Averaged 13th in Recruiting

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Evol said:
Kiffin is in his 6th season at Ole Miss and still hasn’t won a true road game against a ranked opponent. Let that sink in.

P.S. Unless you want to count his 2023 win at #24 Tulane (yes, Tulane) in front of a crowd of 30,000. But I’d be embarrassed to claim that as my only road win against a ranked opponent in 6 seasons. I’d be even more embarrassed to be an SEC team playing AT Tulane.
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So many Kiffin boot lickers on this forum.

Hilarious.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
He did in 2017 and we said a final trio of Doeren, Jeremy Pruitt, and Mel Tucker were better candidates by a landslide.
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He has yet to win anything of significance, the very thing many complain about Huepel and even a handful are ready to fire him, though some won't just come out and say it. And Id bet they'd all trade for Kiffin right now, as I suspect you would.

He aint coming here. I don't think he will leave OM for anywhere but Bama, but thats my gut. If he does happen to surprise me and land at Florida itll be that much sweeter when we whip they ass every 2 years.
 
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Behr said:
He has yet to win anything of significance, the very thing many complain about Huepel and even a handful are ready to fire him, though some won't just come out and say it. And Id bet they'd all trade for Kiffin right now, as I suspect you would.

He aint coming here. I don't think he will leave OM for anywhere but Bama, but thats my gut. If he does happen to surprise me and land at Florida itll be that much sweeter when we whip they ass every 2 years.
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I think the issue here is he has topped out at Ole Miss where he’s winning 75% of games at a program with a 50-53% win rate all time and for whatever reason, he like other coaches at Ole Miss, have never recruited and built a defense.

It must be a curse or something.

The reason everyone is high on him for these big openings right now as “the guy” is because math says if he’s winning at a 50% higher clip than Ole Miss with a historical gap in resources and recruiting, he will likely continue the trend at a school that has unlimited resources.

What’s crazy is this is his last “tough” game today at OU. Win that and it’s a cakewalk to 11-1 and playoff berth. The fact he’s having to deal with media hyping “Lane and Florida” is not helpful lol.

In regards to trading Heupel for Kiffin right now, I’d take that trade. But I think that proposition is an embarrassment of riches. With that said, there are about 3-4 coaches I’d trade Heupel for.

What really scares me with Heupel right now is the appearance of complacency and lack of creativity. Even with the QB switch months ago and injuries, Heupel to me seems to have lost a bit of the creativity in his trademark specialty, offense, that was a staple as recent as 2023 with Milton.

Heupel more likely than not will get it back but this is the first time in his 5 years where the R/P words are being tossed out: Regression / Plateauing

Kiffin has at least kept it running in that regard with a new QB they heavily invested in and a D2 QB who’s running circles since he became starter. All on the back of losing a 3+ year starter.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
I think the issue here is he has topped out at Ole Miss where he’s winning 75% of games at a program with a 50-53% win rate all time and for whatever reason, he like other coaches at Ole Miss, have never recruited and built a defense.

It must be a curse or something.

The reason everyone is high on him for these big openings right now as “the guy” is because math says if he’s winning at a 50% higher clip than Ole Miss with a historical gap in resources and recruiting, he will likely continue the trend at a school that has unlimited resources.

What’s crazy is this is his last “tough” game today at OU. Win that and it’s a cakewalk to 11-1 and playoff berth. The fact he’s having to deal with media hyping “Lane and Florida” is not helpful lol.

In regards to trading Heupel for Kiffin right now, I’d take that trade. But I think that proposition is an embarrassment of riches. With that said, there are about 3-4 coaches I’d trade Heupel for.

What really scares me with Heupel right now is the appearance of complacency and lack of creativity. Even with the QB switch months ago and injuries, Heupel to me seems to have lost a bit of the creativity in his trademark specialty, offense, that was a staple as recent as 2023 with Milton.

