Are Dobbs' Mechanical Issues Fixable? - Article

[KBVol]

Now I've seen it all.

You're seriously going to argue that Worley (a guy who couldn't even get a deal as undrafted free agent) is a better passer than Dobbs?

And once again I love your SELECTIVE use of stats. If we wanna talk numbers why not just compare their career passing numbers?

Dobbs: 61.5% completion percentage, 7.1 yards per pass attempt, 53 passing TDs to 29 INTs, 133.2 QB rating

Worley: 59.0% completion percentage, 6.4 yards per pass attempt, 23 TDs to 21 INTs, 118.6 QB rating

There is literally no comparison between Dobbs and Worley as passers. By every passing metric Dobbs is VASTLY superior.

And KBVol, I thought you were all about numbers. Why now when Dobbs is better than Worley by EVERY single passing metric are you ignoring what the data is saying and just cherry picking numbers?

1. Worley went to the Bears camp and was on their practice squad for a period of time in 2014, so your first part is wrong. Surprise surprise.

2. Not selective. I compared their senior seasons. I also gave it the proper context. Are you really gonna argue that Josh wasn't in a much, much better position to succeed in both 2015 and 2016 given the talented players he had to work with vs what Worley had, which was virtually nothing?

3. I gave credit to Dobbs for being light years better as an overall collegiate qb than Worley....but as anyone who is being fair and honest would say, it was primarily because of Dobbs' elite running ability. There was virtually no difference in their passing abilities.

The difference in their qb rating was largely only because of average yards per attempt, which speaks to who the QBs were respectively throwing to. If you know anything about passer rating computations, you know that an inordinate amount of weight is given to yards per attempt.

Dobbs averaged 1.4 td passes and .78 ints per game at Tennessee. Worley averaged .96 td passes and .88 ints per game.....behind worse OLs, throwing to much less talent. So about half a td pass and about the same average number of ints per game throwing to Pig Howard, Jason Croom, Marquez North and no TE to speak of.

And please realize that this argument is not to bring down Dobbs, it's to correctly compare his passing ability to Worley's.....there's very little to no difference.

 

[GAVol]

1. Worley went to the Bears camp and was on their practice squad for a period of time in 2014, so your first part is wrong. Surprise surprise.

2. Not selective. I compared their senior seasons. I also gave it the proper context. Are you really gonna argue that Josh wasn't in a much, much better position to succeed in both 2015 and 2016 given the talented players he had to work with vs what Worley had, which was virtually nothing?

3. I gave credit to Dobbs for being light years better as an overall collegiate qb than Worley....but as anyone who is being fair and honest would say, it was primarily because of Dobbs' elite running ability. There was virtually no difference in their passing abilities.

The difference in their qb rating was largely only because of average yards per attempt, which speaks to who the QBs were respectively throwing to. If you know anything about passer rating computations, you know that an inordinate amount of weight is given to yards per attempt.

Dobbs averaged 1.4 td passes and .78 ints per game at Tennessee. Worley averaged .96 td passes and .88 ints per game.....behind worse OLs, throwing to much less talent. So about half a td pass and about the same average number of ints per game throwing to Pig Howard, Jason Croom, Marquez North and no TE to speak of.

And please realize that this argument is not to bring down Dobbs, it's to correctly compare his passing ability to Worley's.....there's very little to no difference.

Add Von Pearson to Worley's list. His WRs weren't all that bad.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

So how about Alabama, Florida in 2015, and others. He's had plenty of bad games when he can't run the ball.

Alabama 2016 was a mash unit game. Dobbs deserves no blame because the rest of his team was hurt.

Florida 2015 is IMO the greatest performance of Josh Dobbs Vols career. What he did that day against that defense with his o-line and Butch Jones putrid was close to miraculous. He literally put the entire team on his back leading us in every offensive stat against a defense that had nearly every player drafted.

Dobbs 2015 performance against Florida was legendary. And Jon Gruden agrees with me on this.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

1. Worley went to the Bears camp and was on their practice squad for a period of time in 2014, so your first part is wrong. Surprise surprise.

2. Not selective. I compared their senior seasons. I also gave it the proper context. Are you really gonna argue that Josh wasn't in a much, much better position to succeed in both 2015 and 2016 given the talented players he had to work with vs what Worley had, which was virtually nothing?

3. I gave credit to Dobbs for being light years better as an overall collegiate qb than Worley....but as anyone who is being fair and honest would say, it was primarily because of Dobbs' elite running ability. There was virtually no difference in their passing abilities.

The difference in their qb rating was largely only because of average yards per attempt, which speaks to who the QBs were respectively throwing to. If you know anything about passer rating computations, you know that an inordinate amount of weight is given to yards per attempt.

