Birmingham News (AL.com) All-SEC offense -> Dobbs, Weisman

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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I never based my opinion of Dobbs on his 3rd down stats. I did it based on watching every snap he's taken as a Vol. I'm eye test all the way.

Letting stats do your reasoning is the quickest way to end up like the Cleveland Cavaliers. Yeah I know this is a different sport but just bear with me. They traded the #1 overall pick (Andrew Wiggins) for guy (Kevin Love) who averaged 25 PPG and 15 RPG on his previous team thinking they were getting an elite player. Now they find themselves better when he ain't on the floor.

Eye test over stats anyday.
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So pretty much everyone else's eye test on Dobbs' occasional inaccuracy is wrong, just because it's not your opinion?
 
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#128
#128
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I never based my opinion of Dobbs on his 3rd down stats. I did it based on watching every snap he's taken as a Vol. I'm eye test all the way.

Letting stats do your reasoning is the quickest way to end up like the Cleveland Cavaliers. Yeah I know this is a different sport but just bear with me. They traded the #1 overall pick (Andrew Wiggins) for guy (Kevin Love) who averaged 25 PPG and 15 RPG on his previous team thinking they were getting an elite player. Now they find themselves better when he ain't on the floor.

Eye test over stats anyday.
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It's not just stats, it's a combination of the two. If you see a guy make every throw in the book, has excellent arm strength and accuracy, looks like the real deal.....and it translates to the stat sheet, which most every time it does, then you know you have an outstanding player. If a guy looks great but can't eat up yards by moving his team down the field and get in the endzone then what do you really have? Josh passes the eye test in many ways and in some ways he just doesn't....and his passing stats back up/confirm what so many of us see as him not being a consistent, outstanding passer.
 
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#129
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I personally don't have a lot of patience for slobbering over other teams players. If you love non-Vols more than our own then please go and root for them.
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It's not about loving other players. It's about accepting the fact, that, Chubb is a better RB. Hurd is damn good, but Your biases is sickening. You don't have to be a fan to recognize another teams skilled players. Guess Herschel Walker sucked? Along with Barry Sanders, Michael Irvin, Percy Harvin, and JJ Watt. Oh, wait, Never mind. Butch had JJ on his team at one time, though it was totally non related to his position, it's still OK, cause it's related to UT, right?
 
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Remy said:
Last season? He could be correct. Why? Chubb has not demonstrated he could play two full seasons back to back. Chubb was as good a RB as you and I were sitting on our couches watching TV for the bulk of last season. Fournette got how many rushing yards against the NC Bama D vs Hurd? I do think Fournette had a better season and was a better RB last season. Chubb? Hell to the naw!! Sony Michel was a better RB for UGA than was Chubb last season, Chubb wasn't the best on his own team much less the SEC.
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Injuries don't count man. It's only unfortunate. Ga has had some absolute STUDS at RB and Chubb could possibly be one of the best. That injury set him back record wise. But when you consider Walker, Hearst, Moreno, and Gurley as people he's comparable, then say he's no good is beyond ignorant. Have you not seen him play, or you just biased too
 
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#131
Barrett Sallee's take on Dobbs being selected as first team QB over Kelly...sounds a lot like many VNers:


As is tradition, AL.com (and prior to the consolidation of Alabama's newspapers into one website, the Birmingham News) released its All-SEC team as voted on by the SEC's sports information directors.

There's a curious pick at the top.

Tennessee dual-threat senior Joshua Dobbs was pegged as the SEC's first-team quarterback according to the SIDs, ahead of Ole Miss senior quarterback Chad Kelly.

Are you kidding me?

Look, I like Dobbs a lot and think that he can contend for the Heisman Trophy in 2016.

I know Kelly can.

The Buffalo, New York, native is fresh off a season in which he posted the third-most prolific offensive season in SEC history. Kelly produced 4,542 total yards as a junior, behind former Texas A&M star Johnny Manziel's 5,116 in 2012 and 4,873 in 2013.

Kelly's season was better than those of former Auburn quarterback and 2010 Heisman Trophy winner Cam Newton (4,327 yards) and former Florida quarterback 2007 Heisman Trophy winner Tim Tebow (4,181 yards).

Nothing against Dobbs. He's an incredibly talented dual-threat quarterback, is much better on the ground then he gets credit for and should be the centerpiece of a Volunteer offense that is incredibly difficult to stop. But he had a 127.01 passer rating last year (as opposed to Kelly, who boasted a 155.86 rating), tossed 15 touchdowns to Kelly's 31 and is not nearly as accomplished a passer as his position mate in Oxford.

