Bryce Brown (CLOSED)

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VKAman said:
Wow...stop talking...now. Reuben Droughns, Maurice Morris and Jonathan Stewart absolutely do not compare to Pro Bowlers like Jamal Lewis, Travis Henry and Charlie Garner. Lewis had more rushing yards in his first three seasons than Oregon's leading NFL rusher, Droughns, has in his life.
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I have to disagree. And, in terms of relevance to Bryce Brown, Oregon looks better.

Average yards per carry / reception:

Droughns 3.9 / 8
Morris 4.3 / 7.5
Stewart 4.5 / 5.9
Smith 4.9 / 10.3

Lewis 4.2 / 8.4
Henry 4.1 / 6.7
Garner 4.6 / 8.9

Lewis is a great RB. That's why I mentioned him in my first post. But, what staff responsible for his coaching in college is still with UT?

Jonathan Stewart scored 10 TDs as a rookie in the NFL while splitting carries. He was coached by the same staff that Oregon will retain during Bryce Browns college career.

VKAman said:
In fact, Tennessee has a better record sending players to the NFL than Oregon does at pretty much every position...the two are not even really comparable. This is Oregon we are talking about. Their best NFL player is Ngata, and Haynesworth is MUCH better at the same position.
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What does lineman performance in the NFL have to do with RB preparation?

VKAman said:
Onterrio Smith and his Whizzinator were NOT solid contributors to the NFL. Nowhere close. Never got 600 yards in a season, got effectively kicked out of the NFL (two-year suspension) and...
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Of all the players we've mentioned, Smith had the highest average per rush and per reception. So, I have to disagree.

It's true that his career was cut short by off-field idiocy and that was disappointing. However, what does his off-field decisions have to do with how well his college team prepared him to play in the NFL?

VKAman said:
Oh and then he got arrested.
Fail.
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Again, completely irrelevant to the subject at hand. But, funny coming from a person hailing Travis Henry as a positive example.
 
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If Onterrio were any good, he would have been the featured running back for the Vikings, not one of horse in a big stable. And if off the field issues aren't a problem, then I'll remind you that Travis Henry was leading the league in yardage before he got suspended.
 
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kptvol said:
If Onterrio were any good, he would have been the featured running back for the Vikings, not one of horse in a big stable. And if off the field issues aren't a problem, then I'll remind you that Travis Henry was leading the league in yardage before he got suspended.
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Yes. But he also averaged significantly less per opportunity than did Onterrio Smith.
 
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wheaton4prez said:
Yes. But he also averaged significantly less per opportunity than did Onterrio Smith.
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And? Travis Henry had over 1200 more attempts. The most attempts Smith ever had in a year was 124. If he were decent they'd have fed him the ball more. Travis Henry had more carries than that his rookie season.
 
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wheaton4prez said:
Is insistance an argument?



So, your argument is based on the speculation that Smith might not have done as well had he played more?
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If he was as good as Henry then he would've got the same amount of carries of Henry. Obviously NFL teams liked Henry better.
 
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wheaton4prez said:
Is insistance an argument?



So, your argument is based on the speculation that Smith might not have done as well had he played more?
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If both of them were to make a return to football tomorrow, there would be more interest in Henry than in Smith. Travis Henry is better. I'm not sure why you'd even attempt to argue it. There are probably some stats where Michael Vick exceeds Peyton Manning.
 
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VOLNBAMA said:
If he was as good as Henry then he would've got the same amount of carries of Henry. Obviously NFL teams liked Henry better.
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Do you really believe that?

Teams give a player different amounts of opportunities for all sorts of reasons. Sometimes they split carries simply because they have different backs on the squad with different strengths and weaknesses. So, they put one guy in for certain packages and situations and another in for others.

Anyone who has been watching football for a while knows that it doesn't come down simply to "who they like most." Sometimes, teams have trouble getting their more talented players opportunities. Larry Fitzgerald didn't have a reception until the second half of the super bowl. Do you think that was because they don't really like him as much as Breaston? Sometimes, a team simply doesn't have any other viable options and will give players more opportunities than they would prefer.

Bottom line is that it is a falsehood to claim that Brown would be "wasting his time" at Oregon in preparation for the NFL. Brown has already excelled in the same system Oregon runs and there is already one successful RB in the NFL out of that system.
 
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the fact that you're trying to argue the point that Smith is better than Henry tells me all i need to know.
 
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kptvol said:
If both of them were to make a return to football tomorrow, there would be more interest in Henry than in Smith. Travis Henry is better. I'm not sure why you'd even attempt to argue it. There are probably some stats where Michael Vick exceeds Peyton Manning.
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Right. Like I said, your argument is based on speculation.

BoroVol20 said:
yea there is no way he goes to oregon...#1 ranked players don't go to oregon.
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You mean like this guy: Jonathan Stewart - Football Recruiting
 
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wheaton4prez said:
Credit Gran with Brown, McAlister and Williams. His record, at other schools, sounds competitive at best with Oregon regarding RB's playing in the NFL. But, there is the unknown of how Gran will work in Kiffin's system. The most rushing TD's any RB got under Kiffin in the NFL in a season was 4.
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Kiffin had a decent running back on his 2005 SC offense-who rushed for 15 TD's that year. If Bryce Brown is as good as that former Kiffin player (Reggie Bush), I suspect he'll get his share at UT.

The whole Duck argument you keep pimping is a bit unbecoming. It's just another example of why we needed a change at UT.
 
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VOLNBAMA said:
the fact that you're trying to argue the point that Smith is better than Henry tells me all i need to know.
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The fact that people are trying to make up arguments for me instead of addressing what I've stated tells me that they are worried.

I have not argued that Smith "is better than Henry." In some statistics he is not. In others he is. Whether or not he is better over-all is relatively subjective. He proved to be better at getting yards per opportunity. But, that isn't everything that goes into the value of a player.

Still waiting for someone to explain to me how Henry's performance in the NFL is relevant to Bryce Brown.
 
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Seems like there might have been another SC running back or two during the Kiffin era. Did the Ducks ever slow those guys down enough so you could get a jersey number and check for a name?
 
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utmba93 said:
Kiffin had a decent running back on his 2005 SC offense-who rushed for 15 TD's that year. If Bryce Brown is as good as that former Kiffin player (Reggie Bush), I suspect he'll get his share at UT.
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I think it's a bit of a stretch to call that Kiffin's offense. It wasn't as if USC had been struggling on offense under Chow and then hired Kiffin to change and fix it. I'm pretty sure that their objective in hiring Kiffin was to keep the offense as close to being Chow's offense as possible. It has yet to be seen whether or not Kiffin can put together as productive a unit, given a different mix of talent and staff.

Besides that, I don't think Reggie Bush is a great example of NFL success. Maybe eventually...

utmba93 said:
The whole Duck argument you keep pimping is a bit unbecoming. It's just another example of why we needed a change at UT.
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Now I'm unbecoming? Is this your idea of becoming: Gene Wojciechowski: University of Tennessee coach Lane Kiffin sacks himself - ESPN
 
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