Attention: Lane Kiffin proponents

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#76
The wishbone/flexbone, etc. will not work in the SEC. The athletes on D are too big and fast. If this offense still worked, teams would run it, instead of some risky spread, etc.
 
#77
#77
We can hire Tony Sparano and run the single wing. How about Jack Pardee to install the run and shoot. We could call ourselves The UT Gamblers.

I hope all of you get the extreme amount of sarcasm.
 
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VolsRule said:
The wishbone/flexbone, etc. will not work in the SEC. The athletes on D are too big and fast. If this offense still worked, teams would run it, instead of some risky spread, etc.
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I'm sorry, I thought you were being serious. Reason it's not being run all that much is that college athletes don't wanna run some flexbone, especially since the QB is a pitch man.
 
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Dawson said:
We can hire Tony Sparano and run the single wing. How about Jack Pardee to install the run and shoot. We could call ourselves The UT Gamblers.

I hope all of you get the extreme amount of sarcasm.
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No, I thought you were being extremely serious :wink2:
 
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nickknx865 said:
What's wrong with Paul Johnson? The man has shown he can compete with crappy talent. Georgia Tech is 4-1, 2nd in the coastal division, with thier only loss to VT by 3.

If you really think that the triple option won't work, you need to have your head examined.
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Hes not leaving GA Tech, He can get better athletes and have a long success there, and they will pay him what ever he asks for...............
 
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VolsRule said:
The wishbone/flexbone, etc. will not work in the SEC. The athletes on D are too big and fast. If this offense still worked, teams would run it, instead of some risky spread, etc.
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The wishbone would work just fine here in the SEC...Bear Bryant ran it for years and even back in those days believe it or not, the SEC had tremendous speed....Auburn ran it under Pat Dye as well...Remember bo Jackson?...Product of the wishbone..The actual problem with it is there are not that many option styles of QB's out there anymore...Guys like Scott Frost are not as common as everybody thinks....It's my all time favorite offense and extremely lethal if used properly...You can wear down defenses so quickly that by midway through the 3rd quarter defenses were seriously dragging from running all over the field...I love it and miss it very much....Nobody ran it like the Bear tho....nobody, He had some neat disguised formations out of that offense...Broken bone etc.
 
#82
#82
Whoever the next HC is needs to get on the phone with Les Steckel and hire him as an enforcer. On a serious note a few years down the road I will be posting Why in the hell didn't we hire Lane Kiffin?
 
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justingroves said:
For a couple of seasons, then teams that play them every year will eventually adapt to it.
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You could be right. I used to think that too. Then I got a rather detailed description of the offense from somebody who knows it and I was convinced otherwise.
 
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#85
tvolsfan said:
Every time someone says Stoops, I just laugh. You don't leave the number 1 program in the country to start everything over.
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I doubt he would ever come here but driven/proven winners enjoy difficult challenges sometimes.
 
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#86
BigPapaVol said:
if he can retain the ability to throw out of it, it's a great O. QBs that can effectively do both are a huge rarity.

People believed Tebow was that guy, but he really isn't.
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They threw for 230 yards out of it with a true freshman backup qb starting and playing the entire game...
 
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#87
GAVol said:
You could be right. I used to think that too. Then I got a rather detailed description of the offense from somebody who knows it and I was convinced otherwise.
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The fact that no other team you face runs it and that there is so much movement/confusion on offense (4 guys could have the ball on any given play) means it could work for a long time.

It's damn near impossible to put all that a team could do in that offense in so your defense could prepare for it in only a week's time.
 
#88
#88
Paul Johnson's offense WOULD work in the SEC. Hell it would work anywhere PJ went with it. If you think otherwise you're just spouting out information you heard from some analyst who thinks there is uncertainty to whether it would work. You don't believe me? Ga Tech WILL win a NC in the near future bc of CPJ. Laugh all you want, but I would not want to be on GTs schedule this year, and it's only his first year on campus. When he starts recruiting his players, look out. Why don't you non believers take a look at a Paul Johnson coached GA Southern team...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOhszINT8v4
 
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justingroves said:
For a couple of seasons, then teams that play them every year will eventually adapt to it.
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I agree... When is everbosdy going to figure out that the SPREAD offense, the spread offense, the veer, the wishbone, whatever you want to call it are FADS. If you can discipline a defense, it is not that hard to stop. Look at Florida this year. The UT ofense OUTGAINED them this year. Florida's not as good as it was last year, and more and more defensive coordinators have it figured out. For example, Florida's NC was born from a pro-style offense that Zook had installed with Chris Leak. They only mixed in PORTIONS of CUM's spread offense in the NC season. Also, look at Hawaii vs. Georgia in the Sugar Bowl last year.

With real football defenses it is the Mickey Mouse offense.
 
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Volmorning said:
I agree... When is everbosdy going to figure out that the SPREAD offense, the spread offense, the veer, the wishbone, whatever you want to call it are FADS. If you can discipline a defense, it is not that hard to stop. Look at Florida this year. The UT ofense OUTGAINED them this year. Florida's not as good as it was last year, and more and more defensive coordinators have it figured out. For example, Florida's NC was born from a pro-style offense that Zook had installed with Chris Leak. They only mixed in PORTIONS of CUM's spread offense in the NC season. Also, look at Hawaii vs. Georgia in the Sugar Bowl last year.

