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wvu2003 said:
I would probably agree with you, but I remember a couple Sugar and Orange Bowls in in the last few years where people said WVU wanted no part of Georgia
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Yeah that was 2005.

If we're going by the standard that all games played in the last 20 years count for this season, then UT won a national title in 1998. Things that happened over a decade ago have no relevance on anything that will happen this season.

or Clemson
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A little more recent, but still 2011. That was the only good WV team Holgorsen coached and it just happened to be the one that was more or less Bill Stewart's team. Holgorsen is a good OC, but he's a mediocre head coach. No offense, but I think you all are the most overrated team in America right now. Outside of his first season taking over for Stewart, Holgorsen's results have been consistently mediocre.

I can't say that I know what's in store for us in the Jeremy Pruitt era, but I'd be pretty surprised if Holgorsen suddenly started fielding top 10 teams after 5 out of last 6 seasons of mediocrity. And even the one good season in 2016 mostly came via a weak schedule; no top 25 wins.
 
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wvu2003 said:
That's crazy talk. Sills is a 1st team all american and biletnikoff finalist for a reason. He's a Jordy Nelson clone. Gary Jennings is easily better than Simms too.

Simms is a 4.3 guy, but nothing special outside of his speed.

We've also never seen Simmons take a real college football snap, so we should pump the brakes on him. Coaches are bragging on him though.
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No offense, man. But just because Sills is tall and white doesn't make him a Jordy Nelson clone. They really play nothing alike and Nelson was a far superior route runner to Sills. Sills is basically a very, very raw Mike Evans.
 
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StrictlyEducational said:
No offense, man. But just because Sills is tall and white doesn't make him a Jordy Nelson clone. They really play nothing alike and Nelson was a far superior route runner to Sills. Sills is basically a very, very raw Mike Evans.
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Uhhh... They're big tall receivers who are excellent at high pointing the ball. Neither are burners and run in the 4.5 range. Both started their college careers at different positions before going on to become All Americans.

And for your to say Sills isn't a great route runner is just silly. Being a former QB has made him a great route runner. That's probably his best quality as a WR... other than his hands.
 
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wvu2003 said:


I dont think we'll be a playoff team, but definitely a legit top 15 team. Defense will be much improved, and our offense is easily going to average 40+ per game
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The FBS teams you scored over 40 on last year ranked in scoring D nationally (130 teams): ECU#130, KU#129, and TTU#98. For the math challenged.. that's an average of 119th out of 130. So how do you figure WVU will average over 40 "easily"?

Let's be fair though... you may have improved so let's look at teams you scored at least 35 on too.... Baylor#114 and OSU#85 (and we both know this wasn't a competitive game with WVU getting a couple of cheap late scores)... for an average of 111th... out of 130 teams.

As bad and depressing as UT's D was last year... every one of the teams you scored more than 35 points on (your FBS avg ppg was 32.5) finished BELOW UT in scoring D.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
Yeah that was 2005.

If we're going by the standard that all games played in the last 20 years count for this season, then UT won a national title in 1998. Things that happened over a decade ago have no relevance on anything that will happen this season.



A little more recent, but still 2011. That was the only good WV team Holgorsen coached and it just happened to be the one that was more or less Bill Stewart's team. Holgorsen is a good OC, but he's a mediocre head coach. No offense, but I think you all are the most overrated team in America right now. Outside of his first season taking over for Stewart, Holgorsen's results have been consistently mediocre.

I can't say that I know what's in store for us in the Jeremy Pruitt era, but I'd be pretty surprised if Holgorsen suddenly started fielding top 10 teams after 5 out of last 6 seasons of mediocrity. And even the one good season in 2016 mostly came via a weak schedule; no top 25 wins.
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Fair enough, but year.... the 2012 Orange Bowl is a little more recent than 1998.

I know none of that has anything to do with this year. Just saying ya never know until the games are played.

WVU usually makes a run at a 10+ win season once every 5 or 6 years. 88, 93, (98 team failed), 05-07, 2011, 2016 (10 win season, but not an impressive one)....
 
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WVMULE said:
No, like I said... this is something special for us. WVU may not have a team this good again. But to deny the talent that's there and their potential is what's delusional.

But more goes into winning games than just talent. WVU's never had much luck with the intangibles... the ball bounces funny, or the irreplaceable superstar gets injured.

How about this... accept that for only the third time in its long history that WVU has the talent to be one of the teams in the playoffs.