Heupel more likely than not will get it back but this is the first time in his 5 years where the R/P words are being tossed out: Regression / Plateauing

Kiffin has at least kept it running in that regard with a new QB they heavily invested in and a D2 QB who’s running circles since he became starter. All on the back of losing a 3+ year starter.
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Its pretty bad when our fans make excuses for Huepel, wins and losses lol, but its on a whole different level when the people always yelling "stop making excuses for Huepel " are now making excuses for another SEC coach that they want but hasn't won any championships either.
 
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Jimmyandjoes said:
What is Vandys ranking? How can they be ranked top 10 in the country while not being ranked top 10 in recruiting? Indiana?
Sure it helps having more blue chips but it's not the only answer. Gotta develop. Gotta have buy in.
And you must learn how to tackle
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One of the things for Vandy and this is a big one IMO. Vanderbilt has the highest average age in the SEC maybe the nation sans BYU. A 23 & 24 year old just has more upstairs and raw strength than 18-19 year old's. Its not the only thing for Vandy give them their props a good coach and a winning QB that's not NFL talent but is a competitor and makes players around him play better. I think their QB who is in what, his 6th year I think he wills them to wins. Sometimes he tries too hard and screws up in red zone like vs Bama. He has been fortunate in all the other games barely getting the 1st down slipping out of sacks etc.. He didn't get all those breaks vs Bama and they lost 30 to 14.
I will be interested to see what Clark Lee can do next year when Pavia is gone. If he has a chance at money he better leave and take it IMO.
 
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@JMSqb11

Just remembered, one of those 3-4 others youd trade Heupel for is Mullen. Right?

You cant go to bat for him without making a ton of excuses for why he hasn't won anything of significance either.
 
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Behr said:
Its pretty bad when our fans make excuses for Huepel, wins and losses lol, but its on a whole different level when the people always yelling "stop making excuses for Huepel " are now making excuses for another SEC coach that they want but hasn't won any championships either.
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I’m not making excuses for anyone. Kiffin messed around last year with a very experienced team and should have been 11-1 and high seed in playoffs and went 9-3 instead.

The same can be said for Heupel this year in our losses where coaching decisions were a big cause of the losses.

I’m not emotional on it. Being a Vol fan for 20+ years has sucked it all out of me so I’m being objective. I want the best for Heupel here. Just stating what I see as some decision issues that are surprising given it’s his 8th year as a head coach and 5 years into his stint at Tennessee.

I think it kills people that Kiffin is widely regarded this cycle as the top coach to hire that isn’t Kirby, Kalen, Day, or Dabo. People are still hung up on something that happened 16 years ago. I don’t understand it lol.

Side note- what is the @Behr score prediction for tonight? I think 38-10 Vols
 
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Behr said:
@JMSqb11

Just remembered, one of those 3-4 others youd trade Heupel for is Mullen. Right?

You cant go to bat for him without making a ton of excuses for why he hasn't won anything of significance either.
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No. Not in current form. Part of the reason I said I’d take that trade is these coaches would not be loyal to a fault with assistants. I think that is one of the very few weaknesses with Heupel.


My 3-4 are below:

Kirby
Dan Lanning
Kiffin
Lincoln Reilly
 
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KKruzVFL said:
What doesn’t make since about it lol 13th is really good. Our blue chip rate is over 50% I just think we aren’t playing up to par especially on defense with the talent we have
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Can we consider UT has some growing pains with the 2nd youngest roster in the SEC?
Look closely at the youth starting on this team and celebrate where they are currently.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
I’m not making excuses for anyone. Kiffin messed around last year with a very experienced team and should have been 11-1 and high seed in playoffs and went 9-3 instead.

The same can be said for Heupel this year in our losses where coaching decisions were a big cause of the losses.

I’m not emotional on it. Being a Vol fan for 20+ years has sucked it all out of me so I’m being objective. I want the best for Heupel here. Just stating what I see as some decision issues that are surprising given it’s his 8th year as a head coach and 5 years into his stint at Tennessee.

I think it kills people that Kiffin is widely regarded this cycle as the top coach to hire that isn’t Kirby, Kalen, Day, or Dabo. People are still hung up on something that happened 16 years ago. I don’t understand it lol.

Side note- what is the @Behr score prediction for tonight? I think 38-10 Vols
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You are correct, you don't understand and I believe its because of your man crush on him. Lol be his trophy case.