With real football defenses it is the Mickey Mouse offense.
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Hawaii and Florida's offense have nothing in common.
 
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#92
justingroves said:
Hawaii and Florida's offense have nothing in common.
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Except for portions of the option offense under June-boy that spreads the field and gets the ball to the playmakers in space. However, the point is this... The college football powerhouses...
USC, Alabama (unfortunately), Oklahoma, LSU (again unfortunately), Texas, Ohio State, Notre Dame, and, yes, UT, do not run the spread.

Michigan is going to be very sorry for the Rich Rodriguez hire, if they are not already.
 
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Volmorning said:
Except for portions of the option offense under June-boy that spreads the field and gets the ball to the playmakers in space.
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How many rushing yards did Hawaii have total in the years June worked there?

Hawaii and Florida's offense can't be compared. It's two completely different things.
 
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Volmorning said:
The college football powerhouses...
USC, Alabama (unfortunately), Oklahoma, LSU (again unfortunately), Texas, Ohio State, Notre Dame, and, yes, UT, do not run the spread.

Michigan is going to be very sorry for the Rich Rodriguez hire, if they are not already.
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You are in denial if you think Texas doesn't run a spread type offense.

Michigan will be very happy within the next 4 years when Rich Rod has 2 Big Ten titles under his belt
 
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Volmorning said:
I agree... When is everbosdy going to figure out that the SPREAD offense, the spread offense, the veer, the wishbone, whatever you want to call it are FADS. If you can discipline a defense, it is not that hard to stop. Look at Florida this year. The UT ofense OUTGAINED them this year. Florida's not as good as it was last year, and more and more defensive coordinators have it figured out. For example, Florida's NC was born from a pro-style offense that Zook had installed with Chris Leak. They only mixed in PORTIONS of CUM's spread offense in the NC season. Also, look at Hawaii vs. Georgia in the Sugar Bowl last year.

With real football defenses it is the Mickey Mouse offense.
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That statement is laughable. The offense that CPJ is running down at Tech has been around longer than you've probably been alive. It's a fad? Are you kidding me? Do you remember the 90s Nebraska teams? How about when Bear Bryant used it? What about OU and the split T with Bud Wilkinson? To lump Paul Johnson's offense with the spread offense that June Jones used at Hawaii is ridiculous.
 
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Volmorning said:
I agree... When is everbosdy going to figure out that the SPREAD offense, the spread offense, the veer, the wishbone, whatever you want to call it are FADS. If you can discipline a defense, it is not that hard to stop. Look at Florida this year. The UT ofense OUTGAINED them this year. Florida's not as good as it was last year, and more and more defensive coordinators have it figured out. For example, Florida's NC was born from a pro-style offense that Zook had installed with Chris Leak. They only mixed in PORTIONS of CUM's spread offense in the NC season. Also, look at Hawaii vs. Georgia in the Sugar Bowl last year.

With real football defenses it is the Mickey Mouse offense.
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2nd dumbest thing I have ever read
 
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The most recent "fad" offenses...Run -n- Shoot, West Coast, Spread, Pistol, HD, etc...are all about one thing: spread the defense out, and get the ball to an open man in space. Find, and exploit, the mismatch. A 21st century twist on an old axiom. "Hit 'em where they ain't." It helps, a lot, when you have a QB who is a running threat.

A lot of FBS teams have used it, or elements of it, with success. Teams that have great talent, speed, and discipline on defense can adjust to it.

The evolution of the game.

Adjust, or get left behind.

You listening, Phil?
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
The most recent "fad" offenses...Run -n- Shoot, West Coast, Spread, Pistol, HD, etc...are all about one thing: spread the defense out, and get the ball to an open man in space. Find, and exploit, the mismatch. A 21st century twist on an old axiom. "Hit 'em where they ain't." It helps, a lot, when you have a QB who is a running threat.

A lot of FBS teams have used it, or elements of it, with success. Teams that have great talent, speed, and discipline on defense can adjust to it.

The evolution of the game.

Adjust, or get left behind.

You listening, Phil?
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Not since 2001, he hasn't. You know, the offenses you mentioned, are still around, in some form or another.

This isn't geared at you, but the dude who said that the flexbone option would not work in major college football.

Look, it's quite apparent that you have no understanding of how the modern triple option works. It isn't run much because it takes a lot of disipline, guts, and a whole lot of brains to run, something that the Navy, and other military academies have a whole lot of. Paul Johnson has won 2 1-AA national championships at GA Southern, and won the confrence title every year he was at GA South. At Navy, he compiled a 45-29 record in 6 seasons, the only losing season being his first one in 2002. In 2004, Navy went 10-2, and were ranked #24 in the final AP poll, despite never having more than a 2 star recruit.

The option is the great equalizer in college football.

As you can tell, I love option football.
 
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the.one.the.only said:
Paul Johnson's offense WOULD work in the SEC. Hell it would work anywhere PJ went with it. If you think otherwise you're just spouting out information you heard from some analyst who thinks there is uncertainty to whether it would work. You don't believe me? Ga Tech WILL win a NC in the near future bc of CPJ. Laugh all you want, but I would not want to be on GTs schedule this year, and it's only his first year on campus. When he starts recruiting his players, look out. Why don't you non believers take a look at a Paul Johnson coached GA Southern team...

YouTube - GSU vs YSU Football National Championship
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Is that you Paul? :lol:
 
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