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Wylo said:
And?
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as much as I would like to rant about the behavior of some of our fans on this board , I wont.

I will just say this.

some people cant see the forest for the trees, yes it was a heartbreaking loss to OU. But if it wasn't for Butch and the staff we would never have been in that game and taken it to double overtime. We have vastly improved over last year but all people can see is the loss.
They post on here wanting him fired and stuff over a double OT loss.

it baffles me how they think.
 
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vols4evah said:
as much as I would like to rant about the behavior of some of our fans on this board , I wont.

I will just say this.

some people cant see the forest for the trees, yes it was a heartbreaking loss to OU. But if it wasn't for Butch and the staff we would never have been in that game and taken it to double overtime. We have vastly improved over last year but all people can see is the loss.
They post on here wanting him fired and stuff over a double OT loss.

it baffles me how they think.
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Agreed. It gets embarrassing at times. You can tell the ones who don't have the slightest clue about football or process of rebuilding a championship program. They wouldn't know progress if it was stuck up their a**. Like we could afford another buyout and new coaching staff anyway lol.
 
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NEOCON said:
I am sick of all the threads on here about we are still young, and "but we weren't expected to beat OK," and "the team is still learning, and crap, and more crap...

Call a Spade a Spade.

CBJ has not yet, not once, out coached anyone.

Yeah he beat Spurrier last year...who didn't?

And the year before that we won due to a miracle catch by North.

MO out coached us, Vandy out coached us, and even the Gators coach out coached us.

We have lost two games now where we were up big going into the 4th quarter. Now our OC says we need to learn blitzes etc.

CBJ has the ability to grow. he can mature as a coach and he can get it together. But unless something changes he is our Zook.

I mean does anyone think we lose to either FL or OK if Gruden had of actually taken the job...
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Dare you to go to the hood and pull that spade spade thing. :yu:
 
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chatt-townVOL said:
He has outcoached Spurrier two years in a row. Yes the 2013 South Carolina game required a miracle catch, but they were a much more talented team than us. I hate to say it, but Butch's conservative nature won that game for us.

Don't get me wrong, his conservative coaching has lost many more close games for us than it has won us, but in that instance, it somehow worked.

I also think he outcoached Ferentz (Iowa Head Coach). We were better than Iowa, but not that much better. He wasn't conservative in that game until it was well out of reach, although we could have hung 70 if he hadn't pulled a Butch and hit the brakes.

Only in Butchland is there such thing as "too much of a lead"
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He coached a pretty great game against UGA. and Pig.fumbled...

OP, the point of we are young is in big game experience where they're up on a quality opponent and have to close out. Yeah the coaches didn't coach well but you know what? The players didn't come thru either.

We've all lost some faith in CBJ but lets face reality that a lot of these players aren't there yet.
 
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GLDunlap said:
but these threads never get old.........

9 points and 14 points are not big leads in football anymore.
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True not a big lead which is why the offense should not have gone into a shell with their Hurry Up and Punt attack

It was the largest lead ever surrendered by UT in the 4th quarter at home in history -- that's a pretty big deal no matter who you are playing
 
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Mr_Henley said:
The ironic reason for this is because of the up tempo offenses. We would rather beat our chest about running 3 plays in under a minute, meanwhile gaining 7 total yards, and giving it right back to an offense that was gaining steam. That's on the coaches.

Get the stick out of your (coaches) ass and drain the clock in the 4th, with a 17 point lead, and the law of averages waiting to strike on thn opposing sideline. And no, drain the clock doesn't mean run, run, run, punt. Keep the clock moving and execute short yardage conversions. This would require us to actually get the ball to one of your receivers worth a **** though, which wasn't allowed.

"Yeah but keep your foot on the gas!!!!!"

You get six points in the 4th quarter rather you score a TD in 2:48 of regulation time or 6:35 of regulation time.
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Yes... We can not go forward until the coaches put the pedal down and stop playing scared
 
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Go watch the mizzu game last year . They scored on a fake field goal but played the same ole Vanilla scared game other than that. I'm not so Sure This Staff Will ever Compete for the SEC title.
 
