Are Dobbs' Mechanical Issues Fixable? - Article

[82_VOL_83]

LOL.

We'll let the NFL decide that.

In a year or two when Dobbs is an MVP caliber starting QB on a super bowl bound Steelers team while Bray has yet to take a meaningful snap in the pros you'll see how foolish this statement was.

If read correctly, this statement is a logical fallacy.

 

[TJ1985]

I don't often post, but I've lurked for a long time. D4H is easily the most annoying poster I've ever witnessed. He's (or she's) like one big hyperbole and constantly talks out of both sides of his mouth. I'll never forget the whole "I'm done with this team" thread which he claimed was to somehow motivate the team to success. Troll.

To stay on topic, I love Dobbs and wish him nothing but success. I doubt his throwing ability to be a big time NFL qb, but I've been wrong before. For example, I never thought A Foster would do what he did in the NFL. I hope I'm wrong about Dobbs, too. Bray has more arm talent, but he lacks the intangibles Dobbs brings to the table. I wish all our NFL Vols nothing but the best.

 

[KBVol]

You were stroking Coleman Thomas heading into 2016, and he was no worse last year than he was the year before. He was never really any good, but your "careful film study" produced an adulatory evaluation after 2015 that was totally at odds with reality.

Yes, good recall. Said he will be the first center taken in the 2018 draft, so, first round pick. Of course, he also said that Sutton (4th rd) would be taken before Barnett (1st Rd) and that there's no way McCaffrey would go in the 1st round.

 

[KBVol]

I don't often post, but I've lurked for a long time. D4H is easily the most annoying poster I've ever witnessed. He's (or she's) like one big hyperbole and constantly talks out of both sides of his mouth. I'll never forget the whole "I'm done with this team" thread which he claimed was to somehow motivate the team to success. Troll.

To stay on topic, I love Dobbs and wish him nothing but success. I doubt his throwing ability to be a big time NFL qb, but I've been wrong before. For example, I never thought A Foster would do what he did in the NFL. I hope I'm wrong about Dobbs, too. Bray has more arm talent, but he lacks the intangibles Dobbs brings to the table. I wish all our NFL Vols nothing but the best.

A like for you sir. You should post more often.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Yes, good recall. Said he will be the first center taken in the 2018 draft, so, first round pick. Of course, he also said that Sutton (4th rd) would be taken before Barnett (1st Rd) and that there's no way McCaffrey would go in the 1st round.

I always said he needed to get stronger. And I thought he would take the weight training seriously. But he hasn't taken weight training seriously and hasn't gotten any stronger.

Coleman has great athletic ability for an offensive lineman but he lacks the strength to stand up at the point of attack. That is what is keeping him from being a top NFL prospect.

I guess I'll have to stop assuming guys will get stronger as they spend more years in the strength and conditioning program at Tennessee.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Best hope it's not as foolish as this one. (Among many, many others)

Where guys get drafted is irrelevant. That's me projecting what dumb GMs will do.

How guys perform in the league is what matters. And what I have always said is that Dobbs will be a SUPERSTAR in the NFL. He's got Randall Cunningham skills to go with Tom Brady intangibles. That is why he has a good shot to be the Michael Jordan of football.

 

[bamawriter]

I always said he needed to get stronger. And I thought he would take the weight training seriously. But he hasn't taken weight training seriously and hasn't gotten any stronger.

Coleman has great athletic ability for an offensive lineman but he lacks the strength to stand up at the point of attack. That is what is keeping him from being a top NFL prospect.

I guess I'll have to stop assuming guys will get stronger as they spend more years in the strength and conditioning program at Tennessee.

Or you just stroked a dude who simply isn't that good. He's not terrible by any stretch, and I admire his willingness to play hurt and shift along the line. But if you thought he was going to be anywhere close to a top lineman in the SEC, let alone the country, then you need to stop pretending that you know a damn thing about football.

 

[hndog609]

Where guys get drafted is irrelevant. That's me projecting what dumb GMs will do.

How guys perform in the league is what matters. And what I have always said is that Dobbs will be a SUPERSTAR in the NFL. He's got Randall Cunningham skills to go with Tom Brady intangibles. That is why he has a good shot to be the Michael Jordan of football.

Nope, you made an absolute and unambiguous statement of what was (or in this case wasn't) going to happen. It was dead wrong. Something you manage with astounding regularity, including on how people perform in the league. (Last years NFL offensive and defensive POTY say hi for instance)

That your predictions are so often met with dubiety (if not outright mockery) is something that hasn't come about in a vacuum.

