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[ReaderVol]

I am sick of all the threads on here about we are still young, and "but we weren't expected to beat OK," and "the team is still learning, and crap, and more crap...

Call a Spade a Spade.

CBJ has not yet, not once, out coached anyone.

Yeah he beat Spurrier last year...who didn't?

And the year before that we won due to a miracle catch by North.

MO out coached us, Vandy out coached us, and even the Gators coach out coached us.

We have lost two games now where we were up big going into the 4th quarter. Now our OC says we need to learn blitzes etc.

CBJ has the ability to grow. he can mature as a coach and he can get it together. But unless something changes he is our Zook.

I mean does anyone think we lose to either FL or OK if Gruden had of actually taken the job...

What are you talking about? Most of the threads have been in agreement with you. It's mostly been "Butch sucks" threads. But thank you for starting yet one more. Good job

 

[peppervol]

I've believed OU to be the 2nd best team on UT's schedule since beginning to look at opponents over the off-season. I held out some hope that maybe they wouldn't be as good as I expected considering the new coordinators. However, they returned a large number in their two deep including most of their production. By their own measure, they underperformed expectations last year due to coordinators and some youth.


My major problem was the failure of the staff to admit that their "game management" was a problem. I didn't take the Monday press conference from Jones where he supposedly "took responsibility" well at all since... he went on to spend 20 minutes saying that he nor the staff made any mistakes.


Maybe he had second thoughts. Maybe someone told him that it didn't sound good. Not sure. But his later p/c... Tuesday I think... was much better. The tone was a lot more "we as coaches need to...."


Hopefully it will lead to incremental improvement not only of execution but also coaching decisions and strategies.

Very astute post,sjt. I think CBJ and staff are growing in this job along with the team. This is top level college football; first time territory for Butch. Hopefully, he's learning, too. Time will tell....

 

[Vol-in-Atlanta]

That's a weird analogy

No it's not. It is a great analogy. Perfect.

 

[JC61]

I'm sick of threads complaining about people making excuses. This isn't an original topic, OP.

FYI Gruden choked away his fair share of games too.i saw him lose a MNF game in which he was up by 24 with under 5 min in the 4th.

no way man...Jones is the only football coach to lose when winning a game going into the 4th qtr

 

[BenGrimm]

Dooley was our Zook

Zook could recruit and left Meyer with a championship defense on the roster.

Zook also won a few meaningful games.

 

[checkerboards09]

For the love of God, make it stop!

A win in the swamp will be the remedy. I'm just as pissed as everyone else, but there's still a lot of games to be played. The team I saw Saturday night can win the East as long as Butch doesn't put on the breaks anymore.

 

[Wylo]

as much as I would like to rant about the behavior of some of our fans on this board , I wont.

I will just say this.

some people cant see the forest for the trees, yes it was a heartbreaking loss to OU. But if it wasn't for Butch and the staff we would never have been in that game and taken it to double overtime. We have vastly improved over last year but all people can see is the loss.
They post on here wanting him fired and stuff over a double OT loss.

it baffles me how they think.

So you're saying that NO other coach could've gotten us a loss vs Oklahoma at home? After a 17-0 lead? 14 point 4th quarter lead? With garbage hurry up and punt play calling?

Well Damn. I guess we do have the best staff in America.

Thanks Butch for being the only coach that could do all that.

 

[JC61]

So you're saying that NO other coach could've gotten us a loss vs Oklahoma at home? After a 17-0 lead? 14 point 4th quarter lead? With garbage hurry up and punt play calling?

Well Damn. I guess we do have the best staff in America.

Thanks Butch for being the only coach that could do all that.

yep...the only coach ever, in the history of football, to blow a 4th qtr lead....at home!!!!

 

[Dragon18]

So you're saying that NO other coach could've gotten us a loss vs Oklahoma at home? After a 17-0 lead? 14 point 4th quarter lead? With garbage hurry up and punt play calling?

Well Damn. I guess we do have the best staff in America.

Thanks Butch for being the only coach that could do all that.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Wylo you are clueless. I honestly think you're just trolling to get people pissed. Your body of work on VN is pitiful and we never see you until there is something that is negative going on. Take a hike fella!

 

[82_VOL_83]

Have some of you guys even watched the game? I've really held out and let the Chattavols, neocons et al rant since last Saturday night but enough is enough. As much as you guys want to lay this at Butch's feet, in reality it came down to about 8 instances of lack of execution by the players. Missed catches, penalties, missed tackles and missed blocking assignments in the second half. It's not about adjustment at the half. We came out on the first drive and marched it down the field. What adjustments should have been made? As much as some of you guys want to think that football is all about the coach, it's not. It's a players game and players MUST execute. Coaches build game plans and coach players to be ready to compete against the team in font of them. 90% of this work happens prior to kickoff. Our boys were obviously ready for this game. You can disagree on not going for it on the goal line (I probably would have) but I also get wanting to be first on the board.