That's not to say that Dobbs can't get there. He can. I'm a firm believer in Tennessee's passing problems being more rooted in an underdeveloped and under-coached wide receiving corps than with Dobbs.

But having him over Kelly prior to the 2016 season is a joke.
 
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KBVol said:
Barrett Sallee's take on Dobbs being selected as first team QB over Kelly...sounds a lot like many VNers:


As is tradition, AL.com (and prior to the consolidation of Alabama's newspapers into one website, the Birmingham News) released its All-SEC team as voted on by the SEC's sports information directors.

There's a curious pick at the top.

Tennessee dual-threat senior Joshua Dobbs was pegged as the SEC's first-team quarterback according to the SIDs, ahead of Ole Miss senior quarterback Chad Kelly.

Are you kidding me?

Look, I like Dobbs a lot and think that he can contend for the Heisman Trophy in 2016.

I know Kelly can.

The Buffalo, New York, native is fresh off a season in which he posted the third-most prolific offensive season in SEC history. Kelly produced 4,542 total yards as a junior, behind former Texas A&M star Johnny Manziel's 5,116 in 2012 and 4,873 in 2013.

Kelly's season was better than those of former Auburn quarterback and 2010 Heisman Trophy winner Cam Newton (4,327 yards) and former Florida quarterback 2007 Heisman Trophy winner Tim Tebow (4,181 yards).

Nothing against Dobbs. He's an incredibly talented dual-threat quarterback, is much better on the ground then he gets credit for and should be the centerpiece of a Volunteer offense that is incredibly difficult to stop. But he had a 127.01 passer rating last year (as opposed to Kelly, who boasted a 155.86 rating), tossed 15 touchdowns to Kelly's 31 and is not nearly as accomplished a passer as his position mate in Oxford.

That's not to say that Dobbs can't get there. He can. I'm a firm believer in Tennessee's passing problems being more rooted in an underdeveloped and under-coached wide receiving corps than with Dobbs.

But having him over Kelly prior to the 2016 season is a joke.
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His mistake and yours is that this selection is for the 2016 season not 2015. There is no guarantee Kelly has the same year he had last year. Same with Dobbs.

Bringing up last year is IRRELEVANT.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
His mistake and yours is that this selection is for the 2016 season not 2015. There is no guarantee Kelly has the same year he had last year. Same with Dobbs.

Bringing up last year is IRRELEVANT.
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This is so bewildering absurd I almost wonder if it's a joke. It's based on what HAS ACTUALLY HAPPENED to project further. Nobody is guaranteeing anything but people can absolutely make rational observations based on previous occurrence.

If you're serious about what you posit here you are now unable to issue any statement about anything in any way predicated on what has happened previously. Ponder that for a moment, carefully.
 
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hndog609 said:
This is so bewildering absurd I almost wonder if it's a joke. It's based on what HAS ACTUALLY HAPPENED to project further. Nobody is guaranteeing anything but people can absolutely make rational observations based on previous occurrence.

If you're serious about what you posit here you are now unable to issue any statement about anything in any way predicated on what has happened previously. Ponder that for a moment, carefully.
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You can. You just have to look at their abs. That's how you project. :)


:) :eek:lol: :eek:hmy: :eek:lol: :)
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
His mistake and yours is that this selection is for the 2016 season not 2015. There is no guarantee Kelly has the same year he had last year. Same with Dobbs.

Bringing up last year is IRRELEVANT.
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Ok. So scrub every preseason all-American list, every All-SEC/All-Conference list, every Heisman watchlist, every NFL draft analyst projection list, etc, etc. If you're good with that, I am as well....just know that that's how they build all those lists...it's about 99% based on players' past performances. Otherwise, based on the "eye test", Johnny McCrary looks better than DeShaun Watson running around in pregame in his uniform.

And recall that Tennessee players Dormady and Kelly aren't on the Heisman Odds list....Dobbs and Hurd are. Why is that? QD is bigger and throws a better ball than Dobbs in skeleton drills and Kelly looks much more like a prototype 2016 RB than Hurd who looks more like a TE or OLB.

Also, you better make sure you reference NO stats and NONE of these lists in your arguments on here, cause you might just get called on it. Just stick with those great eyes of yours.
 
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