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Thunder Good-Oil said:
That's how I'd interpret it. Chewing them out is just piling on. The players are already unhappy because they're losing. It's actually maybe brilliant psychology by Barnes. Be harder on them when things don't seem to be too bad and don't pile on when times are tough. Fans don't like to see it, but IMO Barnes isn't too concerned about the fan's opinions.
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I see it as "players are being lazy and not doing what they're supposed to, I'm not going to waste my time/energy". Apathy from a coach towards his players is one of the worst things as a player. Just wish it'd get through their heads.
 
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whobethis16 said:
I see it as "players are being lazy and not doing what they're supposed to, I'm not going to waste my time/energy". Apathy from a coach towards his players is one of the worst things as a player. Just wish it'd get through their heads.
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He didn't chew them out in game... but he dressed them down pretty hard in his post game comments. The local, second and third team radio guys are really stirring it up over what Barnes said and didn't say. Basilio is currently trying to get a rise out of his minions by jumping on Desmond Oliver's comments to boosters about TN's recruiting evaluations.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
He didn't chew them out in game... but he dressed them down pretty hard in his post game comments. The local, second and third team radio guys are really stirring it up over what Barnes said and didn't say. Basilio is currently trying to get a rise out of his minions by jumping on Desmond Oliver's comments to boosters about TN's recruiting evaluations.
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Need more deets.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
I didn't listen. What are desmond oliver's comments?
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It was something about TN does their own evaluations and doesn't need 4 stars and 5 stars. It was a comment by Desmond Oliver in some pre-game meet and great that the high dollar boosters get. As usual, I suspect that Basilio has twisted the actual words and intent around and is making it sound worse than it really was. Basilio said that a booster texted him right after it happened and Basilio is playing all outraged. Then brings up the one sentence that Oliver said a year or two ago about Barnes having earned the right to not recruit. Not really what he meant... but it's fuel to fire up his loyal group of dolts. John Tweet and Philly especially. I'm sure it will he re-hashed on Russell W at 3.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
It was something about TN does their own evaluations and doesn't need 4 stars and 5 stars. It was a comment by Desmond Oliver in some pre-game meet and great that the high dollar boosters get. As usual, I suspect that Basilio has twisted the actual words and intent around and is making it sound worse than it really was. Basilio said that a booster texted him right after it happened and Basilio is playing all outraged. Then brings up the one sentence that Oliver said a year or two ago about Barnes having earned the right to not recruit. Not really what he meant... but it's fuel to fire up his loyal group of dolts. John Tweet and Philly especially. I'm sure it will he re-hashed on Russell W at 3.
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Isn't this the narrative that all the Barnes sheep are buying? Isn't this what we've been sold on here?
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Isn't this the narrative that all the Barnes sheep are buying? Isn't this what we've been sold on here?
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Barnes sheep. Nice.

Need the exact words (and exactly what message was intended).

I don't think that CRB is passing on 4s and 5s... just not allocating too many resources going after what was likely unattainable. I think that it's been unlikely to have gotten the ones without baggage over the last couple of years. As things progress the ratings of the targets seem to be getting higher. Isn't Simmons a 5 star? What was Yurtseven and the other European?

I believe that the philosophy has been to not heavily target players that won't be in the program for very long. Every recruiting opportunity is unique though. I don't think that any one-and-dones that have an interest in TN are going to be ignored. I think that the philosophy is to prioritize the fit and potential instead of the number of stars. A 3 star with upside and a great attitude is likely favored over a fully mature 4 star that's not exhibiting a team first attitude.
 
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Stoked said:
No I think we need Simmons more than a big that can score. I think we'll be fine down low next year with Williams, Alexander, Fulkerson, Walker, and Kent.

I think we'll see major improvement with Fulkerson and Walker, and Kent will probably be another year away.
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I sure hope you're right. I know Fulkerson, Kent and Walker are young, but Kyle is a senior who may show up with offense every 5th game or so. I just haven't seen any consistent offensive skill set to match with Williams down low. Kent looks super soft. Put a true high 4* power forward or center with offensive skills with Williams, and you've got a real force down there.
 
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PACKERVOL said:
I sure hope you're right. I know Fulkerson, Kent and Walker are young, but Kyle is a senior who may show up with offense every 5th game or so. I just haven't seen any consistent offensive skill set to match with Williams down low. Kent looks super soft. Put a true high 4* power forward or center with offensive skills with Williams, and you've got a real force down there.
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Junior
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
I don't think that CRB is passing on 4s and 5s... just not allocating too many resources going after what was likely unattainable. I think that it's been unlikely to have gotten the ones without baggage over the last couple of years. As things progress the ratings of the targets seem to be getting higher. Isn't Simmons a 5 star? What was Yurtseven and the other European?

I believe that the philosophy has been to not heavily target players that won't be in the program for very long. Every recruiting opportunity is unique though. I don't think that any one-and-dones that have an interest in TN are going to be ignored. I think that the philosophy is to prioritize the fit and potential instead of the number of stars. A 3 star with upside and a great attitude is likely favored over a fully mature 4 star that's not exhibiting a team first attitude.
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There's about 25 5* players each year and then there's about 100 4* players behind those. That's 125 players each class in the 4* - 5* ranking. 4 classes in the Barnes era with 500 players meeting that ranking and we have signed 1. Even if you just say 3 classes since he got here late for the first class then it's 375 players and he's signed one.