Dobbs averaged 1.4 td passes and .78 ints per game at Tennessee. Worley averaged .96 td passes and .88 ints per game.....behind worse OLs, throwing to much less talent. So about half a td pass and about the same average number of ints per game throwing to Pig Howard, Jason Croom, Marquez North and no TE to speak of.

And please realize that this argument is not to bring down Dobbs, it's to correctly compare his passing ability to Worley's.....there's very little to no difference.

LOL @ little to no difference.

Dobbs is only better than him at EVERY statistical category. But sure that's little to no difference. LOL. Dobbs has the better completion percentage while throwing for more yards per pass attempt. And no matter how you wanna try to play the TD/INT numbers to try and make it seem like there's not a big difference it doesn't take away from the fact that there is a huge difference between 53 TDs/29 INTs and 23 TDs/21 INTs. Dobbs TD to INT ratio is pretty good. Worley's is downright terrible.

You're really something else. The numbers are CLEAR yet you wanna argue against them.

Dobbs is SIGNIFICANTLY better as a passer than Worley. PERIOD.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Add Von Pearson to Worley's list. His WRs weren't all that bad.

And Marquez North was actually good back then.

This idea that Worley didn't have WRs is a lie.

His receivers were BETTER than what Dobbs had last year.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

I see a guy who makes only one read than dashes, misses wide open receivers, and whom was poorly coached. Dobbs flopped in a massive way against a cupcake in SC and Appy St.

If Dobbs becomes a star QB in the NFL, will you admit you were wrong about him?

I ask this because if Dobbs isn't a star QB I'll admit I was wrong about him in college and maybe he wasn't as good as I thought.

 

[Burger]

Alabama 2016 was a mash unit game. Dobbs deserves no blame because the rest of his team was hurt.

Florida 2015 is IMO the greatest performance of Josh Dobbs Vols career. What he did that day against that defense with his o-line and Butch Jones putrid was close to miraculous. He literally put the entire team on his back leading us in every offensive stat against a defense that had nearly every player drafted.

Dobbs 2015 performance against Florida was legendary. And Jon Gruden agrees with me on this.

10 for 17 with 83 passing yards is legendary?

 

[Burger]

If Dobbs becomes a star QB in the NFL, will you admit you were wrong about him?

I ask this because if Dobbs isn't a star QB I'll admit I was wrong about him in college and maybe he wasn't as good as I thought.

Of course, I can always admit when I'm wrong.

 

[TNnative]

How quickly Vols fans forget...Did you see the South Carolina game? How 'bout the end of the A&M game?

He was horribly inaccurate. He regularly threw wobbly passes. I don't see the Steelers being able to fix that but since I'm a Bengal fan, I'm glad.

His value to the Vols were his legs. They bailed us out time and time again.

If Dobbs can learn to consistently point the toes on his left foot in the direction he wants to throw the ball, he will be horribly accurate. If he does that, he could wear a gold jacket and make a speech in Canton in a few years. If he doesn't, he will be a tough answer to a trivia question.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

10 for 17 with 83 passing yards is legendary?

Did you watch the game?

Dobbs also had 136 yards rushing (which was really well over 180 yards if you take out the sack yardage) and 58 yards receiving. He led the team in passing yards, rushing yards, and receiving yards. First player in over a decade to do that in college football. But honestly this performance was beyond stats. You had to have seen it to appreciate how incredible of a performance it was. There is a reason a football mind like Jon Gruden said on ESPN that he had never seen a performance like it at the University of Tennessee and called it Dobbs best performance as a college player even though Josh had many other games that were statistically more impressive.

Honestly, its amazing he even had 83 yards passing when you consider the fact that the pocket was collapsing every time he dropped back. His receivers were also unable to get off press coverage and on the rare occasion that they did, they would drop catchable passes.

Just look up the names on that Florida defense in 2015 and how many were drafted and how high they were drafted. Then look at our o-line and receivers. That was basically an NFL defense versus a terrible college offensive line and mediocre college receivers and Josh Dobbs by himself was able to bridge the gap and dominate what was a great defense.

Dobbs basically beat an NFL defense that day by himself. That is what makes it LEGENDARY.

 

[Burger]

Did you watch the game?

Dobbs also had 136 yards rushing (which was really well over 180 yards if you take out the sack yardage) and 58 yards receiving. He led the team in passing yards, rushing yards, and receiving yards. First player in over a decade to do that in college football. But honestly this performance was beyond stats. You had to have seen it to appreciate how incredible of a performance it was. There is a reason a football mind like Jon Gruden said on ESPN that he had never seen a performance like it at the University of Tennessee and called it Dobbs best performance as a college player even though Josh had many other games that were statistically more impressive.

