Bray - Murray - Wilson

[Indianavol4eva]

Don't sleep on AJ McCarron and Z. Mettenberger. Those guys could be just as good if not better next year. Mett will turn some heads next year.

it's impossible to judge AJ McCarron because of the talent that surrounds him, but he looked damn good in the NC game.

 

[UGA insider]

it's impossible to judge AJ McCarron because of the talent that surrounds him, but he looked damn good in the NC game.

Very true on AJ but I was very impressed with his performance in the NC Game. I also noticed that he matured as a QB as the season went on. It will be very interesting to see how he performs next season without Richardson but he will still have a stout O-line that will help him tremendously.

 

[Negateer]

at the end of the day whether you like it or not people are gonna judge Bray on whether he is WINNING

Tards like you might. But most (real) Vols fans realize what a talent we've got right now and are thankful for it, instead of trying to tear him down at every turn.

"""3 of the 4 games you mentioned were ultimately losses."""

So? We sucked last year. That's no secret.

"""Putting potential to use is putting up good numbers, protecting the ball, and WINNING,"""

No, putting potential to use is, by definition, playing as well as you're capable of playing. It has nothing to do with winning.

Zero.

Here, this might help:

Potential | Define Potential at Dictionary.com

Mmmkay?

 

[Indianavol4eva]

Very true on AJ but I was very impressed with his performance in the NC Game. I also noticed that he matured as a QB as the season went on. It will be very interesting to see how he performs next season without Richardson but he will still have a stout O-line that will help him tremendously.

He does what you need your QB to do when your team is that good. Protect the ball and get it into the hands of your playmakers.

 

[Negateer]

He couldn't hold Bray's jock.

Put them on identical teams and Bray puts up twice the numbers.

He only threw for 650 more yards than Bray, with Bray out for 5 games.

And he did that on the NC team. Bray did it on one of the worst teams in the conference.

No comparison.

 

[pjhayes]

Alright Mr. Mackey, Stats are not the only thing to base potential off from

 

[Oskie Volum]

Bray reminds me of another UT QB from years past. I forget his name, Peyton something. I don't know if his work ethic is as strong. Then again, whose is?

Man if bray only had half the work ethic in the film room, etc as manning this thread would be unnecessary...

 

[pjhayes]

I love Bray i love having him as our qb and do i think he will reach his full potential with the coaching staff we have in place....however like i said before ppl arent giving Bray the love because he hasn't won it may not be related to potential in some dictionary...but as far as the judgement of people it has everything to do with whether they will label him as having the most potential

 

[Negateer]

"""Man if bray only had half the work ethic in the film room, etc as manning this thread would be unnecessary..."""

And what kind of film room ethic does he have?

Link?

I love Bray

Uh huh.

however like i said before ppl arent giving Bray the love because he hasn't won it may not be related to potential in some dictionary...

No, what YOU said was that Bray wasn't yet putting his potential to use.

"""Bray has the most potential and the highest ceiling easily. Whether he ever puts it to use while at UT still has yet to be seen.

"still to be seen"

In other words, he hasn't put it to use yet.

So unless you're going to argue with the dictionary again, it might be best if you let this one lie.

 

[pjhayes]

And im not saying all of this...IMO this is what most people look at and see, if he wins he has more potential in peoples eyes than Murray or Wilson, but he hasn't yet, which should change next year or ill go bat sh*t crazy

 

[Indianavol4eva]

Tards like you might. But most (real) Vols fans realize what a talent we've got right now and are thankful for it, instead of trying to tear him down at every turn.

"""3 of the 4 games you mentioned were ultimately losses."""

So? We sucked last year. That's no secret.

"""Putting potential to use is putting up good numbers, protecting the ball, and WINNING,"""

No, putting potential to use is, by definition, playing as well as you're capable of playing. It has nothing to do with winning.

Zero.

Here, this might help:

Potential | Define Potential at Dictionary.com

Mmmkay?

So I'm not a real Vol fan because i am a realist? As i said before, of the three QBs mentioned in this thread, Tyler Bray has the highest ceiling and most potential of any of them. That said, his lack of numbers against good teams prevents him from being the best of the three. This isn't a pissing contest against other schools, it's an unbiased evaluation of the three QBs. My evaluation was that Bray has all the tools to be the best of the three by a long shot but has yet to put them to use. If you honestly think he has, then maybe you are just one of those guys who is okay with losing seasons and mediocre performances.

If you think Bray has played as well as he is capable of playing, you are just wrong. You act like as fans we are supposed to pump sunshine out of players' asses and tell them everything is going to be all right. NFL scouts aren't biased, and they see that Bray hasn't played against many good teams and that when he has, his numbers have been pedestrian.

Lastly, if you think winning has nothing to do with this conversation, you obviously aren't intelligent enough to be worth my time.

 

[AxisVol]

[Jordan Rogers, you guys.]

 

[Negateer]

So I'm not a real Vol fan because i am a realist?

A realist? Here is your quote:

"""Putting potential to use is putting up good numbers, protecting the ball, and WINNING"""

You are simply wrong. "Putting potential to use" is simply doing the best to your capabilities. That's it. You can win, you can lose. You can break a leg, or win a world championship.