13-9 killed us. This is the team that could erase 13-9 from memory.

My grandpap used to say there's a long way from hither to yither. But aren't we due? How many times can Major Harris separate his shoulder or Pat White break his hand? How many times can the official call offensive pass interference on a guy for having the DB just about pull his jersey off? How many times can your star QB break his finger diving for the pylon?

If a century of bad luck and bad breaks are what it takes to get WVU into the promised land in 2018 then so be it.

Karma owes us this one.
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Could it be WVU is just perennially snakebit?
 
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wvu2003 said:
Uhhh... They're big tall receivers who are excellent at high pointing the ball. Neither are burners and run in the 4.5 range. Both started their college careers at different positions before going on to become All Americans.

And for your to say Sills isn't a great route runner is just silly. Being a former QB has made him a great route runner. That's probably his best quality as a WR... other than his hands.
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No. He is not a great route runner. He basically runs 3 routes. Slant, Go, Fade. He runs a solid slant, but that's about the height of his ability. Not to mention, previously playing QB has nothing to do with being a good route runner. MAYBE it would help you find the soft spot in a zone or make the right read on an option route, but Sills doesn't really run *real* option routes.

Their stories may be similar, but their game are not clones of each other. No, sir.

Sills is basically Keyarris Garrett with an Elite QB.

Regardless, he's really good and will almost certainly put up numbers on Tennessee's defense.
 
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sjt18 said:
The FBS teams you scored over 40 on last year ranked in scoring D nationally (130 teams): ECU#130, KU#129, and TTU#98. For the math challenged.. that's an average of 119th out of 130. So how do you figure WVU will average over 40 "easily"?

Let's be fair though... you may have improved so let's look at teams you scored at least 35 on too.... Baylor#114 and OSU#85 (and we both know this wasn't a competitive game with WVU getting a couple of cheap late scores)... for an average of 111th... out of 130 teams.

As bad and depressing as UT's D was last year... every one of the teams you scored more than 35 points on (your FBS avg ppg was 32.5) finished BELOW UT in scoring D.
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Grier in year 2 of Dana's offense with the best WR group in the country and maybe the best O-line in the big 12... they will average 40+

Dont be surprised to see this team put 40+ points put on the board in Charlotte. Don't you have RB's and WR's playing corner?
 
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wvu2003 said:
Uhhh... They're big tall receivers who are excellent at high pointing the ball. Neither are burners and run in the 4.5 range. Both started their college careers at different positions before going on to become All Americans.

And for your to say Sills isn't a great route runner is just silly. Being a former QB has made him a great route runner. That's probably his best quality as a WR... other than his hands.
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Come back next year after Sills goes through an NFL combine. He's not a 4.5 40.
 
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StrictlyEducational said:
No. He is not a great route runner. He basically runs 3 routes. Slant, Go, Fade. He runs a solid slant, but that's about the height of his ability. Not to mention, previously playing QB has nothing to do with being a good route runner. MAYBE it would help you find the soft spot in a zone or make the right read on an option route, but Sills doesn't really run *real* option routes.

Sills is basically Keyarris Garrett with an Elite QB.

Regardless, he's really good and will almost certainly put up numbers on Tennessee's defense.
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All of our receivers basically run 3 routes in this offense. It's one of the biggest knocks on them when they get to the NFL.

Sills is a great route runner though. Look up some of the nfl scouting reports on him. They all say so. He is the best route runner WVU has had since Stedman Bailey.

Being a former QB absolutely helps.
 
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sjt18 said:
That's an interesting difference between UT's staff and the WVU staff... and UT's last staff for that matter. Pruitt and his guys aren't in awe of their own players. Praise is very muted and almost always followed with a "but" and what needs to be improved. That was the case even when Pruitt was talking about Trey Smith.
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That is because Pruitt is used to coaching where even 5*s have to ride the pine and may never even see the field.

And you WVU homers, I get it, its good to be proud of your team. But lets not act like a coach who has steadily under-performed since his first year is all of a sudden going to burn the world down just because he has a good QB. Last year you lost to 3 ranked opponents even with that QB playing.
 
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wvu2003 said:
Grier in year 2 of Dana's offense with the best WR group in the country and maybe the best O-line in the big 12... they will average 40+

Dont be surprised to see this team put 40+ points put on the board in Charlotte. Don't you have RB's and WR's playing corner?
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Sorry. In terms of talent... you can delude yourself from now on... but you don't have the best WR group in the country. You don't have a better OL than OSU or OU. It is very doubtful that you are going to improve your scoring O by 8 ppg with basically the same players.

