Bama and UGA RE: Portal

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sjt18 said:
Am I alone in being surprised at how many guys are entering the portal from these programs? A month ago I would have agree with many that programs with turmoil or that were losing a lot would lose more talent. But a lot of talented guys seem to be leaving these two elite programs.

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Because they have a ring(s), now they need to go somewhere to be able to put some tape out there for a shot at the league.
 
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sjt18 said:
Am I alone in being surprised at how many guys are entering the portal from these programs? A month ago I would have agree with many that programs with turmoil or that were losing a lot would lose more talent. But a lot of talented guys seem to be leaving these two elite programs.

Thoughts on why?
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Bama players used to understand they committed, stayed 2 years and learned, and played 1 year or 2 and went to NFL. Now these players see everyone getting all of the ”portal love” and they have decided to get involved with the money and the love. It is all about the individual now, as I have said before, NFL JR. League. (I don’t like it, but it is 2022 college football). I still love it, but I will now golf and miss a lot more games (which I have never done).
 
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Fullfillmer said:
Seems pretty obvious why - the bigger question is why are we not landing any of them? Does anyone know if we even pursued any of them? They were way too deep in multiple areas - especially on defense - I am thinking we might could use additional help on defense. What am I missing ?
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they have all went in since the NCG completed and we have not pursued any. We are full and can't take anyone else until after the spring according to several who are aware. if anyone just happened to transfer out, not expected, then a spot would open up and they might make a move on someone. But I understand they are not pushing anyone except the DT from TCU who can't come until after spring. Tennessee is anticipating some transfers out after spring. We will see.
 
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volfanatic24 said:
i mean i dont get it. if i was getting recruited by a school that had 6, 4-5 star athletes at my position then i'm probably not going to go there. don't get me wrong i'm all for some competition, but i can also see the writing on the wall
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Who are the guys at ga or bama that we're 4 or 5 stars but didn't get drafted over playing time? The answer, no one. That's how Saban has found success, in the 90s and 2000s schools would use the "playing time" but Saban found a way to convince kids that being a depth player on the premier team is better than being a day 1 starter at NC State. Clemson followed that pattern and now ga too. UT needs to start winning if they want to recruit with the same message.
 
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tnutater said:
You a newby?
Pre-Madonna , pocket presents , and the like are a VolNation standard.
The comparison was used to show that everybody sucks hind teat talent wise to the big boys of college ball.
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I’ve seen it so much I don’t know who’s being ironic anymore.
 
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sjt18 said:
Am I alone in being surprised at how many guys are entering the portal from these programs? A month ago I would have agree with many that programs with turmoil or that were losing a lot would lose more talent. But a lot of talented guys seem to be leaving these two elite programs.

Thoughts on why?
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From now on, this is going to be the norm at most schools. Free agency, college style. Where loyalty used to be more of the norm? That is flying out the window. It will be heavier at any school changing coaches, but it will happen at differing levels at all schools, especially players who do not like guarding the waterbucket at the end of the bench and tackling anyone who comes near it. Or wearing a cap and carrying a clipboard.

And that is not hard to understand, especialy for the professional types and working class folks here to understand. If you take a job, and see a better opportunity to advance at another company? What would you do? If you do not feel properly utilized, are you staying there? Or are you going to explore your options? Former high school players who are accustomed to being an impact player do not like walking off the field in a clean uniform.

From now on, I believe players are going to be taking advantage of the transfer rule. Unless their coaches make sure they are given opportunities to play. And that is no guarentee they won't leave. See Tiyon Evans.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Seems to me this is the "evening things out" aspect of the portal.

For a year or two now, the narrative has been that "the rich will continue to get richer," both through NIL and the portal.

But these things have an ability to cut both ways.

Certainly the teams vying for a national title year after year do have a natural advantage signing more than their share of 5* and 4* talent. But keeping that talent from going somewhere else for playing time--remember, these are lads who are accustomed to playing all game long as leaders of their respective high school teams--that's more of a challenge.

So the rich get a little poorer, and the rest of the crowded field gain some riches.

Seems to be a nice balancing mechanism.


p.s. You're not alone in being a bit surprised at it, SJT. I was, as well, though it makes perfect sense.
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I'm not sure about that. Bama is losing kids that can't get on the field for them. Opens up room for 'ships and the portal. Bama then goes out and cherry picks the best of the portal. Seems like the portal is a real plus for the bama/ugas of the world.
 
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tnutater said:
Pre-Madonnas gonna Pre-Madonna.
At some point players realize they are not NFL level.
Players that leave prestigious programs for teams like Arkansas State or Tennessee are closer to that point.
NFL talent sees the field. Even at Alabama and Georgia.
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What do post-Madonnas do?

Boy bands?
 
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CAVPUT said:
I'm not sure about that. Bama is losing kids that can't get on the field for them. Opens up room for 'ships and the portal. Bama then goes out and cherry picks the best of the portal. Seems like the portal is a real plus for the bama/ugas of the world.
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The math is pretty clear.

Say you're a Bama, Georgia, or A&M. In a typical year, you recruit 5 five-stars and 15 four-stars. And assume all these lads are so good they're only going to play three years, then declare for the draft (it gets even more crowded in the locker room if they stay four).

So after a few years of this, you have at least 15 five-stars and 45 four-stars on the roster (any one or two others you might get from "cherry picking the portal" is just more crowding on top of an already over-crowded roster).

That totals at least 60 players (who could start at any program in the US) on your roster. But, not counting special teams, you can only start 22 of them.

That leaves 38 four- and five-star players who were superstars in high school, and now aren't even starting. Half of them aren't even getting any significant playing time.

No playing time as a four- or five-star super stud, that is going to rub the wrong way.

Used to be, they were kinda stuck there. Part of the huge benefit to such strong recruiting for a team like Bama was not only that you get to play some of them, but that the teams you compete with DON'T get any of them.

But that's not true any more. Now it's much easier to (a) move schools and (b) play immediately.

So it is not surprising, in retrospect, that 5-10 players from Bama and another 5-10 from Georgia are looking for a new home. What's surprising is that there aren't MORE. Up to 20 a year from each program would make sense. Go to Bama...compete for starting job...find out the coach favored the other guy...experience the playoffs, maybe win a championship...then switch to Choice B school and start for the next 2 or 3 years.

Sure, it may not hurt Bama or Georgia to lose these lads (except in reduced options among the back-ups). They didn't win the starting jobs. But "not quite good enough to beat out the other five-star" can still be "hella better than anything we've got" on the other 127 or so teams in division I.

So don't misunderstand: while it is an acceptable loss for Bama or UGa, it is a mother lode of potential improvement for everyone else. Even if Bama or UGa get first dibs, it is still spreading out the talent, over time, more than used to happen.


p.s. Honestly makes me wonder whether the more savvy coaching staffs of the other 127 programs out there will start saving a handful of spots beyond early signing day, just waiting to see whether any of the talent bleeding off the top three or four programs fits a need. LWS points out we are full, have no open spots right now. Perhaps in future years CJH and crew will save a spot or two....
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
I think these guys leaving can see they aren’t gonna get to play much. Unfortunately both teams will probably end up upgrading.
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I’d rather have a former 4-5* with two years in a college strength and conditioning program than a freshman 4-5*. Hopefully the portal balances out the richer and evens the playing field for teams like us if we can pull them in.
 
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