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mrorange211 said:
You know what other ratings were really really good? Seinfeld's season finale. And it sucked. The Voice gets good ratings almost every week. And it sucks. The list can go on and on. Ratings do not indicate a good show; if that's your argument than BB should have been canned in Season 1 as well as The Walking Dead, The Wire, etc. Move along.
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Nah! I'll stay right here. The Wire never had good ratings btw. That SEASON and EPISODE built word of mouth and it resulted in RATINGS. AMC built itself into an almost unique niche by sticking with promising shows DESPITE ratings but we don't get the Breaking Bads and Mad Mens without an eventual breakthrough...and that brings us back to the season that culminated in this episode. It's cool and edgy to meh plots that lead to something because you wouldn't write it if you had talent. NOBODY predicted that finale and it was awesome along with the cause and effect that prompted it. We got to see that final epic season because of this plot you want to crap on. Rubicon wishes it had had something that would generate a SECOND season and Hell On Wheels is petering out because just being a good/great show isn't good enough for long...gotta sell coffee.
 
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mrorange211 said:
You know what other ratings were really really good? Seinfeld's season finale. And it sucked. The Voice gets good ratings almost every week. And it sucks. The list can go on and on. Ratings do not indicate a good show; if that's your argument than BB should have been canned in Season 1 as well as The Walking Dead, The Wire, etc. Move along.
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The Walking Dead's first season ratings set records, so that one shouldn't be in your list.
 
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Also the ratings for BB weren't very good in Season 2 and it almost got cancelled.

And FTR, Hell on Wheels' ratings have been pretty good and around the same as BB's and Mad Men's. It's ending because they've decided to, AMC wasn't cancelling it.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Also the ratings for BB weren't very good in Season 2 and it almost got cancelled.

And FTR, Hell on Wheels' ratings have been pretty good and around the same as BB's and Mad Men's. It's ending because they've decided to, AMC wasn't cancelling it.
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"Pretty good" is relative. I was/am a big fan...not enough of me out there.

The ratings for Hell on Wheels have dropped lower and lower so AMC decided to end the series with season five. Will the fifth season’s ratings be the show’s best numbers yet or, will they drop lower. Will the execs regret not cancelling the show instead of giving it a final season? Stay tuned..

Hell on Wheels TV show on AMC: ratings (cancelled)
 
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butchna said:
"Pretty good" is relative. I was/am a big fan...not enough of me out there.

The ratings for Hell on Wheels have dropped lower and lower so AMC decided to end the series with season five. Will the fifth season’s ratings be the show’s best numbers yet or, will they drop lower. Will the execs regret not cancelling the show instead of giving it a final season? Stay tuned..

Hell on Wheels TV show on AMC: ratings (cancelled)
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And relative to other AMC shows, Hell on Wheels has had good ratings. They've been WAY better than Turn and Halt and Catch Fire and those were given new seasons, so obviously it's not all about ratings. It's ratings are about as good as BCS' right now and were comparable to BB's up to the last final half season. Plus if you want to talk "relative", those ratings are on a Saturday night compared to Sunday and Monday for the other shows, Saturday night is notoriously harder to draw viewers.

Plus your link makes no sense, it claims because ratings were "lower" in Season 5 they decided to end the series, but a link in the very same article on the very same site from a year earlier stated in 2014 they decided Season 5 would be the last one. Ratings obviously had little to do with it considering said link had AMC stating they were pleased with the ratings.

Hell on Wheels TV show: canceled, renewed for season 5

‘Hell On Wheels’ Renewed For Fifth & Final Season By AMC | Deadline
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
And relative to other AMC shows, Hell on Wheels has had good ratings. They've been WAY better than Turn and Halt and Catch Fire and those were given new seasons, so obviously it's not all about ratings. It's ratings are about as good as BCS' right now and were comparable to BB's up to the last final half season. Plus if you want to talk "relative", those ratings are on a Saturday night compared to Sunday and Monday for the other shows, Saturday night is notoriously harder to draw viewers.

Plus your link makes no sense, it claims because ratings were "lower" in Season 5 they decided to end the series, but a link in the very same article on the very same site from a year earlier stated in 2014 they decided Season 5 would be the last one. Ratings obviously had little to do with it considering said link had AMC stating they were pleased with the ratings.

