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I have no problem with the government telling me I must slow down to 15 mph when driving through a school zone. I actually want a government that would insure that is the case.
 
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luthervol said:
Abortion is one remedy, albeit the worst, to unwanted pregnancies.
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Abortion is a reaction to an event that happened before at conception. The two parties involved at conception are the ones that had the necessary means to prevent it and need to deal with the consequences. Likewise, well before we start passing anymore legislation on guns, we already have the necessary means in place that failed... things that you all on the left have fought for over the last 50 years.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Your solution uses govt to infringe on the rights of others instead of addressing the actual individuals that are the problem.
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luthervol said:
I have no problem with the government telling me I must slow down to 15 mph when driving through a school zone. I actually want a government that would insure that is the case.
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luthervol said:
The illegality of drugs caused me to use illegal drugs less than I otherwise would have.

I choose not to use illegal drugs now because I know the risks, understand the dangers, and avoided complete addiction when I was younger because they were illegal.

Some people are wise enough to make the right choice regardless of legality, but many are not. Of the ones who are not, many do it anyway and many avoid it because of the illegality.

If there were no speed limits and people were left to use their best judgment, many would still drive safely, but many others would choose to speed (especially the young and the stupid).

All the same applies to guns.
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I drive almost every day through a construction zone with a 45mph speed limit. Sometimes I feel like I’m going backwards because I get passed so much. It’s almost like people know what the law is, and ignore it. Weird.
 
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luthervol said:
I have no problem with the government telling me I must slow down to 15 mph when driving through a school zone. I actually want a government that would insure that is the case.
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An entity telling you to do something influences your moral compass?

Speed limits, abortion and firearms are as far apart as the east is from the west.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Again, that would be a concern if there hasn't been a 50 year track record of liberals moving the goal posts. Now that the 2A people have dug themselves in, you want to call them unreasonable when in reality, they have given up a bunch of ground over the last few decades.
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I said earlier, liberals have said that gun owners are unwilling to compromise. Compromise suggest each party giving something up. When have the gun grabbers ever given something up?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Your "Goober" scenario is an outright myth/bedtime story. The only ones doing large scale gun purchases and handing them over to criminals is the govt or someone with govt connections. Most "Goobers" I know don't cull many guns they buy.

You need to show some data that suggests that criminals are getting their weapons 2nd and 3rd hand from Goober.
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Where 50,000 Guns Recovered in Chicago Came From - Graphic - NYTimes.com

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...long-time-about-crime/?utm_term=.65d3037d0c55

They found that in approximately 8 out of 10 cases, the perpetrator was not a lawful gun owner but rather in illegal possession of a weapon that belonged to someone else. The researchers were primarily interested in how these guns made their way from a legal purchase — at a firearm dealer or via a private sale — to the scene of the crime.

"All guns start out as legal guns," Fabio said in an interview. But a "huge number of them" move into illegal hands. "As a public-health person, I'd like to be able to figure out that path," he added.

More than 30 percent of the guns that ended up at crime scenes had been stolen, according to Fabio's research. But more than 40 percent of those stolen guns weren't reported by the owners as stolen until after police contacted them when the gun was used in a crime.

One of the more concerning findings in the study was that for the majority of guns recovered (62 percent), "the place where the owner lost possession of the firearm was unknown."


If that doesn't raise eyebrows ........
 
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Let me see if I can explain Luther’s stance.

You see due to lenient gun laws, meth dealers exploit metal health laws, causing a collateral impact on graduation rates, leading to a rise in abortion cases. Therefore we gotta take all your damn rights *****es.

God I am having fun watching somebody else engage him in debate.
 

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InVOLuntary said:
I said earlier, liberals have said that gun owners are unwilling to compromise. Compromise suggest each party giving something up. When have the gun grabbers ever given something up?
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Perfect statement.

Gun control advocates won’t compromise! They won’t give us what we want!
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Let me see if I can explain Luther’s stance.

You see due to lenient gun laws, meth dealers exploit metal health laws, causing a collateral impact on graduation rates, leading to a rise in abortion cases. Therefore we gotta take all your damn rights *****es.

God I am having fun watching somebody else engage him in debate.
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Tag teaming is a solid strategy. :good!:
 
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luthervol said:
Where 50,000 Guns Recovered in Chicago Came From - Graphic - NYTimes.com

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...long-time-about-crime/?utm_term=.65d3037d0c55

They found that in approximately 8 out of 10 cases, the perpetrator was not a lawful gun owner but rather in illegal possession of a weapon that belonged to someone else. The researchers were primarily interested in how these guns made their way from a legal purchase — at a firearm dealer or via a private sale — to the scene of the crime.

"All guns start out as legal guns," Fabio said in an interview. But a "huge number of them" move into illegal hands. "As a public-health person, I'd like to be able to figure out that path," he added.

More than 30 percent of the guns that ended up at crime scenes had been stolen, according to Fabio's research. But more than 40 percent of those stolen guns weren't reported by the owners as stolen until after police contacted them when the gun was used in a crime.

One of the more concerning findings in the study was that for the majority of guns recovered (62 percent), "the place where the owner lost possession of the firearm was unknown."


If that doesn't raise eyebrows ........
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You post mentioned stolen guns... not "Goober".
 
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luthervol said:
Where 50,000 Guns Recovered in Chicago Came From - Graphic - NYTimes.com

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...long-time-about-crime/?utm_term=.65d3037d0c55

They found that in approximately 8 out of 10 cases, the perpetrator was not a lawful gun owner but rather in illegal possession of a weapon that belonged to someone else. The researchers were primarily interested in how these guns made their way from a legal purchase — at a firearm dealer or via a private sale — to the scene of the crime.

