Brittany's Bloviating

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It is total nonsense to say that Kellie’s failures as a head coach were completely based on her NIL funding or lack thereof, as the previous poster stated.

The primary reason that her NIL funding was not as high as she wanted, and would have fallen off even further if she had been retained, is that the many of the people they were asking to spend the money on players were no longer confident in her abilities to coach a talented roster, based on the results they saw her last two seasons.
Right, the other poster's "100% reason" was an overstatement. But, I was responding to a more general point that a lack of NIL funds impeded Kellie's success at HS recruiting. I am pretty sure you know that.

"You can provide the reason that there was less NIL funding than some other schools, and that is situationally accurate, but not having a backup plan or other high-level recruits ready to take those spots and that money is malpractice, and that’s exactly how it was viewed by the Tennessee administration."

Okay, what does this statement mean exactly? Kellie was getting out bid for top HS players and what was her back-up plan supposed to be? The main plan B in those situations is the portal, is it not? And that is what she used to fill gaps. Your alternative scenario in which Kellie should have had other high level recruits "waiting" to take those unfilled spots does not seem feasible in a world where everybody is on the recruiting market.

Okay high level recruit, I want you on stand by (so, don't take your other scholarship/NIL offers) in case these specific HS stars I am pursuing commit to another school. Be on alert for my text messages, cause you are my back-up plan!"
 
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Okay, what does this statement mean exactly? Kellie was getting out bid for top HS players and what was her back-up plan supposed to be? The main plan B in those situations is the portal, is it not? And that is what she used to fill gaps. Your alternative scenario in which Kellie should have had other high level recruits "waiting" to take those unfilled spots does not seem feasible in a world where everybody is on the recruiting market.

Okay high level recruit, I want you on stand by (so, don't take your other scholarship/NIL offers) in case these specific HS stars I am pursuing commit to another school. Be on alert for my text messages, cause you are my back-up plan!"
I mean, that’s exactly how high school recruiting is done. You build relationships with 15-20 players in a class and continue recruiting them through and sometimes beyond committing. Coaches internally know what their hierarchy is, but don’t let players necessarily know that.

What other top-15 programs were shut out in back to back cycles? That’s the issue here. Teams get outbid alll the time and still sign good classes of players. Kellie’s staff effectively threw up their hands and gave up. Their portal classes were just ok beyond Rickea. Jewel was fine, but didn’t achieve at the same level she did at wake. Powell was a role player at best. Avery Strickland? If that’s your backup plan, then yes, it’s malpractice.
 
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Right, the other poster's "100% reason" was an overstatement. But, I was responding to a more general point that a lack of NIL funds impeded Kellie's success at HS recruiting. I am pretty sure you know that.



Okay, what does this statement mean exactly? Kellie was getting out bid for top HS players and what was her back-up plan supposed to be? The main plan B in those situations is the portal, is it not? And that is what she used to fill gaps. Your alternative scenario in which Kellie should have had other high level recruits "waiting" to take those unfilled spots does not seem feasible in a world where everybody is on the recruiting market.

Okay high level recruit, I want you on stand by (so, don't take your other scholarship/NIL offers) in case these specific HS stars I am pursuing commit to another school. Be on alert for my text messages, cause you are my back-up plan!"
Ashlynn Shade unconn Madison Booker where two players some Tennessee where out bid for one of them or different recuit visit Tennessee three times.
Must have like the coaching staff and her players.

If was about getting high school recruits Kathy Weather's would been a good lady Vols wish Kellie Harper would have sign her. But Kellie Harper was trying to go after players who were also being recuit by programs who out spend Tennessee. Kellie was going after players to get back to final four.
 
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Rae Burrell was 43 recuit out highschool according to ESPN.
Kellie Harper and staff develop her to get drafted in WNBA.

Jewel Spear Talaysa Cooper where two players who have WNBA goals. trusting Kellie Harper and staff with WNBA dreams.

