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[champyvol]

Most of what I've seen is how about waiting until the end of the 3rd year. Especially when our football team has been improving.

I have no words for trashcan fans like you. The bandwagon will be around back to pick you up when you're ready.

hope you are around to admit when you are wrong, but have a feeling i'll never see it. by the way champ, wouldn't call any vol fan a trashcan fan. not even you. just disagree on which way the program is heading. I believe I was called this to when dooley was hired. seems like I was right on that one to. would love to be wrong about jones, but I wouldn't bet on it.

 

[emzeeee]

hope you are around to admit when you are wrong, but have a feeling i'll never see it. by the way champ, wouldn't call any vol fan a trashcan fan. not even you. just disagree on which way the program is heading. I believe I was called this to when dooley was hired. seems like I was right on that one to. would love to be wrong about jones, but I wouldn't bet on it.

I'll gladly admit that Butch is the wrong guy if this year goes wrong.

I always try to give coaches 3 years before I start calling for their heads.

 

[champyvol]

I'll gladly admit that Butch is the wrong guy if this year goes wrong.

I always try to give coaches 3 years before I start calling for their heads.

I gave butch longer than most because of his recruiting. I really don't think it is going to matter how many years you give him, it is not going to make him a better coach. I really want to believe in butch, but on Saturday's watching the play calling most fans can see there is something wrong. conservative play calling is not going to win many big games. he had a chance to go get a young innovative OC. instead he hires over the hill debord. I've just lost faith in him no matter how hard I want to believe.

 

[Dragon18]

I'll gladly admit that Butch is the wrong guy if this year goes wrong.

I always try to give coaches 3 years before I start calling for their heads.

If your limit is 3 years then you would have bailed on Coach K at Duke. I think it is more prudent to gauge movement in the program. I think I'm a bit in attack mode today because I'm a bit fed up at the continual b****ing about the coaches and the posts about Butch not being the guy when the program is taking huge strides year over year. This same team whipped us last year. It's really disappointing to lose a game like this but there are many coachable moments that the players can learn from. There are no stagnant points and teams either have a positive or negative trajectory. Our trajectory is still VERY positive and until it turns we should support the coaches.

 

[volgrad500]

We gained 8 yards of offense in the entire 4th quarter.
Eight.
If you added up the sum total of our 4th quarter offense it would not equal one first down.
There is plenty of blame to go around.

 

[Vol'n'beers]

I gave butch longer than most because of his recruiting. I really don't think it is going to matter how many years you give him, it is not going to make him a better coach. I really want to believe in butch, but on Saturday's watching the play calling most fans can see there is something wrong. conservative play calling is not going to win many big games. he had a chance to go get a young innovative OC. instead he hires over the hill debord. I've just lost faith in him no matter how hard I want to believe.

1) Not true. I'd bet most still support Coach Jones. Not on VN, of course, but overall Vols fans.

2) I'm sure, with your vast football knowledge, you know exactly who he could have hired that could have come in and implemented a fresh, hip offense on short time.

I'm not a fan of conservative playcalling, but I also understand that dropped passes, missed field goals, DBs falling on their cans, injured starters, and a very high quality opponent are probably more likely the cause of our woes.

 

[Dragon18]

hope you are around to admit when you are wrong, but have a feeling i'll never see it. by the way champ, wouldn't call any vol fan a trashcan fan. not even you. just disagree on which way the program is heading. I believe I was called this to when dooley was hired. seems like I was right on that one to. would love to be wrong about jones, but I wouldn't bet on it.

So is it your opinion then that the program is worse today than when Butch took over? Is it worse than the same time last year? If you answer yes to either of those you are either not watching or not being honest with yourself. I guess you could just be trying to rile the fan base too but you seem sincere in your post.

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

Have some of you guys even watched the game? I've really held out and let the Chattavols, neocons et al rant since last Saturday night but enough is enough. As much as you guys want to lay this at Butch's feet, in reality it came down to about 8 instances of lack of execution by the players. Missed catches, penalties, missed tackles and missed blocking assignments in the second half. It's not about adjustment at the half. We came out on the first drive and marched it down the field. What adjustments should have been made? As much as some of you guys want to think that football is all about the coach, it's not. It's a players game and players MUST execute. Coaches build game plans and coach players to be ready to compete against the team in font of them. 90% of this work happens prior to kickoff. Our boys were obviously ready for this game. You can disagree on not going for it on the goal line (I probably would have) but I also get wanting to be first on the board.

You guys really need to just let it go. Butch is a really good coach. The team plays with tremendous focus and intensity. To compare him with Zook and Dooley is just ridiculous. I'm as disappointed as any of you guys but I also understand that we are in a building process.

