Arizona Election Audit

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utvols88 said:
That's a great question. Seems like independent third parties don't really exist anymore. Makes it difficult doesn't it? You'd have to go in with not just good faith actors as the auditors but also the people that CAN do something about it. Do we have confidence that Rs or Ds would have the humility to admit when they benefit and that it needs to be fixed? Do we have confidence that citizens would have that humility? Idk anymore.

In a perfect world, third party is best. In this world, I guess it would have to be in the form of a suit and available to everyone. It's seeped into being a culture problem too, Imo. Too many people are amongst history's most privileged and they are too arrogant to believe oppression can easily happen to them.
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I am extremely cynical when it comes to our politicians, government, and media. So, my question to you is my question to myself. I agree a lot with what you've shared. Even if something was discovered by a completely independent third party, i don't trust the media to bring the data to the public without bias.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Because of who has been hired to conduct this latest "audit". The Republicans in the Arizona state legislature hired a Florida company called "Cyber Ninjas Inc.". The Chief Executive of this firm is a man named Doug Logan, who has actively promoted conspiracy theories about election fraud on multiple platforms - and in doing so, revealed his own personal agenda regarding this audit. He has skin in the game, and is anything but objective.
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I hear it's being live streamed, go capture the video and cry foul if somethings found that you disagree with. It doesn't really matter. You live under the rule of an undercover communist gov. that doesn't have your best interest of you or any of the other citizens of this country. They will never relinquish power without a fight, even when it comes out that they are blatantly corrupt.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
All of these recounts are like having 3 Mueller investigations... and continuing to have them until the conclusion is to your liking.
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I'll take you avoidance to answer as a "yes" so that I don't become more repetitive.

It really isn't like 3 Mueller investigations. That's hyperbole and not objective. If the election results are as solid as you claim, what do you care if there are 3 or 30 investigations? You don't live in Az and it isn't your money funding things.
Mueller had the full scope and power of the federal government behind him. It was also kept in the daily consciousness by the media. The investigation in Az isn't propelled by the media.

I don't care when you or others choose to believe election shenanigans exist and when they don't based on the which candidate won or lost. It's just another in a long string of many partisan BS points to argue about until the next election comes and everyone can possible trade seats on the bus again.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Because of who has been hired to conduct this latest "audit". The Republicans in the Arizona state legislature hired a Florida company called "Cyber Ninjas Inc.". The Chief Executive of this firm is a man named Doug Logan, who has actively promoted conspiracy theories about election fraud on multiple platforms - and in doing so, revealed his own personal agenda regarding this audit. He has skin in the game, and is anything but objective.
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So? If they try to report any irregularities nobody will take them seriously and they'll be shouted down.

My guess is they will find nothing and you'll be back here crowing about how even a partisan audit found nothing. You'll fall right into the establishments trap.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Because of who has been hired to conduct this latest "audit". The Republicans in the Arizona state legislature hired a Florida company called "Cyber Ninjas Inc.". The Chief Executive of this firm is a man named Doug Logan, who has actively promoted conspiracy theories about election fraud on multiple platforms - and in doing so, revealed his own personal agenda regarding this audit. He has skin in the game, and is anything but objective.
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Democrat political hacks are so much more noble and just than republican political hacks, i guess.
 
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McDad said:
I'll take you avoidance to answer as a "yes" so that I don't become more repetitive.

It really isn't like 3 Mueller investigations. That's hyperbole and not objective. If the election results are as solid as you claim, what do you care if there are 3 or 30 investigations? You don't live in Az and it isn't your money funding things.
Mueller had the full scope and power of the federal government behind him. It was also kept in the daily consciousness by the media. The investigation in Az isn't propelled by the media.

I don't care when you or others choose to believe election shenanigans exist and when they don't based on the which candidate won or lost. It's just another in a long string of many partisan BS points to argue about until the next election comes and everyone can possible trade seats on the bus again.
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30 investigations? oy vey. I can see it happening though. These trump worshippers simply won't give it up
 
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McDad said:
I'll take you avoidance to answer as a "yes" so that I don't become more repetitive.

It really isn't like 3 Mueller investigations. That's hyperbole and not objective. If the election results are as solid as you claim, what do you care if there are 3 or 30 investigations? You don't live in Az and it isn't your money funding things.
Mueller had the full scope and power of the federal government behind him. It was also kept in the daily consciousness by the media. The investigation in Az isn't propelled by the media.