Honestly, its amazing he even had 83 yards passing when you consider the fact that the pocket was collapsing every time he dropped back. His receivers were also unable to get off press coverage and on the rare occasion that they did, they would drop catchable passes.

Just look up the names on that Florida defense in 2015 and how many were drafted and how high they were drafted. Then look at our o-line and receivers. That was basically an NFL defense versus a terrible college offensive line and mediocre college receivers and Josh Dobbs by himself was able to bridge the gap and dominate what was a great defense.

Dobbs basically beat an NFL defense that day by himself. That is what makes it LEGENDARY.

We're debating if he's a great passer not, not if he's a great college football player.

 

[sjt18]

If you cant even admit that Dobbs was a better passer than Worley when it isn't even close you aren't fairly evaluating him.

Dobbs either did not have the confidence or ability to throw the ball on time into small windows. He frequently threw balls too short or forced receivers into awkward catches.

That has absolutely NOTHING to do with Worley... except that you'd like to use Worley as a diversion.

If you think Worley is better you just are either horrible at analysis or have something against Dobbs.

My analysis of Dobbs stands on its own and I like him every bit as much or more than Worley. Both sacrificed for the Vols.

Its one of the two.

No. It just really isn't though I know it would be convenient if you could pass that fallacy of limited alternatives as "truth".

There is no argument that can be made to say Worley is a better passer or even close to as good.

Worley stands on his own. Dobbs stands on his own.

It is even possible to be wrong about one and right about the other one.... Woops that violates your arbitrary "must be" doesn't it?

 

[KBVol]

Who the hell does that? Most players put up their biggest stats against the weak part of the schedule. Hell the heisman trophy winner last year basically won the heisman because of the monster stats he put up against cupcakes to start the year.

If Dobbs second half where he destroyed the cupcakes on our schedule was in the first half of the season like Lamar Jackson he would have also gotten heisman hype.

But beyond that Dobbs had to deal with a lousy coach who was afraid to let him loose, a poor offensive line that couldn't give him any time in the pocket, and unreliable receivers that dropped perfectly thrown passes constantly. Give Josh a coach who believes in his players and lets them loose like Dabo, a solid offensive line that will give him time in the pocket to go through his reads, and playmakers like Mike Williams and he would have also been in New York for the heisman trophy presentation.

Just watch how dominant Josh looks when he finally gets proper coaching, an offensive line, and playmaking WRs in Pittsburgh. The rest of you will finally see the player I've been seeing all along. A LEGEND.

Who does that? I'll tell you who does that...first team conference QBs, Heisman Trophy winners, guys who win national titles, and guys who get drafted prior to the 4th round.

 

[KBVol]

Dobbs had better RBs but that's about it. O-line was as bad during Dobbs entire tenure as it was in 2014. Worley actually had better o-lines before that than Josh ever did. And don't talk to me about WRs and star ratings because our guys were dropping balls right and left with Dobbs throwing perfect passes.

Josh Dobbs carried that offense the last 2 years. It wasn't improved talent that made the offensive prolific. It was Dobbs raising their level. Without Dobbs the o-line and offense would look as pathetic as it did in 2014 before he took over.

For crying out loud. The only thing remotely true in this post is that Dobbs made bad OLs look better at Tennessee......because of his mobility and elite running skills, not his abilities to throw the football.

Perhaps you would be well-served to be reminded what started this thread.....an article by writers who cover the Steelers who are now questioning how to fix Josh's mechanical flaws related to his accuracy issues.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

We're debating if he's a great passer not, not if he's a great college football player.

No. You said he had plenty of bad games. And cited Florida 2015 as a bad game. I simply argued that was false. Florida 2015 was the farthest thing from a bad game.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

For crying out loud. The only thing remotely true in this post is that Dobbs made bad OLs look better at Tennessee......because of his mobility and elite running skills, not his abilities to throw the football.

Perhaps you would be well-served to be reminded what started this thread.....an article by writers who cover the Steelers who are now questioning how to fix Josh's mechanical flaws related to his accuracy issues.

I'm not sure I would call an internet blogger who follows a team "writers who cover the Steelers" like they are beat writers.

 

[jakez4ut]

I'm not sure I would call an internet blogger who follows a team "writers who cover the Steelers" like they are beat writers.

as opposed to......
anyway.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...2Rfh7ntHYK41QvmpA&sig2=Nqev65AdEJMO3a_iAPdDIQ

 

[KBVol]

I'm not sure I would call an internet blogger who follows a team "writers who cover the Steelers" like they are beat writers.