Spear I read article about her and father.
In the article she wanted to worked on her defense and overall game been awhile seen I read article.
But she like Kellie Harper

Jackson came to Tennessee and improved as player .

Clearly top talent was willing to sign with Tennessee and Kellie Harper and staff in transfer portal
 
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First Tennessee lady history Kellie Harper
Harper one only three coaches in history to produce four straight first round picks.

2021 Rennie Davis
2022 Rae Burrell
2023 Jordan Horston
2024 Rickey Jackson

Clearly the WNBA Scotts and general managers like the players who were coach by Harper.
 
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Right, the other poster's "100% reason" was an overstatement. But, I was responding to a more general point that a lack of NIL funds impeded Kellie's success at HS recruiting. I am pretty sure you know that.



Okay, what does this statement mean exactly? Kellie was getting out bid for top HS players and what was her back-up plan supposed to be? The main plan B in those situations is the portal, is it not? And that is what she used to fill gaps. Your alternative scenario in which Kellie should have had other high level recruits "waiting" to take those unfilled spots does not seem feasible in a world where everybody is on the recruiting market.

Okay high level recruit, I want you on stand by (so, don't take your other scholarship/NIL offers) in case these specific HS stars I am pursuing commit to another school. Be on alert for my text messages, cause you are my back-up plan!"
Yes madtownvol in the NIL world players are not going to wait to see if Tennessee/ Kellie Harper wanted them as backup plan.
When they probably had offer as good or close toTennessee offer on the table.
And team they chose to sign with say offer now or there moving on.

Recuits like Madison Booker are ones you need NIL support for.
Kellie Harper was after recuits to get back to final four.
Just didn't have backing to get a recuit like Madison Booker
 
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I mean, that’s exactly how high school recruiting is done. You build relationships with 15-20 players in a class and continue recruiting them through and sometimes beyond committing. Coaches internally know what their hierarchy is, but don’t let players necessarily know that.

What other top-15 programs were shut out in back to back cycles? That’s the issue here. Teams get outbid alll the time and still sign good classes of players. Kellie’s staff effectively threw up their hands and gave up. Their portal classes were just ok beyond Rickea. Jewel was fine, but didn’t achieve at the same level she did at wake. Powell was a role player at best. Avery Strickland? If that’s your backup plan, then yes, it’s malpractice.
It is unfortunate that Justine P. did not work out because she was a high HS ranked recruit that Kellie "closed on."

Kellie also signed T. Cooper but was done-in by transfer deadline dates. We can imagine that Coop in a line-up with Spear and Jackson might have made for a formidable Big 3.

I have always enjoyed your posts but you often write as though you "were in the room" when key events happened but whenever pressed on your relationship to the UTAD, you fall back to "No relationship, I am just a humble contract lawyer." So which is it?

If the latter, how do you know the coaches threw their hands up and quit recruiting? You seem to forget, that going too far down the food chain in HS recruiting can lock you into scholarship players that can't actually help and limit your options for the next recruiting cycle, Maybe Kellie and staff felt that Strickland with some NCAA experience and a good cultural fit was a better short term bet than a 157th ranked high school player. [Strickland kind of lit up the LVs this season by the way. ]

Your agenda seems to be authoritatively arguing that under no possible circumstances could Kellie have ever succeeded in HS recruiting and so she just had to go.

However, rumor has it (and perhaps this estimate is incorrect) that CKC has 3X the funds that Kellie had to work with. In a world where $ talks (and I would assume as a contract lawyer you are aware that $ is a poowerful incentive), having considerably more $ is a significant asset in recruiting.

I am not debating that after 5 years and never quite getting over the hump that a coaching change was justified but I am debating absolutist proclamations about what Kellie could or could not have done with CKC's level of resources.

For your likely retort, "hah, the donors weren't gonna give $ to Kellie cause she could not get to the Final 4," fine, but did they give the $ to CKC for the purpose of getting blown out by 30 and 43 points?

If donor confidence is the driving factor in hire or fire decisions, it seems like "Danny White, we have a problem."
 