I don't care when you or others choose to believe election shenanigans exist and when they don't based on the which candidate won or lost. It's just another in a long string of many partisan BS points to argue about until the next election comes and everyone can possible trade seats on the bus again.
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As I said in an above post, I don't care about the audit... but the company known as "Cyber Ninjas Inc." from Florida is a firm with very little experience in auditing elections. They were hand-picked to conduct this audit by Republicans in the Arizona State Legislature because their Chief Executive Officer, Doug Logan, has been publicly peddling conspiracy theories about the 2020 Presidential Election, and he has openly expressed support for Donald Trump. He is biased... which is exactly why his little known firm (with such little experience) was chosen by Republicans in Arizona in the first place. They think he will tell them what they want to hear.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
As I said in an above post, I don't care about the audit... but the company known as "Cyber Ninjas Inc." from Florida is a firm with very little experience in auditing elections. They were hand-picked to conduct this audit by Republicans in the Arizona State Legislature because their Chief Executive Officer, Doug Logan, has been publicly peddling conspiracy theories about the 2020 Presidential Election, and he has openly expressed support for Donald Trump. He is biased... which is exactly why his little known firm (with such little experience) was chosen by Republicans in Arizona in the first place. They think he will tell them what they want to hear.
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Stop peddling lies. This is the most thorough and transparent audit ever done. They even have cameras livestreaming every move. This audit is how all audits should be done.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
As I said in an above post, I don't care about the audit... but the company known as "Cyber Ninjas Inc." from Florida is a firm with very little experience in auditing elections. They were hand-picked to conduct this audit by Republicans in the Arizona State Legislature because their Chief Executive Officer, Doug Logan, has been publicly peddling conspiracy theories about the 2020 Presidential Election, and he has openly expressed support for Donald Trump. He is biased... which is exactly why his little known firm (with such little experience) was chosen by Republicans in Arizona in the first place. They think he will tell them what they want to hear.
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So, why do you care what he tells them? What's your reaction going to be when he comes back with bupkis?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
As I said in an above post, I don't care about the audit... but the company known as "Cyber Ninjas Inc." from Florida is a firm with very little experience in auditing elections. They were hand-picked to conduct this audit by Republicans in the Arizona State Legislature because their Chief Executive Officer, Doug Logan, has been publicly peddling conspiracy theories about the 2020 Presidential Election, and he has openly expressed support for Donald Trump. He is biased... which is exactly why his little known firm (with such little experience) was chosen by Republicans in Arizona in the first place. They think he will tell them what they want to hear.
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Great. Let him tell them what they want to hear. Your side, your media, your pundits can attack it and poke holes at it. You can make Arizona your bitch with all the fundraising and money poured into the state to secure the next elections for your faithful disciples. Yall can post your memes on social media mocking them. And the divide will continue to grow.
And the next time your side loses, the Righties can do the attacking and you can do the defending.
Progress. Unity. Indivisible.
 
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volinbham said:
still doesn't change that you don't know what you are talking about so laugh away
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Right... I just know that Pfizer didn't receive any money from Operation Warp Speed for the development of their vaccine. It was completely self-funded. Do the execs at Pfizer think Trump deserves any credit? No... and they are on record saying so.
 
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I just dont understand why its unfathomable to the sore losers that Donald Trump lost... ? Are you really crying about voter fraud because he's telling you to? You think maybe, just maybe you have been conned?

Trump, the 1st president ever to sh1t on American POWs. An American POW native son was Arizona's favorite Senator. Duh, you really wonder why they voted against Trump??? SMH.
 
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VolinWayne said:
Stop peddling lies. This is the most thorough and transparent audit ever done. They even have cameras livestreaming every move. This audit is how all audits should be done.
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Actually it is not. The Arizona GOP is arguing Cyber Ninja has no duty to safeguard the privacy of Arizona voters and doesn't need to comply with state law regarding recounts.
 
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VolinWayne said:
Stop peddling lies. This is the most thorough and transparent audit ever done. They even have cameras livestreaming every move. This audit is how all audits should be done.
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Nothing I said was a lie. What I said about Doug Logan is 100% true... his firm has very little experience in auditing elections. They are not well known. Cyber Ninjas Inc. was chosen because Logan has been pushing conspiracy theories about the 2020 Presidential Election. This audit is not how anything should be done.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Right... I just know that Pfizer didn't receive any money from Operation Warp Speed for the development of their vaccine. It was completely self-funded. Do the execs at Pfizer think Trump deserves any credit? No... and they are on record saying so.
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Yes they funded internally and yes they were given a liability shield which means their investment wouldn't come back to bite them and yes they were guaranteed a minimum $2 billion order. So while they may not say the Trump administration deserves credit they certainly were given major incentives to go full speed ahead. I'm sure they recognize the role those decisions impacted their deployment of resources. Same for Moderna.
 
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Tastylicks said:
I just dont understand why its unfathomable to the sore losers that Donald Trump lost... ? Are you really crying about voter fraud because he's telling you to? You think maybe, just maybe you have been conned?

Trump, the 1st president ever to sh1t on American POWs. An American POW native son was Arizona's favorite Senator. Duh, you really wonder why they voted against Trump??? SMH.
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This is a hilarious statement. So much TDS. If you're a citizen of this country and you're ok with the possibility of having unfair elections, don't ever expect any unity. I don't care who the candidate is. Trump is nothing more then a name at this point. Don't get that twisted.
 
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