Either way. They're now discussing and asking the same questions about Josh in Pittsburgh that we've been discussing and asking about Josh in Tennessee for 4 years. It's not coincidence.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Either way. They're now discussing and asking the same questions about Josh in Pittsburgh that we've been discussing and asking about Josh in Tennessee for 4 years. It's not coincidence.

I'm guessing at this time last year bloggers on the Cowboys site was asking the same questions.

Just because stupidity is common doesn't make it right.

 

[jakez4ut]

I'm guessing at this time last year bloggers on the Cowboys site was asking the same questions.

Just because stupidity is common doesn't make it right.

lol: 'save this post fellas'....

 

[82_VOL_83]

If Dobbs becomes a star QB in the NFL, will you admit you were wrong about him?

I ask this because if Dobbs isn't a star QB I'll admit I was wrong about him in college and maybe he wasn't as good as I thought.

You won't admit dick. You will just fade away or make some sort of rant about how it isn't his fault. Your MO is well known.

 

[KBVol]

I'm guessing at this time last year bloggers on the Cowboys site was asking the same questions.

Just because stupidity is common doesn't make it right.

So you're pinning all your "logic" and hopes for Dobbs' future NFL success on the surprise and improbable fantastic rookie season that Dak had last year? Talk about "dying on that hill".

What my previous post obviously pointed out is that the primary, maybe really the only flaw that Dobbs has, and has had to his game throughout his collegiate career, has now also been recognized and acknowledged, and is a point of discussion among those in Pittsburgh who are trying to figure out who they have in their rookie players.

I hope Josh gets his chance to play this year for the Steelers and tears it up, follows a similar trajectory to that of 2016 Dak Prescott and is the talk of the NFL this year. Just don't hold your breath because it's just not likely to happen. Btw, since you get all in your feelings about anything Josh, that's not a shot at Dobbs.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Did you watch the game?

Dobbs also had 136 yards rushing (which was really well over 180 yards if you take out the sack yardage) and 58 yards receiving. He led the team in passing yards, rushing yards, and receiving yards. First player in over a decade to do that in college football. But honestly this performance was beyond stats. You had to have seen it to appreciate how incredible of a performance it was. There is a reason a football mind like Jon Gruden said on ESPN that he had never seen a performance like it at the University of Tennessee and called it Dobbs best performance as a college player even though Josh had many other games that were statistically more impressive.

Honestly, its amazing he even had 83 yards passing when you consider the fact that the pocket was collapsing every time he dropped back. His receivers were also unable to get off press coverage and on the rare occasion that they did, they would drop catchable passes.

Just look up the names on that Florida defense in 2015 and how many were drafted and how high they were drafted. Then look at our o-line and receivers. That was basically an NFL defense versus a terrible college offensive line and mediocre college receivers and Josh Dobbs by himself was able to bridge the gap and dominate what was a great defense.

Dobbs basically beat an NFL defense that day by himself. That is what makes it LEGENDARY.

Why do you pick and choose stats? Sacks are a QB stat. Dumping the ball off is not one of Dobbs strong points. One read, no one open, tuck and run, get sacked. Wash, rinse and repeat.

 

[BearCat204]

I'm guessing at this time last year bloggers on the Cowboys site was asking the same questions.

Just because stupidity is common doesn't make it right.

Are you suggesting that Josh Dobbs was as nearly effective or as polished a QB as Dak Prescott was in college?

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

So you're pinning all your "logic" and hopes for Dobbs' future NFL success on the surprise and improbable fantastic rookie season that Dak had last year? Talk about "dying on that hill".

What my previous post obviously pointed out is that the primary, maybe really the only flaw that Dobbs has, and has had to his game throughout his collegiate career, has now also been recognized and acknowledged, and is a point of discussion among those in Pittsburgh who are trying to figure out who they have in their rookie players.

I hope Josh gets his chance to play this year for the Steelers and tears it up, follows a similar trajectory to that of 2016 Dak Prescott and is the talk of the NFL this year. Just don't hold your breath because it's just not likely to happen. Btw, since you get all in your feelings about anything Josh, that's not a shot at Dobbs.

Oh it's not going to be a surprise for me. It'll be a surprise for the ignorant masses like you. But I know talent when I see it. And Dobbs screams NFL superstar talent.

And honestly the only thing that angers me about all the disrespect you guys throw at Dobbs ability is the fact I can see how great he is and you clowns can't see it at all.

I guess we'll just have to wait until Dobbs is winning rookie of the year next year for you clowns to see what I've seen all along.