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#51
#51
A lot depends on recruiting and buy-in, but I think there is a good chance that they can win 7 or 8 games next year, based on a few facts, as follows. The schedule is still difficult, but probably a little easier (BYU instead of WV, although UAB may be tough, and 2 open dates). Also Lock and Shurmur graduate, and probably Snell leaves for NFL. Not sure about Smith, but Kennedy should be back and probably some OLine and other recruits with high potential. Good coaches usually show improvement in their second year, for example Saban at Bama, 7-6 first, then 12-2 second, Smart at Ga, 8-5 then 13-2. This is not to say Pruitt will get 10 or more wins, as the overall talent level is lower than those teams and the culture was significantly damaged by previous coaches, but I think 7 or 8 wins are possible next year. And by the way, the Sagarin ratings show UT with the #2 most difficult schedule this year, which adds to the difficullty of bringing a team together, something people seem to want to overlook.
 
#53
#53
A lot depends on recruiting and buy-in, but I think there is a good chance that they can win 7 or 8 games next year, based on a few facts, as follows. The schedule is still difficult, but probably a little easier (BYU instead of WV, although UAB may be tough, and 2 open dates). Also Lock and Shurmur graduate, and probably Snell leaves for NFL. Not sure about Smith, but Kennedy should be back and probably some OLine and other recruits with high potential. Good coaches usually show improvement in their second year, for example Saban at Bama, 7-6 first, then 12-2 second, Smart at Ga, 8-5 then 13-2. This is not to say Pruitt will get 10 or more wins, as the overall talent level is lower than those teams and the culture was significantly damaged by previous coaches, but I think 7 or 8 wins are possible next year.[



Anything is possible, but not very likely to win 7-8 games next year, highly unlikely
 
#54
#54
How do players get this attitude where laying down and quitting is acceptable? When did that become a thing? I've never seen such but these past couple of years is crazy. I dunno who the new OC is going to be and really don't care anymore. I just hope Pruitt and company can get some players in here with attitude, players that can be coached. Next year if I see players not laying down and quitting then I'll think there might be some hope for the future however distant that might be. And I hope these '18 and '19 recruits dont get poisoned by a bunch of overrated 5 star hearts.
 
#56
#56
I'll try to keep this to an approachable length. My attention span is likely as far gone as many of yours are at this point. But please, save the tl;dr schtick for the kiddie pool.

The tl;dr is "we're going to be alright." There, now you can go.

Without going into all the boring details, my dissertation work is on transition, transaction, persistence, and grit in performance-related fields. Observing the team from a distance limits my accuracy tremendously, but I believe these four items are at play right in front of us. How I see the staff handling them is what keeps me positive.

1. Transition. There are three stages to transition, and the older players look like they are stuck in the first stage (starting to transition). This is usually marked by extreme difficulty adjusting to new environments or expectations. Many of these older kids didn't transition for CBJ either; the ones stuck in transition tend to be those who weren't used to sharing the spotlight with anyone else at the high school level. Primadonnas tend to want to maintain their primadonna identities. Teams built around them often falter when the player moves on because the entire team has to transition to fit the next big recruiting catch rather than the other way around. Expect to see less of this and more completed transitions (aka buy-in) as Pruitt and staff evaluate talent on ability to integrate as well as just raw talent. Completed transitions by a greater number of players lead to more efficient...

2. Transaction. Athletics are built around transactional relationships. A coaching staff and their team exists in a symbiotic relationship. The coaching staff provides training and exposure to the players, who are then supposed to put on display what they've been taught. When they display what they were taught at a high enough level, the coaching staff is able to move to next-level skills. The performance of the players also helps to bring notoriety to the coaches, who can then recruit a higher echelon of players. When Pruitt kicked the board on the sideline early in the season, it was out of frustration that the unit was failing to perform what they'd been taught; the transactional relationship had broken down. Personnel who are stuck in transition are notorious for contributing to a breakdown of the transactional process and make it more difficult for those who are committed to overcome the mess that's been created. Like a cog in a watch or clock, one broken cog tooth is all it takes to throw the whole thing out of whack. Traditionally, it's up to the players / personnel to fit into the transactional expectations of the coach / CEO / director. Primadonnas and go-it-alone players are especially dangerous. Pruitt has been brought up in effective systems that removed or mitigated the effects of aberrant participants, and we can see some signs of that happening here.

3. Persistence and grit. These are two sides of the same coin but are still markedly different. Persistence is related to how an individual handles external issues to get where they want to go, while grit is largely an internal dialogue and reaction. Players who have been handed everything in the past and not expected to earn their place on the squad outside of their raw ability often have low persistence metrics because they have't had to push through external difficulties. Bad press, pressure from another player nipping at their heels in the depth chart, and struggles with life away from the field put players in the position to demonstrate their ability to persist in the face of adversity. Grit is the inner dialogue; pushing through doubts, staying focused on the end result instead of being trapped by what ifs and why did Is, Grit can be taught; good coaches do it all the time. Persistence has to be learned the hard way of actually dealing with the issues at hand.

This year's Vols had plenty opportunities to demonstrate persistence, but when it came down to it they were lacking the wherewithal to push through to the other side. A lack of grit by many players was evident on the field tonight, but there is more and more being demonstrated by the younger members of the team. Assuming Pruitt can continue to lock down players who are willing to transition fully into the team's group identity and the incoming players feel they are receiving a quality product from Pruitt and staff and reciprocate with high-quality gameplay, we should see marked improvements next year and beyond.