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Pretty cool how you guys sit at home in front of your tv or computer or whatever and talk crap about the coaches and players that actually play the game
 
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Have some of you guys even watched the game? I've really held out and let the Chattavols, neocons et al rant since last Saturday night but enough is enough. As much as you guys want to lay this at Butch's feet, in reality it came down to about 8 instances of lack of execution by the players. Missed catches, penalties, missed tackles and missed blocking assignments in the second half. It's not about adjustment at the half. We came out on the first drive and marched it down the field. What adjustments should have been made? As much as some of you guys want to think that football is all about the coach, it's not. It's a players game and players MUST execute. Coaches build game plans and coach players to be ready to compete against the team in font of them. 90% of this work happens prior to kickoff. Our boys were obviously ready for this game. You can disagree on not going for it on the goal line (I probably would have) but I also get wanting to be first on the board.

You guys really need to just let it go. Butch is a really good coach. The team plays with tremendous focus and intensity. To compare him with Zook and Dooley is just ridiculous. I'm as disappointed as any of you guys but I also understand that we are in a building process.
 
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Dragon18 said:
Have some of you guys even watched the game? I've really held out and let the Chattavols, neocons et al rant since last Saturday night but enough is enough. As much as you guys want to lay this at Butch's feet, in reality it came down to about 8 instances of lack of execution by the players. Missed catches, penalties, missed tackles and missed blocking assignments in the second half. It's not about adjustment at the half. We came out on the first drive and marched it down the field. What adjustments should have been made? As much as some of you guys want to think that football is all about the coach, it's not. It's a players game and players MUST execute. Coaches build game plans and coach players to be ready to compete against the team in font of them. 90% of this work happens prior to kickoff. Our boys were obviously ready for this game. You can disagree on not going for it on the goal line (I probably would have) but I also get wanting to be first on the board.

You guys really need to just let it go. Butch is a really good coach. The team plays with tremendous focus and intensity. To compare him with Zook and Dooley is just ridiculous. I'm as disappointed as any of you guys but I also understand that we are in a building process.
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Finally some common sense around here
 
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Dragon18 said:
Have some of you guys even watched the game? I've really held out and let the Chattavols, neocons et al rant since last Saturday night but enough is enough. As much as you guys want to lay this at Butch's feet, in reality it came down to about 8 instances of lack of execution by the players. Missed catches, penalties, missed tackles and missed blocking assignments in the second half. It's not about adjustment at the half. We came out on the first drive and marched it down the field. What adjustments should have been made? As much as some of you guys want to think that football is all about the coach, it's not. It's a players game and players MUST execute. Coaches build game plans and coach players to be ready to compete against the team in font of them. 90% of this work happens prior to kickoff. Our boys were obviously ready for this game. You can disagree on not going for it on the goal line (I probably would have) but I also get wanting to be first on the board.

You guys really need to just let it go. Butch is a really good coach. The team plays with tremendous focus and intensity. To compare him with Zook and Dooley is just ridiculous. I'm as disappointed as any of you guys but I also understand that we are in a building process.
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I think comparing him to Dooley at this stage is crap, but Zook? Zook had a good season or two and supposedly was an amazing recruiter. I think it's a fair comparison until Butch gets the monkey off his back and beats a Georgia, Florida, Alabama, etc
 
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No one cares what you think OP. Your opinion is not exactly a new opinion. Your rant added nothing to this board whatsoever. I have no issue with criticism of the staff, hell they deserve some of it but at least add something with your thread that's not being discussed in hundreds of other threads, analysis of what the staff should have done better, something even humor. You're not a special snowflake that enlightens the rest of us with your perspective, you're just one more grumbling, curmudgeon.
 
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VolFan4Life87 said:
I think comparing him to Dooley at this stage is crap, but Zook? Zook had a good season or two and supposedly was an amazing recruiter. I think it's a fair comparison until Butch gets the monkey off his back and beats a Georgia, Florida, Alabama, etc
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I think where the comparison to Butch and Zook breaks down is in the approach. Zook was a really low intensity guy (as coaches go) and his players never played with great intensity because of it. Butch and Zook couldn't be further apart on this point. I took the time to watch all of the preseason practices on the SEC specials prior to the season and it really struck me how much harder Butch and this staff coach than the others. I can tell you this, as a player I would've run through the proverbial wall for a coach like Butch. This is not to say Butch will make it here. I do however believe he is doing all the right things and regarding the state of the program now compared to where it was when he took over I am VERY pleased.
 