You guys really need to just let it go. Butch is a really good coach. The team plays with tremendous focus and intensity. To compare him with Zook and Dooley is just ridiculous. I'm as disappointed as any of you guys but I also understand that we are in a building process.

What you fail to comprehend is that there are two basic aspects to the game playing and coaching. Coaching should not loose big games although they occasionally do. Coaching should never blow big games by making stupid decisions over an entire game. Regardless of how the players played, had the coaches taken out coaching 101 from the library, we wouldn't be having this conversation. This loss is squarely on CBJ's shoulders. I haven't said fire him, stone him, or hang him. However, if you think for a minute that that loss was all on the kids, you don't know the game very well.

 

[champyvol]

I am sick of all the threads on here about we are still young, and "but we weren't expected to beat OK," and "the team is still learning, and crap, and more crap...

Call a Spade a Spade.

CBJ has not yet, not once, out coached anyone.

Yeah he beat Spurrier last year...who didn't?

And the year before that we won due to a miracle catch by North.

MO out coached us, Vandy out coached us, and even the Gators coach out coached us.

We have lost two games now where we were up big going into the 4th quarter. Now our OC says we need to learn blitzes etc.

CBJ has the ability to grow. he can mature as a coach and he can get it together. But unless something changes he is our Zook.

I mean does anyone think we lose to either FL or OK if Gruden had of actually taken the job...

well said. excuse U. or there is always next year. that is our motto.

 

[JPL]

I am sick of all the threads on here about we are still young, and "but we weren't expected to beat OK," and "the team is still learning, and crap, and more crap...

Call a Spade a Spade.

CBJ has not yet, not once, out coached anyone.

Yeah he beat Spurrier last year...who didn't?

And the year before that we won due to a miracle catch by North.

MO out coached us, Vandy out coached us, and even the Gators coach out coached us.

We have lost two games now where we were up big going into the 4th quarter. Now our OC says we need to learn blitzes etc.

CBJ has the ability to grow. he can mature as a coach and he can get it together. But unless something changes he is our Zook.

I mean does anyone think we lose to either FL or OK if Gruden had of actually taken the job...

It's funny how some here don't want to face the music and call a spade a spade. Shame on you for posting something negative :clapping: The reality is your post is the truth.

I love the VOLS and personally think Butch Jones has done A LOT for TN football and has poured his heart and soul into turning it around. Unfortunately that has not translated to quality Wins on Saturday and several of the losses, Vandy, FL, and now OU are quite troubling because anyone attending or watching the game could see we were out coached.

The only game I've witnessed Butch Jones call aggressively and clearly wanted to do whatever it took to win was GA in 2013.

Tennessee played scared, and that's why it lost to Oklahoma - SBNation.com

Our head coach needs to adjust and improve in game coachingeace2:

 

[emzeeee]

well said. excuse U. or there is always next year. that is our motto.

Also Tennessee, the land of running off a basketball coach & pissing and moaning endlessly. Bunch of grown ass men still whining about last Saturday as if the entire season is blown up now.

I'm curious as to which games everyone had circled as losses prior to the season, because there has to be some rationale for all the blithering meltdowns. It's okay to be pissed about OU, but damn move on. It didn't kill our season whatsoever.

 

[overseasorange2]

yep...the only coach ever, in the history of football, to blow a 4th qtr lead....at home!!!!

Actually he is the only UT coach to blow a 17 point lead in Neyland stadium.

 

[PC Jr.]

I think you just made a thread...doing exactly what were complaining about...in the thread you just created. It's a lot of blah blah blah blah

 

[Dragon18]

What you fail to comprehend is that there are two basic aspects to the game playing and coaching. Coaching should not loose big games although they occasionally do. Coaching should never blow big games by making stupid decisions over an entire game. Regardless of how the players played, had the coaches taken out coaching 101 from the library, we wouldn't be having this conversation. This loss is squarely on CBJ's shoulders. I haven't said fire him, stone him, or hang him. However, if you think for a minute that that loss was all on the kids, you don't know the game very well.

What I fail to comprehend huh? My friend I doubt you've ever been a part of a football program to make the statement above. I promise you I've played at higher levels than you unless you played in the NFL. Butch's game plan was solid and if you go back and watch the game you will see where the players made huge mistakes at really crucial moments that either stalled our drives or extended OU's drives. Players know it's their responsibility to execute. So before you make such definitive statements you should probably check yourself.

Edit: By saying the players failed to execute I'm in no way trashing them either. Mistakes get made in every game and sometimes you get beat on your assignments. We just made some really big mistakes at very bad times. GBMFO!