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I have always had my narrative that the last second loss one point loss to South Carolina at SC "when an ungarded player made the only 3-pt shot in her career." was the final decision to replace Kellie.
 
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Does anyone find it odd that ol Britt has decided to chime in now, this season with her thought & opinions but apparently had no praise or opinion last year when we did well? Lol. I mean unless I missed it? & did she ever air her grievances when kellie or Holly was the coach?
 
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Does anyone find it odd that ol Britt has decided to chime in now, this season with her thought & opinions but apparently had no praise or opinion last year when we did well? Lol. I mean unless I missed it? & did she ever air her grievances when kellie or Holly was the coach?
Generally speaking it’s easier for people to criticize unfamiliar ideas and people when the going gets rough. As former Lady Vols both Holly and Kellie and their systems are like old family friends, whereas Kim is the equivalent of the other woman in a bad marriage. Despite both parties being responsible for the relationship’s collapse, it’s the outsider who gets ALL the anger and blame.
 
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Generally speaking it’s easier for people to criticize unfamiliar ideas and people when the going gets rough. As former Lady Vols both Holly and Kellie and their systems are like old family friends, whereas Kim is the equivalent of the other woman in a bad marriage. Despite both parties being responsible for the relationship’s collapse, it’s the outsider who gets ALL the anger and blame.
that’s a good analogy. It’s just a weird way to be. Her version of grandstanding is certainly something. Seems to me if she was good enough to be a coach, she would be somewhere.
 
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It is unfortunate that Justine P. did not work out because she was a high HS ranked recruit that Kellie "closed on."

Kellie also signed T. Cooper but was done-in by transfer deadline dates. We can imagine that Coop in a line-up with Spear and Jackson might have made for a formidable Big 3.

I have always enjoyed your posts but you often write as though you "were in the room" when key events happened but whenever pressed on your relationship to the UTAD, you fall back to "No relationship, I am just a humble contract lawyer." So which is it?

If the latter, how do you know the coaches threw their hands up and quit recruiting? You seem to forget, that going too far down the food chain in HS recruiting can lock you into scholarship players that can't actually help and limit your options for the next recruiting cycle, Maybe Kellie and staff felt that Strickland with some NCAA experience and a good cultural fit was a better short term bet than a 157th ranked high school player. [Strickland kind of lit up the LVs this season by the way. ]

Your agenda seems to be authoritatively arguing that under no possible circumstances could Kellie have ever succeeded in HS recruiting and so she just had to go.

However, rumor has it (and perhaps this estimate is incorrect) that CKC has 3X the funds that Kellie had to work with. In a world where $ talks (and I would assume as a contract lawyer you are aware that $ is a poowerful incentive), having considerably more $ is a significant asset in recruiting.

I am not debating that after 5 years and never quite getting over the hump that a coaching change was justified but I am debating absolutist proclamations about what Kellie could or could not have done with CKC's level of resources.

For your likely retort, "hah, the donors weren't gonna give $ to Kellie cause she could not get to the Final 4," fine, but did they give the $ to CKC for the purpose of getting blown out by 30 and 43 points?

If donor confidence is the driving factor in hire or fire decisions, it seems like "Danny White, we have a problem."
Pissott was a miss, though I’ll give Shea credit, she finally has her playing well as a senior. Not at the 5-star, commands your defensive gameplan level, but she’s an important piece for Vandy.

Kellie took Cooper knowing that she would have to sit a year, she entered the portal well after the deadline when South Carolina took another player at her position after her family says Staley told them they would not. It certainly didn’t feel right, I believe she was one of only three players in the country that had to sit due to transfer rules and not getting a waiver. She would have made a difference for sure.

I’m certainly not in the room, but I have relationships with a lot of people who are, and I don’t post anything that I’m not confident about being 100% accurate. You’re free to discard it or disagree, that’s fine. I was around the old women’s athletics department every day when I was an undergrad, and was around the football program every day when I was in law school. A lot of people around have changed some have stayed the same. The biggest difference now is, a lot of my contacts at the school and in the NIL world are also asking me for money when we talk, haha.