If they are so focused then why is every loss preceded with a weeks worth of discussion about the lack of execution?

in reality it came down to about 8 instances of lack of execution by the players. Missed catches, penalties, missed tackles and missed blocking assignments in the second half

Doesn't sound like a particularly focused team IMO.

 

[emzeeee]

If your limit is 3 years then you would have bailed on Coach K at Duke. I think it is more prudent to gauge movement in the program. I think I'm a bit in attack mode today because I'm a bit fed up at the continual b****ing about the coaches and the posts about Butch not being the guy when the program is taking huge strides year over year. This same team whipped us last year. It's really disappointing to lose a game like this but there are many coachable moments that the players can learn from. There are no stagnant points and teams either have a positive or negative trajectory. Our trajectory is still VERY positive and until it turns we should support the coaches.

Nah, I don't immediately want someone fired after three. I just mean that I don't put too much stock into what goes on until then (barring catastrophic collapse), so long as you can see the improvement. Obviously, you can still be critical, but it's far too early to make that judgment (to me).

Especially knowing the hole UT was crawling out of.

 

[emzeeee]

I gave butch longer than most because of his recruiting. I really don't think it is going to matter how many years you give him, it is not going to make him a better coach. I really want to believe in butch, but on Saturday's watching the play calling most fans can see there is something wrong. conservative play calling is not going to win many big games. he had a chance to go get a young innovative OC. instead he hires over the hill debord. I've just lost faith in him no matter how hard I want to believe.

Longer than most? He's completed two whole seasons. One of which we finished 7-6 (first winning record in years) and a bowl win (first in years). Puhlease. Is your usual release period 30 days, or what? You're worse than a Netflix trial.

 

[Dragon18]

We gained 8 yards of offense in the entire 4th quarter.
Eight.
If you added up the sum total of our 4th quarter offense it would not equal one first down.
There is plenty of blame to go around.

This is in fact the major issue. I believe we only had six plays the entire quarter. We allowed OU to extend drives with missed tackles 3rd down penalties that extended drives for OU and missed blocking assignments on offense. I will stand by my assertion that we really fell flat on execution and I'm just not going to go all in on the notion that the coaches lost us this game. Blaming the coaches is just the easy out for fans that really don't get it and need something to vent about.

 

[Dragon18]

Nah, I don't immediately want someone fired after three. I just mean that I don't put too much stock into what goes on until then (barring catastrophic collapse), so long as you can see the improvement. Obviously, you can still be critical, but it's far too early to make that judgment (to me).

Especially knowing the hole UT was crawling out of.

I didn't get the sense you were bailing. Thanks for clarification though.

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

What I fail to comprehend huh? My friend I doubt you've ever been a part of a football program to make the statement above. I promise you I've played at higher levels than you unless you played in the NFL. Butch's game plan was solid and if you go back and watch the game you will see where the players made huge mistakes at really crucial moments that either stalled our drives or extended OU's drives. Players know it's their responsibility to execute. So before you make such definitive statements you should probably check yourself.

Edit: By saying the players failed to execute I'm in no way trashing them either. Mistakes get made in every game and sometimes you get beat on your assignments. We just made some really big mistakes at very bad times. GBMFO!

Given your vast collegiate experience, was there ever any time during Saturday's game where you felt the offense could call a slant pass in the area being vacated by the run blitzing LB's or a true play action pass taking advantage of the Sooner's aggressive nature in crashing their LB's and safeties?

 

[Dragon18]

If they are so focused then why is every loss preceded with a weeks worth of discussion about the lack of execution?

in reality it came down to about 8 instances of lack of execution by the players. Missed catches, penalties, missed tackles and missed blocking assignments in the second half

Doesn't sound like a particularly focused team IMO.

You're kidding right. This team came out very focused and played great for nearly three quarters. They made mistakes at very unfortunate moments in the fourth quarter but this team is much better than anything we've seen in ten years.

Btw we are saying the same thing about execution issues late.

 

[Dragon18]

Given your vast collegiate experience, was there ever any time during Saturday's game where you felt the offense could call a slant pass in the area being vacated by the run blitzing LB's or a true play action pass taking advantage of the Sooner's aggressive nature in crashing their LB's and safeties?

Short answer is probably yes. Keep in mind though that we were up by 14 going into the fourth quarter and we only had the ball for six plays in that quarter. We also don't know what plays were called or what Dobbs saw. It's an imperfect game and we had a perfect storm of errors and execution issues in the fourth quarter.

Edit: to clarify it is not bad coaching to try and pound the rock late in the game with a lead. You just expect to get the ball for more than six plays and you surely expect at least one first down. It was a bad quarter of football.