It's easy to look at Mullen and Florida and be pissed off that we don't have that level of success this year. I wanted it, too. Florida didn't have the pernicious, program-sapping personnel issues because they had a stable of players who were more willing to transition into a new team ethos than we did. As CBJ's players matriculate out, we'll likely see greater buy-in, better play, and less of the team giving up in tough situations. We're going to be alright.

So its the players fault we lost to Vandy???
 
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#58
#58
I hope better times are coming.

Could you imagine waiting another five years and having to start over again? It's already been a decade since we fielded winning teams.
 
#59
#59
Without question the players fault, quitting is the new norm at UT, unfortunately

Not disagreeing but frankly the UT 2nd/3rd team starters are as skilled as the 1st team Vandy players, QB aside, that guy was good. No reason to play quitters in this particular game. Even if they quit I would expect it to be an even match and not a blow out. Bottom line is no excuse works vs Vandy.
 
#60
#60
I think at this point in time we have to give Pruitt 5-6 years minimum....we can’t just keep firing coaches because winning isn’t instantaneous...

We have reached the bottom...no quick fixes...
 
#62
#62
Wasn’t Frost,like,4-8 this year?

He was. But the point is, look at how his season played out. The first half of their season was like the last two games of the Vol's season, but the ship was turning around. By the end of the season, they were the kind of team nobody wants to play.
 
#63
#63
Scott Frost went 4-8 in a weaker conference. Do you guys even watch college football, or do you just come on here to complain and try to make the situation worse than it is?

Compare this season with where they were last year. By the end of the year, they were a decent team.
 
#64
#64
2017= 4-8
2018= 5-7
2019= 6-6
2020= 7-5
2021= 8-4
2022= 9-3
2023= 10-2
2024 = 11-1
2025= 12-0

In 7 to 8 years we will be playing for final four slots
He won't be here long enough for that to happen...I just don't think he has what it takes.
 
#65
#65
Yet another "everything" is fine thread without any evidence of anything being fine. Once again people, nothing about the guy screams "championships".
 
#66
#66
There is a point in the fall of great programs like USC, Nebraska, Texas where they keep up appearances as long as possible but the recruits see thru the sham. Its at that point the program can no longer recruit on character/needs and take who they want. Instead they just start taking what they can get, which is what UT has been doing the last 6 years. They take who they can get and try to mold it into something while the competition just reloads, builds depth and continues on. This process gets worse with every additional coaching hire. The question now becomes, can Pruitt recruit to needs under these worsening conditions?
 
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#68
#68
Pruitt will not be given that much time with the rate of improvement at one game per season. Besides that, what does that say about his development as a coach?


Johnny Majors was given that much time . He was hired in 1977 and went 4-7, 5-5-1, 7-5, 5-6, 8-4, 6-5-1, 9-3, 7-4-1, 9-1-2 (SEC title), 7-5, 10-2-1, and then opened the next year 0-6 before winning the next 5.

I think as bad as the program was when Majors took over, it was worse when Pruitt got here. Plus, the schedule is much tougher today than it was in the 70s and 80s. I"m not saying Pruitt is the guy. But, if he can prove to be a solid recruiter and can show improvement next year, maybe you give him the same chance you gave Majors.

Let's be honest, at the end of last year, Tennessee had sunk to some of the lowest levels of any program in SEC history. You can't do much worse than 0-8 in SEC play. This year they won 2 SEC games vs ranked teams and played South Carolina close but they were blown out of the other 5 SEC games and the other Power 5 team they played. The talent level is at an all time low in Tennessee history. All of that to say: It's gonna take a while.
 
#69
#69
It doesn't matter. I'm cashing in my tokens for UT football. So better times are coming for me as a result of that. I will enjoy the BBall Vols, who have shown their desire to excel over expectations and give all they have got and then some. If FB ever experiences a turnaround, then I will pay attention again. I'm not counting on it, though, and won't lose any sleep waiting for it.

Should have known after that cluster**** during the last FB coaching search that the aftershocks gave no hint of better times to come. The entire FB program is diseased with no cure on the horizon.
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#71
#71
Not disagreeing but frankly the UT 2nd/3rd team starters are as skilled as the 1st team Vandy players, QB aside, that guy was good. No reason to play quitters in this particular game. Even if they quit I would expect it to be an even match and not a blow out. Bottom line is no excuse works vs Vandy.

Wrong, wrong, wrong. You people living in a dream world where Tennessee has better players than Vandy need to wake up to reality. Vandy owns us 5 of the last 7 and currently 3 wins in a row. Vandy has better players than us. Everyone in the SEC has better players than us. There are Division II teams with superior attitude and talent. We're the absolue worst in the SEC for 2 years running now. We are what Vandy used to be. That's what Pruitt has to try and sort out, that's reality.
 
#72
#72
Wrong, wrong, wrong. You people living in a dream world where Tennessee has better players than Vandy need to wake up to reality. Vandy owns us 5 of the last 7 and currently 3 wins in a row. Vandy has better players than us. Everyone in the SEC has better players than us. There are Division II teams with superior attitude and talent. We're the absolue worst in the SEC for 2 years running now. We are what Vandy used to be. That's what Pruitt has to try and sort out, that's reality.

That logic says the majority of 4 and 5 star players we have recruited are actually less than 3 star players and the majority of 2 and 3 star players recruited by Vandy are actually 4 star players or higher. You might be right but that would be the boondoggle of the century.
 
#75
#75
I like 6-6 if pruitt can dump the quitters

I like Pruittt at 6-6 with a good hire at O C, an improved O Line and a different Q B
I don't see us beating BYU or Mississippi State. I see 3 non conference wins. Where are the other 3 SEC wins?
Bama? Florida? UGA?
Missouri without Lock? Vandy without Shurmur? Ky? USC?
 
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