I don’t think they threw their hands up and stopped recruiting, I do believe that they cast too narrow of a net too early in each cycle because Sam Williams was convinced that they could focus on a very small number of players and get all of them. That followed a period of time where Harper didn’t have relationships with high-level prospects when she got here because Missouri State was not recruiting those players. Then, the Covid restrictions prevented her and her staff from building in person relationships with those players for more than a year. That put her behind, and it’s to her credit that her first three seasons were as good as they were in spite of that. So then she makes the staff changes and brings in Sam as her lead recruiter, which should have changed things, and it did put them in a position with some high school players that they were not previously in on. But even in a pre-NIL situation, they didn’t sign them. They got Pissott, as you mentioned.

I do think it is accurate that she didn’t have as much money to work with the first year that NIL was a thing. They had more to work with on transfers than high school players because that was the area most donors were most comfortable/confident in spending their money on. The last full recruiting cycle she was here for she had every bit of the money available to sign high school players that Kim does presently, and signed nobody. That was when some of the donors lost faith, the results had not been there on the court and the money that they were willing to give went unused.

I don’t have an anti-Kellie agenda, you can go back and look at my posts around her last season, and even after she was let go. I think she’s a good coach, I don’t think she’s a great coach. I think the sweet 16 is realistically her ceiling as a head coach. That’s a really good ceiling at 95% of the programs in women’s college basketball. But that’s not the ceiling here. If she takes Missouri to the Sweet 16 in the next three years, she will coach there for as long as she wants.

Kim took her first team to the Sweet 16, if that’s as far as she ever goes, she won’t be long for the job either. What I’m not willing to do is overreact to a pair of lopsided losses against what I believe are the two best teams in the country on their home courts. You can’t make losses like that habit, but it isn’t a habit at this point. Again, I think an evaluation and postmortem on this season at its conclusion will be beneficial. She changed a lot of things about her system from last year to this year, and I’m not sure all of those changes have worked. They press less, which removes the advantage of wearing teams down late. Where Tennessee was a second half team last year, and part because of that, they are anything but a second half team this year. I think she will adjust that, but it’s not the kind of thing that is easily adjusted in the middle of the season.
 
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. What I’m not willing to do is overreact to a pair of lopsided losses against what I believe are the two best teams in the country on their home courts. You can’t make losses like that habit, but it isn’t a habit at this point
A pair of lopsided losses? How about 5? Including every top 10 team we've played and an unranked team on our homecourt. And back to back national TV humiliations with a 3rd on tap this week. That sounds scarily like a habit.

Remember this team was preseason Top 10 by every media and coach's poll. Underperforming that so egregiously is very Kelliesque. I think that explains the current discourse more than writing it off as "a couple of lopsided losses".
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A pair of lopsided losses? How about 5? Including every top 10 team we've played and an unranked team on our homecourt. And back to back national TV humiliations with a 3rd on tap this week. That sounds scarily like a habit.

Remember this team was preseason Top 10 by every media and coach's poll. Underperforming that so egregiously is very Kelliesque. I think that explains the current discourse more than writing it off as "a couple of lopsided losses".
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The team that was ranked as a consensus top 10 also had another projected first round WNBA pick on it. They've adjusted to life without Ruby, but like any team, they aren't the same as they would have been with their second best player.

You don't throw up hands and make excuses for that and I haven't seen Kim mention Ruby since then, but it's a part of the story.
 
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The team that was ranked as a consensus top 10 also had another projected first round WNBA pick on it. They've adjusted to life without Ruby, but like any team, they aren't the same as they would have been with their second best player.

You don't throw up hands and make excuses for that and I haven't seen Kim mention Ruby since then, but it's a part of the story.
I get that, but still writing it off as 'a couple of lopsided losses' when it's been five lopsided losses, brutally on national TV, seems a blatant understatement of the actual seriousness of the situation.