 

[LexVolGBO]

Didn't need another reason for wanting the Vols to beat Florida, but hey: at least that would make this kind of stuff go away. Or at least slow down. Hopefully. Maybe. Please?

 

[WilliamDuVOL]

Didn't need another reason for wanting the Vols to beat Florida, but hey: at least that would make this kind of stuff go away. Or at least slow down. Hopefully. Maybe. Please?

Highly unlikely. If we beat them I bet someone on here would complain about the margin of victory not being high enough. I can see it now. "Jones shouldn't have taken his foot off the gas!!! He's too conservative!!!" Of course, the post likely won't have correct spelling, punctuation, or grammar.

 

[calban]

Have some of you guys even watched the game? I've really held out and let the Chattavols, neocons et al rant since last Saturday night but enough is enough. As much as you guys want to lay this at Butch's feet, in reality it came down to about 8 instances of lack of execution by the players. Missed catches, penalties, missed tackles and missed blocking assignments in the second half. It's not about adjustment at the half. We came out on the first drive and marched it down the field. What adjustments should have been made? As much as some of you guys want to think that football is all about the coach, it's not. It's a players game and players MUST execute. Coaches build game plans and coach players to be ready to compete against the team in font of them. 90% of this work happens prior to kickoff. Our boys were obviously ready for this game. You can disagree on not going for it on the goal line (I probably would have) but I also get wanting to be first on the board.

You guys really need to just let it go. Butch is a really good coach. The team plays with tremendous focus and intensity. To compare him with Zook and Dooley is just ridiculous. I'm as disappointed as any of you guys but I also understand that we are in a building process.

Honest question. Who is to blame if a team doesn't execute for an entire half?
Wouldn't that fall under game preparation?

 

[checkerboards09]

Highly unlikely. If we beat them I bet someone on here would complain about the margin of victory not being high enough. I can see it now. "Jones shouldn't have taken his foot off the gas!!! He's too conservative!!!" Of course, the post likely won't have correct spelling, punctuation, or grammar.

I really don't think anyone would care about the margin of victory, especially since this is a decade long streak. A one point victory would be enough, imo.

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

Short answer is probably yes. Keep in mind though that we were up by 14 going into the fourth quarter and we only had the ball for six plays in that quarter. We also don't know what plays were called or what Dobbs saw. It's an imperfect game and we had a perfect storm of errors and execution issues in the fourth quarter.

Edit: to clarify it is not bad coaching to try and pound the rock late in the game with a lead. You just expect to get the ball for more than six plays and you surely expect at least one first down. It was a bad quarter of football.

Pounding the rock and playing the clock is well and good with a 4th quarter lead and a team dominating on defense. I am always fine with a coach playing the percentages but that isn't what they did.

Snapping with 20 seconds left every play and not giving that defense a chance to rest, especially with injuries and suspension thinning the ranks, that's just bull headed by the coaches IMO.

Which goes back to my question about trying some passes, if they are insisting on playing their hurry up offense, they could at least have tried to take advantage of what the defense was giving them. They showed zero respect for UT's passing game in the second half. No slants, no play action, no seam routes.

And if the WR are having trouble breaking press coverage, why not try some rub routes or crossing patterns to break someone free?

 

[Dragon18]

Honest question. Who is to blame if a team doesn't execute for an entire half?
Wouldn't that fall under game preparation?

No. If they came out flat that could be on the coaches for sure. Coaches don't play the game. There's a part of me that feels not having Maggitt on the field really hurt our defensive focus. He's definitely the glue on the defense where we really made the bulk of our mistakes. Who knows for sure though we're not in the huddle. As for offense... Ellis missing an easy catch jumping offside on third and short, not giving Dobbs even 2.5 seconds to make a play it was just a bad quarter if football that couldn't have come at a worse time against a good team.

Keep in mind too that thr first drive out of the half we drove it right down the field but couldn't take away points because Dobbs got sacked.

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

You're kidding right. This team came out very focused and played great for nearly three quarters. They made mistakes at very unfortunate moments in the fourth quarter but this team is much better than anything we've seen in ten years.

Btw we are saying the same thing about execution issues late.

It's a 4 quarter game my man.

Being focused for 3 quarters isn't exactly working out well for them in these big games.

 

[Dragon18]

It's a 4 quarter game my man.

Being focused for 3 quarters isn't exactly working out well for them in these big games.

That's very astute lol.

 

[WilliamDuVOL]

I really don't think anyone would care about the margin of victory, especially since this is a decade long streak. A one point victory would be enough, imo.

I figured, I'm just being critical of our admirably passionate, yet borderline stupid, reactionary fans. I know they're not all like that.

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

That's very astute lol.

About as astute as the other poster who talked about how focused they were than mentioned in the same post 8 instances where the missed tackles etc.