 

[Burger]

Where guys get drafted is irrelevant. That's me projecting what dumb GMs will do.

How guys perform in the league is what matters. And what I have always said is that Dobbs will be a SUPERSTAR in the NFL. He's got Randall Cunningham skills to go with Tom Brady intangibles. That is why he has a good shot to be the Michael Jordan of football.

You have a terrible record on both.

 

[PrattvilleVol]

Where guys get drafted is irrelevant. That's me projecting what dumb GMs will do.

How guys perform in the league is what matters. And what I have always said is that Dobbs will be a SUPERSTAR in the NFL. He's got Randall Cunningham skills to go with Tom Brady intangibles. That is why he has a good shot to be the Michael Jordan of football.

This I definitely agree with. I think Mr. Irrelevant in this years draft, Chad Kelly, is a steal provided Uncle Jim keeps him from going Manziel

 

[VolFreakJosh]

While I agree with the brain part, Bray has much better arm strength than Dobbs. Bray was graded with "elite arm strength" at the NFL combines. Bray throws a rocket but is clearly not as mobile as Dobbs. Dobbs arm was reviewed as "adequate".

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/tyler-bray?id=2540173

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/joshua-dobbs?id=2558167

We are all pulling for Dobbs but a lot of your statements are completely wrong.

That was actually my point. Bray's arm is better and throws a more accurate ball than Dobbs. I was just saying that if Bray had Dobb's mentality, he would have been a lot better QB than he actually was. The only thing that was holding Bray back was his off field issues which Dobbs never had.

 

[PrattvilleVol]

That was actually my point. Bray's arm is better and throws a more accurate ball than Dobbs. I was just saying that if Bray had Dobb's mentality, he would have been a lot better QB than he actually was. The only thing that was holding Bray back was his off field issues which Dobbs never had.

A comma in your statement or better yet inserting Bray's name would have changed the whole interpretation of your statement. Nevertheless, I will give you the benefit of doubt in your intent.

 

[Burger]

A comma in your statement or better yet inserting Bray's name would have changed the whole interpretation of your statement. Nevertheless, I will give you the benefit of doubt in your intent.

 

[Dr. Manhattan]

Where guys get drafted is irrelevant. That's me projecting what dumb GMs will do.

How guys perform in the league is what matters. And what I have always said is that Dobbs will be a SUPERSTAR in the NFL. He's got Randall Cunningham skills to go with Tom Brady intangibles. That is why he has a good shot to be the Michael Jordan of football.

You don't see how badly you set yourself up when you say things like this? You really don't see it?

 

[jakez4ut]

You don't see how badly you set yourself up when you say things like this? You really don't see it?

trollin', trollin', trollin' on the river.....

there's just no other explanation at this point. call it for what it is, and stop taking the bait.:thumbsup:

 

[bamawriter]

You don't see how badly you set yourself up when you say things like this? You really don't see it?

But he can't ever be wrong. His logic is always right because it always has an out, even if the out contradicts the logic itself. Just enjoy pointing out the contradictions and laughing at him.

 

[82_VOL_83]

First, he never led the best offense in school history. Of course, since you've only been a "fan" for 10 minutes, you wouldn't know better.

You're literally the only human being on the planet earth who thinks Dobbs deserves to be mentioned in the same breath with Peyton Manning as legendary Vol, as a collegiate qb. Again, you have zero knowledge about Tennessee Vol football history, stop even attempting to act otherwise.

Josh deserves recognition for helping bring the program back to respectability and having, on balance, an outstanding career at Tennessee. Even more so, he deserves respect and adulation for who he proved himself to be, how he carried himself with class, joe he honored the program and university. But he did not earn "legendary" status by any stretch of the imagination.

Or Condrige Holloway.

 

[KBVol]

Where guys get drafted is irrelevant. That's me projecting what dumb GMs will do.

How guys perform in the league is what matters. And what I have always said is that Dobbs will be a SUPERSTAR in the NFL. He's got Randall Cunningham skills to go with Tom Brady intangibles. That is why he has a good shot to be the Michael Jordan of football.

Just so we're clear, you just said Dobbs has a good shot of being the greatest football player of all time.

 

[BearCat204]

Or Condrige Holloway.

edit please

I also think Josh Dobbs was a better college quarterback than the AD. It was a very different game back then, but Condredge is mostly notable because of the racial barriers he broke. Honestly Condredge was a better baseball player.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Just so we're clear, you just said Dobbs has a good shot of being the greatest football player of all time.

Getting on with an organization as consistently good as the Steelers with the supporting cast he now has gives him a good shot.