Take the 5* guys out of it. You're still talking 300-400 4* players and the only one he's signed is Yves Pons who didn't even have a recruiting profile when his recruitment got serious which was after the early signing period.

So I'm not sure what you're getting mad at Tony for??? You're on here defending Barnes position of targeting low ranked players.
 
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PACKERVOL said:
I sure hope you're right. I know Fulkerson, Kent and Walker are young, but Kyle is a senior who may show up with offense every 5th game or so. I just haven't seen any consistent offensive skill set to match with Williams down low. Kent looks super soft. Put a true high 4* power forward or center with offensive skills with Williams, and you've got a real force down there.
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I didn't realize how much time Fulkerson has missed. He was out for something like 9 months.

I'm sure that you meant Alexander will be a senior rather than is a senior.

I think that best available whether inside or perimeter is the plan. If equal I'd think an outside oriented scorer is what's wanted or needed more. Draw more attention away from Williams/Walker/Fulkerson or others down low (Pons/Kent).
 
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BigZiti09 said:
There's about 25 5* players each year and then there's about 100 4* players behind those. That's 125 players each class in the 4* - 5* ranking. 4 classes in the Barnes era with 500 players meeting that ranking and we have signed 1. Even if you just say 3 classes since he got here late for the first class then it's 375 players and he's signed one.

Take the 5* guys out of it. You're still talking 300-400 4* players and the only one he's signed is Yves Pons who didn't even have a recruiting profile when his recruitment got serious which was after the early signing period.

So I'm not sure what you're getting mad at Tony for??? You're on here defending Barnes position of targeting low ranked players.
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Part of the deal is when you get 4-year guys, unless you're wanting to get the reputation of bringing in a 4-year guy and then disposing them after a year or two, you have them for 4 years, which reduces the number of spots you have available. As was pointed out, we have 1 spot available for 2018. And he's in the running to get a 5* for it. Now, if when all these current guys are leaving, and he still gets only 3*, you'll have a point. But that big class are just in year 2, leaving no room to get guys.
 
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whobethis16 said:
Part of the deal is when you get 4-year guys, unless you're wanting to get the reputation of bringing in a 4-year guy and then disposing them after a year or two, you have them for 4 years, which reduces the number of spots you have available. As was pointed out, we have 1 spot available for 2018. And he's in the running to get a 5* for it. Now, if when all these current guys are leaving, and he still gets only 3*, you'll have a point. But that big class are just in year 2, leaving no room to get guys.
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^^^^This is bending over backwards to excuse poor recruiting.

4* players are 4 year guys in most cases btw.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
There's about 25 5* players each year and then there's about 100 4* players behind those. That's 125 players each class in the 4* - 5* ranking. 4 classes in the Barnes era with 500 players meeting that ranking and we have signed 1. Even if you just say 3 classes since he got here late for the first class then it's 375 players and he's signed one.

Take the 5* guys out of it. You're still talking 300-400 4* players and the only one he's signed is Yves Pons who didn't even have a recruiting profile when his recruitment got serious which was after the early signing period.

So I'm not sure what you're getting mad at Tony for??? You're on here defending Barnes position of targeting low ranked players.
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Targeting "low ranked" players isn't accurate.

I don't think that it makes any difference if #125 is signed instead of #126. Probably not much difference between #75 and #150 either.

Basilio's rant is about the "top 100". He brings it up every day. Every time TN basketball is brought up he preaches that same, tired narrative. He's simply stirring up the same **** because he has a band of idjits lapping it up.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
^^^^This is bending over backwards to excuse poor recruiting.

4* players are 4 year guys in most cases btw.
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You're whining about his current recruiting when he has no spots. Kinda hard to fill something when you don't have room.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Targeting "low ranked" players isn't accurate.

I don't think that it makes any difference if #125 is signed instead of #126. Probably not much difference between #75 and #150 either.

Basilio's rant is about the "top 100". He brings it up every day. Every time TN basketball is brought up he preaches that same, tired narrative. He's simply stirring up the same **** because he has a band of idjits lapping it up.
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I don't care what Basilio says. You are pretty much the only one on this forum who listens to him regularly.

We don't have enough talent on the roster and the main reason for it is because we haven't targeted the highly ranked guys enough and haven't worked hard enough on the recruiting trail.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Those are the low end 4 stars that are pretty much the same as the high 3 stars btw.
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Uh, no.

There's 100 4* guys every year.

How many spots in the draft? How many of those go to 5* guys? How many go to international players?

4* players are mostly 4 year guys.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
I don't care what Basilio says. You are pretty much the only one on this forum who listens to him regularly.

We don't have enough talent on the roster and the main reason for it is because we haven't targeted the highly ranked guys enough and haven't worked hard enough on the recruiting trail.
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if you don't care why do you address it?
 
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whobethis16 said:
And last year he filled it with the leading scorer in the whole NCAA. And a 4*.
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Actually he filled 5 spots last year. 6 spots the year before that.

He has at least one spot available in this class. Will no doubt sign another before it's all said and done though.
 
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