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Marie was definitely gloating. Rubbing it in by demanding Skyler tell Walter Jr right now.

I don't see how anyone can "like" Walt at this point. He didn't intend for Hank to get killed, but he's responsible. Say what you will about what Jesse's life would have been without Walt, but it's pretty easy to see with Walt in his life, he's had it pretty bad.
 
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TheDeeble said:
Marie was definitely gloating. Rubbing it in by demanding Skyler tell Walter Jr right now.

I don't see how anyone can "like" Walt at this point. He didn't intend for Hank to get killed, but he's responsible. Say what you will about what Jesse's life would have been without Walt, but it's pretty easy to see with Walt in his life, he's had it pretty bad.
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Im not sure why i cant find any pity for jesse...he was a dealer, albeit small-time, before Walt ever took him in. He's done quite a bit bad himself, Gale....he could've gotten out many times, but chose to stay.
 
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Cdywolfe said:
Never said Walt was an ok guy. I see him as a guy whose made a series of horrible choices and, for the first in forever, made a few good ones. If you can't see that (and what Marie did as obvious gloating that they won) then we must be watching different shows. Also I see taking the baby as a knee jerk reaction, one that once he realized what a mistake it was, he corrected.
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What I don't get is why you make Walt's actions seem much more noble than they are, and Marie/Jesse's actions much more sinister than they are. That's the part I'm having trouble with. You seem to be bending over backwards almost to see the good in things Walt did, and putting way more emphasis on "bad" things Marie and Jesse have done. I never said Marie or Jesse are perfect, but I fail to see how what you consider "gloating" is anywhere close to comparison to things Walt has done, and why in the world do hope bad on Marie based on that but you somehow thing Walt is making things right? Your spectrum seems very messed up here.

Was Marie gloating? Perhaps, but it was obvious she was trying to save her sister too. If you can't see she still cares about Skylar and saving what's left of that relationship, then yeah we're obviously watching different shows.

The things you are saying are "good choices" by Walt I don't classify as good as much as I classify as the very basic thing a human being should do. Of course he should try to save Hank's life; of course he should give back the baby he stole; I'm not going to praise a guy for doing something he SHOULD do. And if he's really making good choices as you say, shouldn't he give himself up instead of taking off?
 
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Rockytopman said:
Im not sure why i cant find any pity for jesse...he was a dealer, albeit small-time, before Walt ever took him in. He's done quite a bit bad himself, Gale....he could've gotten out many times, but chose to stay.
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I think why people can pity Jesse is because Walt has manipulated him the entire time. He's used Jesse as a pawn to support his own ambitions.

Plus, Jesse truly does seem to have remorse for what he's done. He understood he was in a shady business, but he despised those that used children. Also, he was the only one that really seemed to take shooting the dirtbike kid hard. He was the one that insisted Todd was wrong for doing.

He's the one character that really seems to have remorse and regret for things that have happened. Gus and Walt saw it as business. That's the distinction I think.
 
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Rockytopman said:
Im not sure why i cant find any pity for jesse...he was a dealer, albeit small-time, before Walt ever took him in. He's done quite a bit bad himself, Gale....he could've gotten out many times, but chose to stay.
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I find some pity because he's the only one showing any remorse for what he's done.
 
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duckman398686 said:
Yes, but that still doesn't change the fact that he had just found out that his dad was a huge drug kingpin and had all the reason in the world to be upset with him. Who pulled the knife on who is irrelevant. In Jr's eyes, Walt is the bad guy now and his 911 call justified him feeling that way.
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Just the simple fact of calling 911 and saying his mom and dad were fighting and one of them grabbed a knife is enough to achieve getting Walt to walk out. There was no reason at all to lie to 911 about what really happened. That was pointless and despicable.

SamRebel35 said:
Once Hank found out Walt was Heisenberg, Walt warned him he better keep his distance. Hank willingly entered a realm he wasn't prepared for. His death is by his own pride. Walt isn't responsible for that. If Hank had not turned Jesse into a snitch, the Nazis wouldn't have treated Hank like collateral damage.
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This!

SamRebel35 said:
Walt is responsible for what he has done, not what others do.
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This!