I think we lose 21-24.
 
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Behr said:
You are correct, you don't understand and I believe its because of your man crush on him. Lol be his trophy case.

I think we lose 21-24.
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If we only hang 24 on the coal miners, we might need to fire up the “FAHR Josh” threads.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
No. Not in current form. Part of the reason I said I’d take that trade is these coaches would not be loyal to a fault with assistants. I think that is one of the very few weaknesses with Heupel.


My 3-4 are below:

Kirby
Dan Lanning
Kiffin
Lincoln Reilly
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Gave you the like for Huepel being loyal to a fault and being honest.
 
#65
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KKruzVFL said:
What doesn’t make since about it lol 13th is really good. Our blue chip rate is over 50% I just think we aren’t playing up to par especially on defense with the talent we have
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aren't we finishing at or above the the middle of the Top25 every year?

2025 highest AP ranking of 11, current 17
2024 final AP ranking was 9
2023 final AP ranking was 17
2022 final AP ranking was 6

that's an average AP rank of 12.25

so if we're recruiting at #13 and finishing in the AP above #13 on average aren't we playing exactly up to expectations?

the reason we don't do better than that is because of all the SEC teams who constantly out recruit us and who constantly finish with a higher AP ranking than us.
 
#67
#67
Behr said:
Gave you the like for Huepel being loyal to a fault and being honest.
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I just don’t understand it. I really hope he goes the route of Venables and finds a portal QB that had success and gets the OC in a package deal.

You know what, I hear there is a QB/OC combo at UCLA that might be a portal package in the offseason!

The one guy I’ve wanted ever since Golesh left was Kendall Briles. He left Arkansas around the same time. The fact he was at Arkansas was shocking.
 
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KKruzVFL said:
What doesn’t make since about it lol 13th is really good. Our blue chip rate is over 50% I just think we aren’t playing up to par especially on defense with the talent we have
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Yes, our blue chip rate is over 50%. What percentage of that are still freshman or being developed as sophomores for next year. Also, teams like Georgia, Alabama and OSU have a blue chip rate of 75 or more and have had for years so they are developing And playing year after year. I believe we will get there, but it takes time after the dumpster fire that we were, I remember a couple of years ago everyone was saying 2026 should be a very good year for us. It really depends now on how well our quarterback situation is in 2026.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
I just don’t understand it. I really hope he goes the route of Venables and finds a portal QB that had success and gets the OC in a package deal.

You know what, I hear there is a QB/OC combo at UCLA that might be a portal package in the offseason!

The one guy I’ve wanted ever since Golesh left was Kendall Briles. He left Arkansas around the same time. The fact he was at Arkansas was shocking.
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I know you don't understand. Lol

As far as that combo package..

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KKruzVFL said:
Kiffin would have this program winning championships. He’s doing more with less at Ole Miss they never recruit well.
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With an NFL starting qb Kiffin lost to a .500 UF team with playoffs on the line last year, while we got there with Nico.
It’s good to look both directions before crossing the street.
 
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VAWL FAN said:
He's doing more at Ole Miss than Heupel is at Tennessee?You sure about that?
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The howler monkeys like to play it safe. They'll howl and scream for a coach upgrade because theres no self accountability. They think we (Fans) should hold Huepel accountable (I guess by constantly bishing) but they wont require the same from themselves.

They can howl all they want about what kiffin would do or could have already done because we're not firing Huepel and hiring Kiffin so theres no way to prove them wrong. If we hired Kiffin tomorrow and he won a championship we'd all be too exited to care what they said. If he didn't nobody would care because we'd all be too focused on how bad we suck.

Its the safest position to hold if you don't mind being hassled by the real fans.
 
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KKruzVFL said:
Kiffin would have this program winning championships. He’s doing more with less at Ole Miss they never recruit well.
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Kiffin had his chance here and decided to leave. We wandered in the wilderness and now we finally have a good coach and we want to run him off so we can hire another Butch Jones and set us back another 15 years. Y’all need to stop with this obsession of him 🤣
 
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