Dobbs should win multiple superbowls in Pittsburgh. And if you win multiple superbowls as a QB you place yourself in the GOAT discussion.

I compared him to Michael Jordan moreso for the fact that Josh will also bring unprecedented excitement to the game. Michael Jordan was not only the best basketball player ever. But he was also the most exciting. Dobbs style of play with his scrambling and elusiveness is incredibly exciting. And it will excite fans in the same way Jordan's high flying playing style excited fans in the late 80s.

 

[hndog609]

Getting on with an organization as consistently good as the Steelers with the supporting cast he now has gives him a good shot.

Dobbs should win multiple superbowls in Pittsburgh. And if you win multiple superbowls as a QB you place yourself in the GOAT discussion.

I compared him to Michael Jordan moreso for the fact that Josh will also bring unprecedented excitement to the game. Michael Jordan was not only the best basketball player ever. But he was also the most exciting. Dobbs style of play with his scrambling and elusiveness is incredibly exciting. And it will excite fans in the same way Jordan's high flying playing style excited fans in the late 80s.

The biggest problem with this level of hyperbole is that Josh could turn out to be a damn fine NFL QB and everyone could still, quite accurately in fact, call you a blithering idiot.

 

[KBVol]

Getting on with an organization as consistently good as the Steelers with the supporting cast he now has gives him a good shot.

Dobbs should win multiple superbowls in Pittsburgh. And if you win multiple superbowls as a QB you place yourself in the GOAT discussion.

I compared him to Michael Jordan moreso for the fact that Josh will also bring unprecedented excitement to the game. Michael Jordan was not only the best basketball player ever. But he was also the most exciting. Dobbs style of play with his scrambling and elusiveness is incredibly exciting. And it will excite fans in the same way Jordan's high flying playing style excited fans in the late 80s.

So much to debate in this post, most of it so nonsensical that it's useless to even discuss with you.

So, I'll just pick out one point.....there are two quarterbacks currently playing in the NFL, both of which have won 2 Super Bowls, Eli Manning and Big Ben......neither player will ever be given consideration as possibly being the greatest football player of all time. Nor will Aikman (3), nor will Bradshaw (4), nor will Griese (2).

 

[jakez4ut]

So much to debate in this post, most of it so nonsensical that it's useless to even discuss with you.

So, I'll just pick out one point.....there are two quarterbacks currently playing in the NFL, both of which have won 2 Super Bowls, Eli Manning and Big Ben......neither player will ever be given consideration as possibly being the greatest football player of all time. Nor will Aikman (3), nor will Bradshaw (4), nor will Griese (2).

two words. CAm. Newton. Dobbs is poor man's version of Cam, and i mean that as a compliment.

and while he's certainly been exciting, even he can't take the punishment NFL defenses dish out on a regular basis.

if Dobbs doesn't develop as a pocket qb, 1st, then it won't matter how 'exciting' he is athletically in the NFL.

it has a short shelf life, even for the most gifted physical freak to ever play QB in the NFL. even shorter for those that aren't a la RGIII, CK, JM etc, etc, etc....even D4h's creme de la creme comparison Randall Cunningham, never really got the credit he was due until a decade in to his career when he finally proved he could play qb from the pocket.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

two words. CAm. Newton. Dobbs is poor man's version of Cam, and i mean that as a compliment.

and while he's certainly been exciting, even he can't take the punishment NFL defenses dish out on a regular basis.

if Dobbs doesn't develop as a pocket qb, 1st, then it won't matter how 'exciting' he is athletically in the NFL.

it has a short shelf life, even for the most gifted physical freak to ever play QB in the NFL. even shorter for those that aren't a la RGIII, CK, JM etc, etc, etc....even D4h's creme de la creme comparison Randall Cunningham, never really got the credit he was due until a decade in to his career when he finally proved he could play qb from the pocket.

Dobbs has better intangibles than Cam. I never said Josh was the most naturally gifted QB ever. I will however say nobody has better intangibles. Whether it's work ethic or competitiveness, Dobbs is unmatched in that regard.

It'll be his elite intangibles paired with great natural ability that will make him all-time great in the NFL.

 

[bamawriter]

Dobbs has better intangibles than Cam. I never said Josh was the most naturally gifted QB ever. I will however say nobody has better intangibles. Whether it's work ethic or competitiveness, Dobbs is unmatched in that regard.

One could make all kinds of arguments for Dobb's work ethic, given his academic pursuits. However, he wasn't the most competitive guy on his own team, so to declare that he's "unmatched" is nonsense.