 

[vol24/7/365]

I am sick of all the threads on here about we are still young, and "but we weren't expected to beat OK," and "the team is still learning, and crap, and more crap...

Call a Spade a Spade.

CBJ has not yet, not once, out coached anyone.

Yeah he beat Spurrier last year...who didn't?



And the year before that we won due to a miracle catch by North.

MO out coached us, Vandy out coached us, and even the Gators coach out coached us.




We have lost two games now where we were up big going into the 4th quarter. Now our OC says we need to learn blitzes etc.





CBJ has the ability to grow. he can mature as a coach and he can get it together. But unless

something changes he is our Zook.

I mean does anyone think we lose to either FL or OK if Gruden had of actually taken the job...

I was with you until you mentioned Zook and Gruden

 

[champyvol]

Also Tennessee, the land of running off a basketball coach & pissing and moaning endlessly. Bunch of grown ass men still whining about last Saturday as if the entire season is blown up now.

I'm curious as to which games everyone had circled as losses prior to the season, because there has to be some rationale for all the blithering meltdowns. It's okay to be pissed about OU, but damn move on. It didn't kill our season whatsoever.

not just last Saturday's game. he has been out coached consistently. remember florida last year. the excuses continue to flow, but in the end nothing changes. a loss is a loss. hart needs to be shown the door and have a real AD come in and evaluate the situation. debord was a horrible hire that is also on jones.

 

[emzeeee]

not just last Saturday's game. he has been out coached consistently. remember florida last year. the excuses continue to flow, but in the end nothing changes. a loss is a loss. hart needs to be shown the door and have a real AD come in and evaluate the situation. debord was a horrible hire that is also on jones.

lol this is the typical over-emotional response from someone who's only looking at the field for the turnaround our entire AD and program has done.

It's been two full seasons, one of which we went to and won a bowl game for the first time since 2008.

How about you pump the brakes on the apocalypse train until the end of the year and take a Xanax?

 

[butchna]

Actually he is the only UT coach to blow a 17 point lead in Neyland stadium.

The record was 16 before...we're doomed! :scare:

 

[Vol'n'beers]

I normally don't post to this type of thread, but I literally have acid in my mouth. Some of you folks should have to apply for a license to own a computer.

If we're going to throw around the "outcoached" phrase again and again every time something upsets us, let's agree to some rules regarding the usage. I recommend the following:
1) Actually have a criteria by which you can judge success/failure (or being "outcoached"). This can be anything per your opinion, but the more tangible and thought-out the more agreement you'll get. Example in the OK game COULD be
"Were the players put into the best position to succeed (i.e. formations, substitutions, etc.)"
2) Next devise a system by which to measure the results against your criteria. In my example above you could simply use statistics versus average on a player by player basis. How did Hurd do against his average versus Perine? How did Shepard do versus pick a Vol?
3) Analyze the results and come up with a sensible conclusion. In this case you could say, "There was little difference in the results as determined by measureable factors, but I'm going to pin all of my frustration on the 7% contributor."

 

[JC61]

Actually he is the only UT coach to blow a 17 point lead in Neyland stadium.

true....what was the last mark...16?

A loss is a loss...and they are always 100% due to coaching. Nothing else has an impact...glad I'm still a learning organism and understand how this works now.

 

[champyvol]

lol this is the typical over-emotional response from someone who's only looking at the field for the turnaround our entire AD and program has done.

It's been two full seasons, one of which we went to and won a bowl game for the first time since 2008.

How about you pump the brakes on the apocalypse train until the end of the year and take a Xanax?

no thanks, when you see a crappy coach you call him one. jones is a great recruiter, but a below average coach. he will be exposed again in the florida game and the butch pumpers will continue to make excuses for him. people that understand football know that jones will never sniff a sec championship. hart should be fired for our basketball program alone champ. emotional response. yes i'm tired of idiots running my beloved university into the ground and it starts with hart.

 

[emzeeee]

true....what was the last mark...16?

A loss is a loss...and they are always 100% due to coaching. Nothing else has an impact...glad I'm still a learning organism and understand how this works now.

CBJ was out there throwing passes into the dirt and missing easy tackles at the end of the game.

 

[emzeeee]

no thanks, when you see a crappy coach you call him one. jones is a great recruiter, but a below average coach. he will be exposed again in the florida game and the butch pumpers will continue to make excuses for him. people that understand football know that jones will never sniff a sec championship. hart should be fired for our basketball program alone champ. emotional response. yes i'm tired of idiots running my beloved university into the ground and it starts with hart.

Most of what I've seen is how about waiting until the end of the 3rd year. Especially when our football team has been improving.

I have no words for trashcan fans like you. The bandwagon will be around back to pick you up when you're ready.