Hell on Wheels TV show: canceled, renewed for season 5

‘Hell On Wheels’ Renewed For Fifth & Final Season By AMC | Deadline
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Decreasing rankings each season led to AMC making the decision that the fifth season would be the last...that was in there. Contradicts your "pretty good" point. I stated in a previous post that AMC gives promising shows a chance...way more than any network usually does. I watched religiously and wondered why enough others didn't. Hence my confusion when you stressed the opposite...just wasn't true. It was obvious in the previous season and the first half of this one that the writers and producers knew their leash was running out. They wrote it towards a conclusion. And fun fact! THAT'S WHEN IT MOVED TO SATURDAYS! Shame that Netflix wasn't doing the heavy lifting of original programming when this came out...or Amazon Prime...both could have made it even grittier and it's suited to binge watching. Agree on Halt and Catch Fire...snoozefest...AMC still has given it a lot if reign...as is their wont.
 
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butchna said:
Decreasing rankings each season led to AMC making the decision that the fifth season would be the last...that was in there. Contradicts your "pretty good" point. .
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‘Hell On Wheels’ Renewed For Fifth & Final Season By AMC | Deadline

AMC’s decision to set an end date for Hell On Wheels is surprising. The show opened up a new night of original programming for the network on the low-trafficked Saturday and has held up well there — it actually grew its audience in the move from Sunday. Hell On Wheels‘ current season is delivering an average of 3.4 million viewers in Live+3 to date. That is up a fraction from the Season 3 average of 3.3 million viewers. “With season five of Hell On Wheels, we are proud to bring our trans-continental journey to conclusion for the large, loyal audience that has traveled with Cullen Bohannon and his crew for so many years,” said AMC President Charlie Collier. “We look forward to appropriately honoring Hell On Wheels in this final season.”
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Season 3 to Season 4 ratings were actually up. So no, I wasn't "contradicted", and it wasn't "declining ratings".
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
‘Hell On Wheels’ Renewed For Fifth & Final Season By AMC | Deadline



Season 3 to Season 4 ratings were actually up. So no, I wasn't "contradicted", and it wasn't "declining ratings".
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It said they dropped each season...which was what I dreaded...each season. AMC gave it as much time as it could feasibly. Maybe with enough buzz and reasonably decent ratings it would have been only a year or two off on the run anyways. 7 would have been the most likely target IMO. All these years of wondering why this show didn't resonate with the masses didn't prepare me for someone insisting it did. :hmm:
 
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butchna said:
It said they dropped each season...which was what I dreaded...each season. AMC gave it as much time as it could feasibly. Maybe with enough buzz and reasonably decent ratings it would have been only a year or two off on the run anyways. 7 would have been the most likely target IMO. All these years of wondering why this show didn't resonate with the masses didn't prepare me for someone insisting it did. :hmm:
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I forgot I was trying to discuss something with a troll. I literally just posted and bolded that Season 3 to Season 4 the ratings didn't drop and yet you keep repeating they did.

Discussing with you is a waste of time.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
I forgot I was trying to discuss something with a troll. I literally just posted and bolded that Season 3 to Season 4 the ratings didn't drop and yet you keep repeating they did.

Discussing with you is a waste of time.
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You abhor anyone disagreeing with you and label them "stalkers" if your post was first and "trolls" otherwise. I posted the article that said declining ratings led to the network's decision. It's disingenuous to suggest that there were acceptable ratings and buzz around Hell On Wheels to keep it going...just not true. All of this stems from my defending a noteworthy episode on BB that led to increasing viewership that led to a full run of an epic series. My argument wasn't that a series couldn't be great without good/great ratings...that was mischaracterized by the other poster. If HOW had a similar groundswell of viewership, it would have received another year or two to properly conclude it's story. It was "worth it" for me to make my own point...your usual flying off the handle reaction is just a bonus. :)
 
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I understand all the foreshadowing to BB, but I'm enjoying the stories that don't directly link to the BB tale more.
 
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I'm really glad this show is focusing on Mike as much as Saul. Both Odenkirk and Banks are killing it in their roles and I'm assuming both will get Emmy noms again.

I also can't believe there's only 4 episodes left.
 
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So any theories on how Mike's story is going to go? I guess he's going to meet Gus through Salamanca, but why? How does Mike reveal himself to be a player without raising questions about the "coincidental" encounter with Tuco? I assume Nacho gets got. Is it because he's caught for dealing on the side?
 