"All guns start out as legal guns," Fabio said in an interview. But a "huge number of them" move into illegal hands. "As a public-health person, I'd like to be able to figure out that path," he added.

More than 30 percent of the guns that ended up at crime scenes had been stolen, according to Fabio's research. But more than 40 percent of those stolen guns weren't reported by the owners as stolen until after police contacted them when the gun was used in a crime.

One of the more concerning findings in the study was that for the majority of guns recovered (62 percent), "the place where the owner lost possession of the firearm was unknown."


If that doesn't raise eyebrows ........
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And I don't know where you grabbed the quote above that mentions 30% of guns being stolen, but one of the links in your own post had a graph that showed that 4/5 guns recovered belonged to someone else in one instance.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...long-time-about-crime/?utm_term=.2d106e100c6d
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You post mentioned stolen guns... not "Goober".
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I think it said 30% were stolen but many of those was only said to be stolen once law enforcement confronted the original owner about having a gun registered to him that was used in a crime. That's when Goober says "oh yea, I forgot, that was stolen."

It goes on to say that in 62% of the cases, it's unknown how the gun got from the original legal purchaser to the criminal. Most of Goober's guns would fall into this category.
 
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evillawyer said:
I don't think I've mentioned Hillary. I was fine with her. Not my favorite (I voted for Sanders in the primary), but she was qualified and competent. Dems made lots of mistakes in the campaign, that's for sure.
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She was neither. Same goes for Sanders and Trump too for that matter.
 
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luthervol said:
The illegality of drugs caused me to use illegal drugs less than I otherwise would have.

I choose not to use illegal drugs now because I know the risks, understand the dangers, and avoided complete addiction when I was younger because they were illegal.

Some people are wise enough to make the right choice regardless of legality, but many are not. Of the ones who are not, many do it anyway and many avoid it because of the illegality.

If there were no speed limits and people were left to use their best judgment, many would still drive safely, but many others would choose to speed (especially the young and the stupid).

All the same applies to guns.
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You do see the difference between the drug and gun arguments don't you?
 
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luthervol said:
Where 50,000 Guns Recovered in Chicago Came From - Graphic - NYTimes.com

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...long-time-about-crime/?utm_term=.65d3037d0c55

They found that in approximately 8 out of 10 cases, the perpetrator was not a lawful gun owner but rather in illegal possession of a weapon that belonged to someone else. The researchers were primarily interested in how these guns made their way from a legal purchase — at a firearm dealer or via a private sale — to the scene of the crime.

"All guns start out as legal guns," Fabio said in an interview. But a "huge number of them" move into illegal hands. "As a public-health person, I'd like to be able to figure out that path," he added.

More than 30 percent of the guns that ended up at crime scenes had been stolen, according to Fabio's research. But more than 40 percent of those stolen guns weren't reported by the owners as stolen until after police contacted them when the gun was used in a crime.

One of the more concerning findings in the study was that for the majority of guns recovered (62 percent), "the place where the owner lost possession of the firearm was unknown."


If that doesn't raise eyebrows ........
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How many were AR-15's?
 
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luthervol said:
Where 50,000 Guns Recovered in Chicago Came From - Graphic - NYTimes.com

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...long-time-about-crime/?utm_term=.65d3037d0c55

They found that in approximately 8 out of 10 cases, the perpetrator was not a lawful gun owner but rather in illegal possession of a weapon that belonged to someone else. The researchers were primarily interested in how these guns made their way from a legal purchase — at a firearm dealer or via a private sale — to the scene of the crime.

"All guns start out as legal guns," Fabio said in an interview. But a "huge number of them" move into illegal hands. "As a public-health person, I'd like to be able to figure out that path," he added.

More than 30 percent of the guns that ended up at crime scenes had been stolen, according to Fabio's research. But more than 40 percent of those stolen guns weren't reported by the owners as stolen until after police contacted them when the gun was used in a crime.

One of the more concerning findings in the study was that for the majority of guns recovered (62 percent), "the place where the owner lost possession of the firearm was unknown."


If that doesn't raise eyebrows ........
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I would say a lot of guns that are stolen are done by relatives, and most likely to feed a drug habit. So if you're a meth head and your grandpa has a shotgun in the closet he hasn't used in 20 years, he's not going to notice it went missing.

As for declaring a stolen gun stolen, what does that do exactly? MAYBE it goes to pawn shop, but most likely the thief is going to keep it out of the system. So even if reported it's only going to be of consequence if the cops find it somehow. And if you pitch a stolen gun in a lake after committing a crime, the fact that it's reported stolen doesn't do anything.

And honestly I wouldn't put much faith into that system. You don't report it to the ATF, you fill out a form at your local PD. In theory they enter that in some database, but as we've seen the government isn't too hot on all that record keeping stuff.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
I would say a lot of guns that are stolen are done by relatives, and most likely to feed a drug habit. So if you're a meth head and your grandpa has a shotgun in the closet he hasn't used in 20 years, he's not going to notice it went missing.

As for declaring a stolen gun stolen, what does that do exactly? MAYBE it goes to pawn shop, but most likely the thief is going to keep it out of the system. So even if reported it's only going to be of consequence if the cops find it somehow. And if you pitch a stolen gun in a lake after committing a crime, the fact that it's reported stolen doesn't do anything.

And honestly I wouldn't put much faith into that system. You don't report it to the ATF, you fill out a form at your local PD. In theory they enter that in some database, but as we've seen the government isn't too hot on all that record keeping stuff.
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Seems like there are areas for improvement. Make it a legal requirement to report stolen guns. What's the harm in that? And it could actually help close some loopholes being used to get guns into the black market.
 
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