But again... Look at the teams you needed last year to even get your scoring avg vs FBS teams to 32.5. You'll get to 40 if somehow the composite of the D's you face this year gets MUCH worse.

Year 2 in the O... having lost your only credible threat from the RB position... and your best deep threat at WR. We'll see.

I wouldn't make any guarantees about UT's D yet. They were better than the D's you pumped your numbers up against last year.... but they underperformed a lot. We all hope that a guy who has won NC's as a DC knows how to coach defense.... we all hope that the recruiting services didn't overrate that many players on the same team. But the Vols have to get on the field and prove it.

Alontae Taylor may be one of the starters. He came in as an "athlete". Baylen Buchanan... son of an NFL great... is likely to win the other one. But yeah, Pruitt who has coached some of the best CB's in CFB over the last 10 years, is experimenting to get the right players in the position that maximizes their talent.
 
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jasonvols2.2 said:
WVU fans get a bad reputation for their hostitality. Is it true? Also, how often do they sing Country Roads?
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Could it be bc of random flying beer bottles or full cans that hit people upside the head? Punching a pregnant woman after losing to LSU? Multiple fights at any game. Spraying piss on opposing fans walking by with super soakers?!?

Huh, can't imagine why?!?
 
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StrictlyEducational said:
Regardless, he's really good and will almost certainly put up numbers on Tennessee's defense.
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Interesting. He's certain to put up numbers on UT's D when he had 14 catches in his last 6 games last year averaging just over 40 ypg with 3 TD's? We're talking about the guy that Utah shut out, right?

Nah... you don't disrespect UT's talent at all, do you?
 
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According to the Wiki's TN has bested WVU in attaining a higher percentage of adults with Hs Diploma's. 39 to 42nd place. Quite honestly i figured WV for 51st.

How does it feel to be barely ahead of Kentucky and Arkansas? -note sarcasm- Ill hang up and listen.

Our QB situation is just too muddied. I truly believe Pruitt can do it. Y'all's qb play and us employing a new defense spell close L.

I really think WVU is overrated. Was last yes and is this year. smdh, Gawd I hate spread offenses.
 
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sjt18 said:
Sorry. In terms of talent... you can delude yourself from now on... but you don't have the best WR group in the country. You don't have a better OL than OSU or OU. It is very doubtful that you are going to improve your scoring O by 8 ppg with basically the same players.

But again... Look at the teams you needed last year to even get your scoring avg vs FBS teams to 32.5. You'll get to 40 if somehow the composite of the D's you face this year gets MUCH worse.

Year 2 in the O... having lost your only credible threat from the RB position... and your best deep threat at WR. We'll see.

I wouldn't make any guarantees about UT's D yet. They were better than the D's you pumped your numbers up against last year.... but they underperformed a lot. We all hope that a guy who has won NC's as a DC knows how to coach defense.... we all hope that the recruiting services didn't overrate that many players on the same team. But the Vols have to get on the field and prove it.

Alontae Taylor may be one of the starters. He came in as an "athlete". Baylen Buchanan... son of an NFL great... is likely to win the other one. But yeah, Pruitt who has coached some of the best CB's in CFB over the last 10 years, is experimenting to get the right players in the position that maximizes their talent.
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That's counting games that Grier didnt play. We averaged 39 ppg with Grier in his first season back from a 2 year layoff in a new offense. Now he's familiar and has more weapons than last season.

Crawford was far from our best RB. He just got the most carries, for some reason.
 
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I understand why WV fans are confident and excited about this game and the rest of the season. You guys have a lot to be excited about. However, we've got some players, too. I think our o-line is going to push WV's d-line around, and our run game will keep us in it. We may lose, but it won't be a blowout. I think we win a close one.
 
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wvu2003 said:
Grier in year 2 of Dana's offense with the best WR group in the country and maybe the best O-line in the big 12... they will average 40+

Dont be surprised to see this team put 40+ points put on the board in Charlotte. Don't you have RB's and WR's playing corner?
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No they won’t.
 
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Z06VolinWV said:
Could it be bc of random flying beer bottles or full cans that hit people upside the head? Punching a pregnant woman after losing to LSU? Multiple fights at any game. Spraying piss on opposing fans walking by with super soakers?!?

Huh, can't imagine why?!?
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Don’t forget the batteries. They like to throw those too, which says a lot since batteries are so essential to survival for West Virginians.
 
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