Birmingham News (AL.com) All-SEC offense -> Dobbs, Weisman

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KBVol said:
If body of work means nothing, how can you possibly even have a preseason all-SEC team since no one can look into the future to see who's gonna do what? Of course body of work matters.... read the article and the rationale given for why each player was selected......body of work is all this list is based on.
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Their abs, KB, you have to look at their abs.

If they have a well-defined six-pack, they're definitely pre-season all SEC.

Hehe, sorry, D4H, just couldn't resist, remembering back to that thread where you trashed TK Jr a little for not being well-defined enough. :)
 
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Hypothetical question..

Give me your opinion on..

1) Hurd plays for LSU this year with their brand of football..

2) Forunette plays for UT this year with their brand of football..

Just for fun and discussion purposes.. 😃
 
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fade route said:
Chubb has rushed for more yards and more TDs in 19 games than Hurd has been able to tally in 26 games. And also shared carries with Sony Michel. Sorry, Chubb is actually FAR better than Hurd.
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Well then it's a good thing I have eyes and actually watch the games than just going by stats.

Chubb has had better lines. Hurd is more talented and better. Put him on those Georgia teams (especially 2014) and he's more productive.
 
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VOL 4 Life 83 said:
Ok, that's Chubb splitting with one back per year basically, Dobbs has put up 671 and 469 yards in 2015 and 2014 respectively. No Georgia QB has done that. And Georgia had arguably one of the best OL's the past few years, while two years ago our OL gave up ungodly sack numbers and TFL's.

Hurd is just as good as Chubb.
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No he's not, and everyone outside of Knoxville agrees with me, not you.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Well then it's a good thing I have eyes and actually watch the games than just going by stats.

Chubb has had better lines. Hurd is more talented and better. Put him on those Georgia teams (especially 2014) and he's more productive.
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Hurd is not more talented than Chubb. Hurd is quicker and more athletic than most guys that are 6'4" 240 but that's about it. Think about this, Hurd does not have a single run of more than 50 yards. Not one.
 
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fade route said:
Hurd is not more talented than Chubb. Hurd is quicker and more athletic than most guys that are 6'4" 240 but that's about it. Think about this, Hurd does not have a single run of more than 50 yards. Not one.
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Fade you are right about Hurd not having a run of 50 or more. He's not (hasn't been) that type of back. It's been a long time since I've seen a back just demoralize defenders like he does. I remember a run in the UK gane where the defenders in the second level were in a position to at least put a hit on him but absolutely opted to let him take it to the house. It will be interesting to see how the work Hurd is putting into his speed will pay off this year. If he can find that breakaway gear he will be as good as Fournette. JMO.
 
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Dragon18 said:
Fade you are right about Hurd not having a run of 50 or more. He's not (hasn't been) that type of back. It's been a long time since I've seen a back just demoralize defenders like he does. I remember a run in the UK gane where the defenders in the second level were in a position to at least put a hit on him but absolutely opted to let him take it to the house. It will be interesting to see how the work Hurd is putting into his speed will pay off this year. If he can find that breakaway gear he will be as good as Fournette. JMO.
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The top teams we play won't get demoralized from tackling Hurd. He needs top end speed this year if we are to have a great season
 
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Coach_Z said:
Okay so then we should be ranked second, tied with UGA, for the preseason of we're just going off of last year.
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So you think last year's success has nothing to do with us being picked to win the East this year?

As far as preseason players' lists, I think Jennings should be first team preseason all-SEC. He looks great running around out there....I know he only had 14 catches last year and Calvin Ridley had about 90 or so, but since we're not going on "body of work", give me Jennings over Ridley...I think he's due.
 
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Trevor Daniels was the best punter in the SEC last year and should be on first team. bamer punter Scott took a step back last year from his fab freshman year.
 
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Dragon18 said:
Fade you are right about Hurd not having a run of 50 or more. He's not (hasn't been) that type of back. It's been a long time since I've seen a back just demoralize defenders like he does. I remember a run in the UK gane where the defenders in the second level were in a position to at least put a hit on him but absolutely opted to let him take it to the house. It will be interesting to see how the work Hurd is putting into his speed will pay off this year. If he can find that breakaway gear he will be as good as Fournette. JMO.
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He's a bruiser for sure and a load to bring down, just don't see that 2nd gear in the open field. I actually think Dobbs is a better open field runner than Hurd.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Well then it's a good thing I have eyes and actually watch the games than just going by stats.

Chubb has had better lines. Hurd is more talented and better. Put him on those Georgia teams (especially 2014) and he's more productive.
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You know what else Chubb has? Better quickness, better vision, better open field running, better top end speed, which all greatly helps him to nearly 3 more yards per carry so far in his career.
 
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08Vol said:
The top teams we play won't get demoralized from tackling Hurd. He needs top end speed this year if we are to have a great season
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They will not be demoralized. But if you think being constantly pounded by a back like Hurd doesn't take a toll you haven't played much on the defensive side of the ball. There's a reason Hurd is utilized the way he is by the coaches. A back like him pounds snd pounds until the defense softens to a point that they break. Same way Bama used their big back last year.
 