I do think the Ruby situation was probably the beginning of the locker room problems. I also think Kim did the very tough, but right thing on that
 
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There is more of a market for substacks and newsletters now than there was even 5-10 years ago. I do think she is a little late to the market as many of us have newsletter fatigue. I do you think her insight is noble, but her audience is probably niche.
Yes, sis needs to move it over to X and Facebook, the audience she’s looking for is there!
 
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Yes, sis needs to move it over to X and Facebook, the audience she’s looking for is there!
She's on Facebook and the fans there at some of the message boards I'm on there are living what she has to say
 

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I get that, but still writing it off as 'a couple of lopsided losses' when it's been five lopsided losses, brutally on national TV, seems a blatant understatement of the actual seriousness of the situation.

I do think the Ruby situation was probably the beginning of the locker room problems. I also think Kim did the very tough, but right thing on that
Louisville and UCLA do have some common threads to Connecticut and South Carolina, but you’re also talking about three of the top five teams in the country, and a Louisville team that is a step below that, but not much. I think they grew a lot from UCLA and Louisville and went for a stretch where they didn’t allow bad things to compound. As you would be quick to point out, the schedule got a little easier in between, but they had several gut check moments along the way and past most of those tests, including being forced to overtime by a good Georgia team at home.

I think Louisville and South Carolina are the ones that stick out, because outside of the first five minutes or so, you weren’t really in those games. Both UCLA and Connecticut, the team was toe-to-toe to or in the lead in the third quarter, before falling apart.

I sent Mississippi State apart from the other losses, that was just a poor performance begins to team they had already beaten. They thought they could show up and just win that game because they had before, and it’s Kim pointed out in her comments after the game, the coaches saw that attitude and spent a lot of time trying to get them out of it. I think it was a learning experience that they were going to have to have, as many teams have in the middle of a season.

Again, I would prefer to wait until the end of the season to do a postmortem on the problems of the season and if there were any connections between them, particularly sense the issues they have had this year have been so completely different from the ones from last year.

I think Ruby was a great player and was one of if not the most beloved players in the locker room by her teammates, which is why you saw them stick by her the way they did after the first incident. I agree that Kim had no choice, but I think beyond the competitive consequences of losing one of your best players, dismissing her dealt the team chemistry/leadership a blow that they haven’t fully recovered from. That said, allowing her to stay on the team or come back after a suspension could’ve had a similar effect, where players didn’t believe that the rules really existed anymore since Ruby would have gotten chance after chance. I think Kim was in a no-win situation there. That doesn’t excuse anything or make it OK that they’ve struggled, but it is a reality that she found herself in in part of the story of the season.
 
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She's on Facebook and the fans there at some of the message boards I'm on there are living what she has to say

Wow I didn’t know it was on Facebook too. I just went and read several posts and comments. Then I found this. Just wondering how true Abby’s comment is?
 

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Wow I didn’t know it was on Facebook too. I just went and read several posts and comments. Then I found this. Just wondering how true Abby’s comment is?
She's on Facebook and yes. Abby played with Kellie for 2 of the national championships in the late 90s and got some of the toughest coaching during that time period from Pat. So I feel a lot of her opinions gonna be more personal and emotional based.
 
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She's on Facebook and yes. Abby played with Kellie for 2 of the national championships in the late 90s and got some of the toughest coaching during that time period from Pat. So I feel a lot of her opinions gonna be more personal and emotional based.
I just can't see CKC saying on her first day that they were going to go away from Pat Summitt traditions and used the term "sacrificial lamb" to describe that. But who knows
 
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I really hate what these LVs are saying online. Says more about them than CKC. Just my two cents.

I agree. Say what you will about CKC she has been more than opening to having players like Brittany and Abby come to program, pay a visit and motivate the team. Candace, Draya and Chamique comes back during big games and helps with recruiting. I don't see them around and showing how proud they are being a Lady Vol and trying to help with that but they got a lot of mouth online.

 
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