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n_huffhines said:
So any theories on how Mike's story is going to go? I guess he's going to meet Gus through Salamanca, but why? How does Mike reveal himself to be a player without raising questions about the "coincidental" encounter with Tuco? I assume Nacho gets got. Is it because he's caught for dealing on the side?
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When Saul first appeared on BB, the scene when Jessie and Walt try to intimidate him, I think I remember him uttering "did Nacho send you?" Have to go back and look. If so that leaves a lot of intrigue.
 
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n_huffhines said:
So any theories on how Mike's story is going to go? I guess he's going to meet Gus through Salamanca, but why? How does Mike reveal himself to be a player without raising questions about the "coincidental" encounter with Tuco? I assume Nacho gets got. Is it because he's caught for dealing on the side?
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Mike's story arc is intriguing. Right now, I don't really think of him as a Villain. I think of him as doing marginally illegall things as long as it benefits his granddaughter. Certainly, that isn't the Mike we see in Breaking Bad. So somewhere along the line, he gives up the notion of doing things on the outskirts of law to outright committing felonies, killing people, etc and he becomes the villain that we are accustomed to. In a way, Jimmy slowly becomes who mike currently is; Someone who is willing to operate outside the margins of society and our laws. Mike further progresses into an outright bad guy.
 
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I was thinking about that yesterday. Hector Salamanca's got respect for Mike's "juevos" in his dealings with the cartel, and probably has guessed he's not just some old man. My guess was the cartel has a job that may be messy. They want someone competent, but disposable it if goes bad.

As far as Nacho goes, I was thinking Tuco may play the mad dog stare looking into his eyes and calls him out, or the 25k Mike gave Nacho gets discovered somehow.
 
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McDad said:
Mike's story arc is intriguing. Right now, I don't really think of him as a Villain. I think of him as doing marginally illegall things as long as it benefits his granddaughter. Certainly, that isn't the Mike we see in Breaking Bad. So somewhere along the line, he gives up the notion of doing things on the outskirts of law to outright committing felonies, killing people, etc and he becomes the villain that we are accustomed to. In a way, Jimmy slowly becomes who mike currently is; Someone who is willing to operate outside the margins of society and our laws. Mike further progresses into an outright bad guy.
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I know he played a bad guy role in Breaking Bad, but he was my favorite character. I didn't think of him as a villain then. Like Walt he was doing what he could for his family. The difference was for Walt it grew beyond that. Walt wanted to be his own empire where Mike seemed pretty content just being a soldier for Gus.

They could have done whole episodes that were nothing but Mike babysitting Walt and Jesse. I'm looking forward to seeing Mike and Saul Goodman's business relationship grow.
 
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McDad said:
Mike's story arc is intriguing. Right now, I don't really think of him as a Villain. I think of him as doing marginally illegall things as long as it benefits his granddaughter. Certainly, that isn't the Mike we see in Breaking Bad. So somewhere along the line, he gives up the notion of doing things on the outskirts of law to outright committing felonies, killing people, etc and he becomes the villain that we are accustomed to. In a way, Jimmy slowly becomes who mike currently is; Someone who is willing to operate outside the margins of society and our laws. Mike further progresses into an outright bad guy.
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Mike's a lot like Tony Soprano from a personal standpoint, is he a good guy who does bad things to make a living; or a bad guy with an occasional soft moment? Probably both, opportunistic and prudent. Makes for a fascinating character.
 
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TheDeeble said:
I know he played a bad guy role in Breaking Bad, but he was my favorite character. I didn't think of him as a villain then. Like Walt he was doing what he could for his family. The difference was for Walt it grew beyond that. Walt wanted to be his own empire where Mike seemed pretty content just being a soldier for Gus.

They could have done whole episodes that were nothing but Mike babysitting Walt and Jesse. I'm looking forward to seeing Mike and Saul Goodman's business relationship grow.
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Walt had settled contentedly into cooking for Gus... Getting compensated with a secure environment. Some viewers forget that arrangement went sideways when Gus's dealers executed Jessie's GF's kid brother when Jessie demanded that he not work for them. He was confronting them and they were getting ready to wack him when Walt intervened and broke his window again. :) So Gus chose his dealers over his cook and had Gale learning the Blue recipe before he authorized Mike to execute Walt. So in essence, this butthurt drug lord got his feelings hurt and made a bad business decision off of it. And Mike would have just been a goon. Walt ENDED UP wanting to control his product, but if Gus had been more professional a lot of people (innocent and scum) would have lived.
 
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