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NEOCON said:
I am sick of all the threads on here about we are still young, and "but we weren't expected to beat OK," and "the team is still learning, and crap, and more crap...

Call a Spade a Spade.

CBJ has not yet, not once, out coached anyone.

Yeah he beat Spurrier last year...who didn't?

And the year before that we won due to a miracle catch by North.

MO out coached us, Vandy out coached us, and even the Gators coach out coached us.

We have lost two games now where we were up big going into the 4th quarter. Now our OC says we need to learn blitzes etc.

CBJ has the ability to grow. he can mature as a coach and he can get it together. But unless something changes he is our Zook.

I mean does anyone think we lose to either FL or OK if Gruden had of actually taken the job...
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#46
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NEOCON said:
I am sick of all the threads on here about we are still young, and "but we weren't expected to beat OK," and "the team is still learning, and crap, and more crap...

Call a Spade a Spade.

CBJ has not yet, not once, out coached anyone.

Yeah he beat Spurrier last year...who didn't?

And the year before that we won due to a miracle catch by North.

MO out coached us, Vandy out coached us, and even the Gators coach out coached us.

We have lost two games now where we were up big going into the 4th quarter. Now our OC says we need to learn blitzes etc.

CBJ has the ability to grow. he can mature as a coach and he can get it together. But unless something changes he is our Zook.

I mean does anyone think we lose to either FL or OK if Gruden had of actually taken the job...
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Well CBJ will be here several more years. Can you stick it out or will you leave.
 
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So many on here, both the Vol supporters and Vol deserters, blindly repeat what I believe to be a non-fact -- that the coaches took their foot off the gas. I think it was much more the fact that Dobbs was continually being harried or sacked, some of the aforementioned execution problems, fumble by Heard, etc. They attempted to deliver a knockout punch. I don't think the staff was backing off at all. If they were they surely would have tried to milk the clock. C'mon, they aren't that stupid. It just didn't work out and there was plenty of blame to go around.
 
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There is no way in He77 that Gruden will coach this team. Even if he did I do not see him being able to recruit like Butch and company. Gruden has gotten lazy, he enjoys just showing up on game day and telling us what he thinks. There is a reason great coaches like Gruden and Jimmy Johnson are talking heads. They make lots of money and have to prepare very little. If they coached it would have to be 24x7x365 just like Butch & Company.

That is why Butch is the right man. Give him time to learn how to win big time football games. We are at game 3 of year 3. Remember we were a dumpster fire and could not hire a big name coach. Nor could we afford to hire a big name coach. Remember just two years ago the sports at UT were borrowing money from the school (because we were still paying Dooley, probably Kiffin). We are back in the black now and I expect the next OC hire to be someone great. Debord is not the man long term. He was a fill in for this year because the last one left suddenly. I expect Butch to get a new OC unless we put up some ungodly numbers the rest of the year.

Sorry for the rant but move on people we lost to a team we were expected to lose to.
 
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Dragon18 said:
I think where the comparison to Butch and Zook breaks down is in the approach. Zook was a really low intensity guy (as coaches go) and his players never played with great intensity because of it. Butch and Zook couldn't be further apart on this point. I took the time to watch all of the preseason practices on the SEC specials prior to the season and it really struck me how much harder Butch and this staff coach than the others. I can tell you this, as a player I would've run through the proverbial wall for a coach like Butch. This is not to say Butch will make it here. I do however believe he is doing all the right things and regarding the state of the program now compared to where it was when he took over I am VERY pleased.
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We've DEFINITELY improved since Jones has taken over; there's no question about that. I hope he can take us to the next level because I really like Jones as the ambassador of the program
 
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golf437 said:
Well CBJ will be here several more years. Can you stick it out or will you leave.
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He'll get 4 for sure. Keep dropping games in the fashion he dropped one the other night, and i wouldn't be too confident he gets any more than that. He has to keep the fans engaged and thinking he's getting us to the right place. What happened last Saturday night looked all too familiar. It's all about keeping butts in seats. Got to start winning a few of the ones that matter the most or i wouldn't count on him being here any longer than that. Mostly because the AD wouldn't be able to afford it. It's all about the money. Not cliches and bricks.
 
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