Put that link to use and look up 'potential' in the dictionary. Who knows, a little knowledge might even help you reach your potential.

to add to my previous statement, Negateer, after reading your posts again on the last page, i have come to the conclusion that you are just a douche.

And I, that you're a bandwagon fan with next to zero knowledge of the game.

 

[Oskie Volum]

Negateer....first of all anyone with half the work ethic as manning would be way ahead of the game. 2nd...brays extracurricular activities are well known. Hope that there are no links to it cause that would not be a good thing.

Please understand that we all want the Vols to be the best. We all believe bray has great potential, but most of us aren't going to tag him the best until he shows us that he can do what it takes to be considered a great TN QB.....WINNING!!!

 

[pjhayes]

at the end of the day lets just hope that we are both right.....he has great potential hopefully he exercises that potential and helps the team get W's....everyone realizes hes reached his potential because hes dominating teams with his arm and game management and winning....which will mean that Bray will get all the love in the world and people will realize that he is better than Wilson and Murray...BOOM Heisman finalist thank you have a good day.

 

[Indianavol4eva]

A realist? Here is your quote:

"""Putting potential to use is putting up good numbers, protecting the ball, and WINNING"""

You are simply wrong. "Putting potential to use" is simply doing the best to your capabilities. That's it. You can win, you can lose. You can break a leg, or win a world championship.

Put that link to use and look up 'potential' in the dictionary. It might help you reach your potential.




And I, that you're a bandwaggon fan with next to zero knowledge of the game.

we aren't talking about a ****ing dictionary you imbecile. we are talking about football. If you have watched, read, or heard any type of analysis on Tyler Bray, it is that he has the potential to be a great QB. He has great size, can make all the throws, and has above average accuracy. He has all the tools to be a great QB on this level and, with the right coaching, to be dominant on the next level as well. HOWEVER, he has NOT done enough to be considered a great QB on this level, and he is NO WHERE NEAR to the point of being able to dominate on the next level. He has not lived up to the the standard that his prototypical size and arm have set for him. he has not reached his potential.

As for winning, why was it so important that Manning win a Super Bowl to be considered "one of the best?" Why does Lebron catch so much **** for not having a ring? Why is Kobe considered in the conversation of "the greatest of all time?" Why do many people leave Dan Marino out of the conversation for the "best of all time QBs?" Winning is a big part of being the best and living up to potential. There are some instances where the immense talent outweighs the situation, such as Barry Sanders and Dan Marino, but these situations are rare and Bray is not one of them.

As for me, i have been a Vol fan since the age of 4 and played the game for 14 years. Good try, though.

 

[Cindylew]

Negateer....first of all anyone with half the work ethic as manning would be way ahead of the game. 2nd...brays extracurricular activities are well known. Hope that there are no links to it cause that would not be a good thing.

Please understand that we all want the Vols to be the best. We all believe bray has great potential, but most of us aren't going to tag him the best until he shows us that he can do what it takes to be considered a great TN QB.....WINNING!!!

Good points, Oskie Volum! Nagateer as a VOL fan, I do love your passion!!!! The VOLs are on the way back! I am looking forward to signing day and the VOLs vs NC game!!! Ready to ROCK the SEC!!!:loco:

 

[ericberry4heisman]

Bray > Murray > Wilson

 

[Oskie Volum]

Good points, Oskie Volum! Nagateer as a VOL fan, I do love your passion!!!! The VOLs are on the way back! I am looking forward to signing day and the VOLs vs NC game!!! Ready to ROCK the SEC!!!:loco:

Thank you ma'am! . We can/will rock more than the SEC if it can all just come together just the way we should. The tools are there just need to all finally come together. Can't wait cause it's gonna happen!!!

 

[Negateer]

we aren't talking about a ****ing dictionary you imbecile.

You realize that 'potential' has a definition, right?

You need to look it up, because obviously you don't know what it means, Cletus.

 

[kidbourbon]

Of the 3 SEC QBs- which has the brightest future ? Also who goes highest in the draft ?

Bray goes highest in the draft.

Not sure what you mean by brightest future. Near future? NFL future?

 

[kidbourbon]

Bray reminds me of another UT QB from years past. I forget his name, Peyton something. I don't know if his work ethic is as strong. Then again, whose is?

Why does Bray remind you of Peyton?

He doesn't remind me at all of Peyton. He plays the game in a totally different way. Much more Favre than Peyton.

 

[rideofthevolkyrie]

IMO, Wilson will make it in the NFL, Murray has a good shot, and Bray will wash out.... completely. I just dont think he has the right mentality to make it at the next level.

 

[Negateer]

IMO, Wilson will make it in the NFL, Murray has a good shot, and Bray will wash out.... completely. I just dont think he has the right mentality to make it at the next level.

Well, he is expected by many experts to go very high if he goes pro after the season.

I guess you're another of the 'A QB should be ranked by the talent level of his teammates" school of thought. In the real world, QB's are rated based on THEIR talent level.

 

[GmanTN]

It is really hard to judge Bray at this point of his career, he hasn't had a running game so if his wr's are covered he either has to force it in or throw it away. A good running game would expose his ability to read defenses and call the right plays at the line.