Cdywolfe said:
I hope Marie gets in hard. The way she showed up at the car wash to gloat and force Skylar to tell Walt Jr. like she had just won some type of game was despicable and I hope she pays.


Also, as far as Hank goes, Walt's hands aren't completely clean but if Hank hadn't gotten obsessed with catching Walt and gone completely vigilante then he (and Gommie) would still be alive.
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This and This!

VolsSportsFan said:
I don't get why anyone is even remotely sympathetic to Walt at all at this point. He is ultimately responsible for this entire mess.
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To each his own.
 
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coug said:
Just the simple fact of calling 911 and saying his mom and dad were fighting and one of them grabbed a knife is enough to achieve getting Walt to walk out. There was no reason at all to lie to 911 about what really happened. That was pointless and despicable.
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I figured they had Walt Jr do that just to solidify his dislike of his dad at this point.

Dad is a drug manufacturer is something he probably would have taken a little while to take in. Uncle Hank is dead? Naw. FU dad.
 
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#1,186
I'm not rooting for Walt so much as I'm rooting for the story. The fact is all the messed up s*** he's done has made the story compelling.

I would have no qualms if he were the only one left standing.
 
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UTCVol said:
I'm not rooting for Walt so much as I'm rooting for the story. The fact is all the messed up s*** he's done has made the story compelling.

I would have no qualms if he were the only one left standing.
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Yeah. I'm with you on this point.
 
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TheDeeble said:
I figured they had Walt Jr do that just to solidify his dislike of his dad at this point.

Dad is a drug manufacturer is something he probably would have taken a little while to take in. Uncle Hank is dead? Naw. FU dad.
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Maybe. Maybe he was confused. Maybe he was just scared. Maybe he was just upset. Maybe he's just an idiot. Regardless, he knew his dad wasn't the one that grabbed the knife. He stabbed Walt in the back right to his face(if you will) when he told the operator it was Walt that came at Skylar.
 
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coug said:
Just the simple fact of calling 911 and saying his mom and dad were fighting and one of them grabbed a knife is enough to achieve getting Walt to walk out. There was no reason at all to lie to 911 about what really happened. That was pointless and despicable.
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Why is it despicable?
 
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coug said:
Maybe. Maybe he was confused. Maybe he was just scared. Maybe he was just upset. Maybe he's just an idiot. Regardless, he knew his dad wasn't the one that grabbed the knife. He stabbed Walt in the back right to his face(if you will) when he told the operator it was Walt that came at Skylar.
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I just find it very odd that this seems to upset you so much; compared to what Walt has done, this is doesn't even register, even if you take the position Walt Jr. was in the wrong.
 
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UTCVol said:
I'm not rooting for Walt so much as I'm rooting for the story. The fact is all the messed up s*** he's done has made the story compelling.

I would have no qualms if he were the only one left standing.
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I don't disagree, but I find it odd many seem to be overly generous on how they view Walt and overly critical on everyone else.

I don't mind Walt being the last one standing because ultimately he still loses because he's lost the only things that were supposedly important to him.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
I just find it very odd that this seems to upset you so much; compared to what Walt has done, this is doesn't even register, even if you take the position Walt Jr. was in the wrong.
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Maybe I didn't expect some crap like that to come from the fragile, innocent Walt Jr.. It didn't sit right with me. Maybe just like Jesse turning on Walt still doesn't sit right with me. It's completely out of character but it is what it is and I can't do anything about it.
 
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coug said:
Because it's not true and by lying to 911 his own son just turned on him in an epic way.
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The only part he "lied" about is Walt grabbing the knife first; the rest is quite possibly truth as Walt Jr. sees it. He saw his meth producing father (again that he just found out about) getting irate and fighting with his mother, there's no doubt he probably saw his father as a threat.

I think you're being extremely overly critical on him.
 
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If this were real life I would absolutely have a totally different perspective on it than what I do. I think you people are forgetting two simple facts though: it's fiction and Walter is the protagonist. We, as the viewer, have been right there with Walt for the last 6 years experiencing everything with him. I don't think it's at all strange to, even with all his faults, continue to root for him til the end.
 
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