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fade route said:
Hurd is not more talented than Chubb. Hurd is quicker and more athletic than most guys that are 6'4" 240 but that's about it. Think about this, Hurd does not have a single run of more than 50 yards. Not one.
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I didn't know getting a 50+ yard run was necessary to be a good back?

Just watch Chubb vs Alabama and compare that to Hurd vs Alabama. Yes Chubb had a 80 yarder in garbage time that made his stat line look good at the end of the game. However, for 3 and a half quarters he was totally ineffective. Hurd was consistently good against Alabama which helped us be more competitive.

Give me a Jalen Hurd who gets 4-5 yards every touch than a guy who losses yards all day but busts a 80 yard run in garbage time.
 
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KBVol said:
You know what else Chubb has? Better quickness, better vision, better open field running, better top end speed, which all greatly helps him to nearly 3 more yards per carry so far in his career.
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Nope. Hurd has better quickness and vision. We'll see about the top end speed this year.
 
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VoL The Impaler said:
Hypothetical question..

Give me your opinion on..

1) Hurd plays for LSU this year with their brand of football..

2) Forunette plays for UT this year with their brand of football..

Just for fun and discussion purposes.. 😃
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Oh that's a great hypothetical, VtI. I wish I knew enough about LSU's line to do it justice.

Just guessing that they're "above SEC average" (which means pretty darn good), I would say that Jalen gets 200-300 more yards with that line, and Fournette gets 200-300 less without it.

I say that because Jalen is frequently met at the line of scrimmage (or, in 2014, even 2 yards before the line) by the first defender or two. That's like putting a big speed bump 10 yards in front of the start line of a drag racer. It just totally throws off the timing.

Didn't happen to Jalen every time, particularly not in 2015, but it still happened often enough to depress his stats. If he weren't so physically imposing, it would've destroyed them. But that young man does know how to make lemonade.

So easily a couple-few hundred yard swing for each of them, just as a guess, not knowing enough about LSU's line.

I think that still leaves Fournette with a slight advantage in 2015 total yardage. But it's a more realistic appraisal of how close they are in skill level, apples to apples.


p.s. I did NOT mean any of that as an indictment of the Team 120 OLine. These guys have the potential to be very good indeed. :good!:
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I didn't know getting a 50+ yard run was necessary to be a good back?

Just watch Chubb vs Alabama and compare that to Hurd vs Alabama. Yes Chubb had a 80 yarder in garbage time that made his stat line look good at the end of the game. However, for 3 and a half quarters he was totally ineffective. Hurd was consistently good against Alabama which helped us be more competitive.

Give me a Jalen Hurd who gets 4-5 yards every touch than a guy who losses yards all day but busts a 80 yard run in garbage time.
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Good for you. I'll take the guy who's ran for over 2,200 yards and 21 TDs in 19 games vs the guy who took 26 games to run for 2184 yards and 17 TDs.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I didn't know getting a 50+ yard run was necessary to be a good back?

Just watch Chubb vs Alabama and compare that to Hurd vs Alabama. Yes Chubb had a 80 yarder in garbage time that made his stat line look good at the end of the game. However, for 3 and a half quarters he was totally ineffective. Hurd was consistently good against Alabama which helped us be more competitive.

Give me a Jalen Hurd who gets 4-5 yards every touch than a guy who losses yards all day but busts a 80 yard run in garbage time.
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So you watch ALLLLL those hours and hours of football and you're boiling down Hurd vs Chubb to one game. Nice. It would appear that pretty every SEC and NFL analyst disagrees with you, but that's cool. To each his own opinion.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Nope. Hurd has better quickness and vision. We'll see about the top end speed this year.
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That's utterly insane dude. You're letting your bias and arrogance talk here. I love Jalen, am thrilled he's a Vol and am looking for another outstanding season from him. But I can put my Vol homerism aside long enough to see that he's the 3rd best back in the SEC this year, which, in and of itself, is still outstanding.
 
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VoL The Impaler said:
Hypothetical question..

Give me your opinion on..

1) Hurd plays for LSU this year with their brand of football..

2) Forunette plays for UT this year with their brand of football..

Just for fun and discussion purposes.. 😃
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I think Hurd and Fournette run with similar power. They're both physical beasts. So, the short runs, the plays where they're hit at the line of scrimmage or slightly beyond, they likely get similar yardage. Being a Vol homer, I'll give Hurd the slight edge there.

The difference would be what each would do with the creases, the big holes, the plays where they're given plenty of room to gash the defense. That's where Fournette wins in spades IMO. The 50-60-70-80 yard runs that LF ripped off last year....Jalen gets significantly fewer yards there IMO.

Where I'll also give Hurd the nod is catching the ball out of the backfield. Not sure how good Fournette is there, but I know Hurd is outstanding.
 
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KBVol said:
That's utterly insane dude. You're letting your bias and arrogance talk here. I love Jalen, am thrilled he's a Vol and am looking for another outstanding season from him. But I can put my Vol homerism aside long enough to see that he's the 3rd best back in the SEC this year, which, in and of itself, is still outstanding.
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Agree - objectivity is rare here on VN
 
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