Are Dobbs' Mechanical Issues Fixable? - Article

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

That overly aggressive coach is one of the reasons Dobbs had the success he had. Name another system Josh Dobbs has the numbers he had in rushing........ I'll wait.

Every other spread offense with an athletic QB.

You're crazy if you think Butch Jones was an aggressive coach. The guy is as conservative as it gets. He sat on every lead we got against a good team and would try to hide Dobbs every time we played a weak opponent.

Honestly the only time Dobbs ever went off is when we fell behind by 2 or more TDs in a game. That is when Butch would finally let Dobbs loose and that is when he typically had his biggest games.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

He wasn't even the best QB prospect in this class. All I gotta say is wow. You can't even evaluate an offensive lineman.

For the ignorant masses sure. But then again the same masses would have said Tom Brady wasn't the best QB prospect in his draft class either.

Josh Dobbs will be the best QB from this draft class by a WIDE MARGIN.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

North was never worth a damn outside of 2-3 great catches his freshman year.

Worley didn't have anything like Malone as a junior and JJ as a sophomore.....both of which will play in the NFL for awhile..... Malone is already there. He had 5'7" Pig Howard with 4.75 speed, Jonathan Johnson, Jason Croom, Devrin Young and a good Von Pearson for all of 7 games. For crying out loud dude, just when I think you can't possibly get anymore ridiculous......

Malone has great speed but is mediocre to below average at everything else. Jennings made a lot wow plays last year but also dropped a bunch of easy catches. He's only been a receiver for 1 year before this past season so the polish isn't there yet.

Freshman year North was better than both. Remember after his freshmen year North was looked at as a future 1st round pick and was getting a lot of hype. Neither Malone not Jennings have gotten that level of hype. North minus the injuries gets drafted higher than Malone. He has better hands and similar 40 speed.

 

[Burger]

For the ignorant masses sure. But then again the same masses would have said Tom Brady wasn't the best QB prospect in his draft class either.

Josh Dobbs will be the best QB from this draft class by a WIDE MARGIN.

Just like how Kelvin Taylor was going to be better than Derrick Henry? I mean the best way to win an argument is to call people names and contradict yourself?

Also, if breaking school records makes you the best pro prospect in 15 years, than why isn't Timmy Chang as good as Johnny Unitas?

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Then you don't know what is....

So you're saying that leading the best offense in SCHOOL HISTORY and being more productive than Peyton Manning on a per game basis isn't LEGENDARY?

Really? LOL.

 

[BearCat204]

Never go full retard

 

[GAVol]

You just don't have an eye for talent.

Josh Dobbs is the best QB prospect to enter the NFL in my memory (which goes back to about 2003 when I began to follow the NFL draft).

Not sure whether to ban you for trolling or kick you in the nuts for being stupid.

 

[TNnative]

I hope Josh gets his chance to play this year for the Steelers and tears it up, follows a similar trajectory to that of 2016 Dak Prescott and is the talk of the NFL this year.

There is no way I feel Dobbs needs to follow Prescott's trajectory this year. Though I feel Dobbs is every bit as talented as Prescott in many ways, that guy who took Tony Romo's job did not have a consistency issue with his footwork when he released a pass.

I feel that is not only Dobb's biggest flaw, but it could be (for all practical intents and purposes) his ONLY major flaw. I hate to agree with D4H on anything because everything he says is usually based in excrement. But Dobbs can be great.....IF he fixes his footwork.

I used to give my Dad a hard time, because he was a big fan of the Redskins and Billy Kilmer. I thought he ran like a ruptured duck, and called him that. But despite his awkward running, he was accurate whenever he threw a pass. His left toe was consistently pointed at his receiver. That is why he was one of the most consistent passers of his time. Too bad the one year they put a decent team around him was 72.

This one little discipline may seem inconsequential, but every great QB since the 70s success has been dependent on it. Most every QB who has a bust in Canton mastered it. The rest ran the single wing. A whole lot of guys we called busts? They never got it down.

I think Dobbs gets it down, but it's gonna take time and it may not be easy. Most great QBs are taught in youth leagues or HS. If they wait until they are beginning a pro career, it becomes harder to break bad habits. That is no slight on Dobbs, that is just common sense.

I am not holding my breath for Dobbs to play next year, even if Big Ben goes down. They have Landry Jones, and until Dobbs learns to point his toe, I don't relish the idea of him running for everything. I realize he is still the guy who threw the Dobb Nail Boot, just to name one amazing moment. But his best chance at greatness means waiting.

If Dobbs' rookie year mirrors Prescott's, I will admit I was wrong. But D4H will still be full of crap.

 

[TNnative]

Not sure whether to ban you for trolling or kick you in the nuts for being stupid.

Believe it or not, that first like was from me.

 

[KBVol]

Malone has great speed but is mediocre to below average at everything else. Jennings made a lot wow plays last year but also dropped a bunch of easy catches. He's only been a receiver for 1 year before this past season so the polish isn't there yet.

Freshman year North was better than both. Remember after his freshmen year North was looked at as a future 1st round pick and was getting a lot of hype. Neither Malone not Jennings have gotten that level of hype. North minus the injuries gets drafted higher than Malone. He has better hands and similar 40 speed.

You're absolutely insane or absolutely clueless or dishonest....hell, we know you're all 3.

Edit: North had 3 big catches as a freshman and that's pretty much the full sum of his career at Tennessee. Couldn't separate, couldn't get open, was a below average and often injured wr with attitude issues and for all those reasons couldn't get drafted (btw, Malone just got drafted in the FOURTH ROUND....damn, there are those two words again). Had 38 catches for 496 yards and 1 td as a freshman......finished his awesome UT career with a 6 catch for 58 yards and no tds junior season.....

But he's better than either of these guys were last year??-

Malone- 50 catches, 972 yards, 11 tds
Jennings- 45 catches, 607 yards, 7 tds

Please keep this argument going.

 

[KBVol]

So you're saying that leading the best offense in SCHOOL HISTORY and being more productive than Peyton Manning on a per game basis isn't LEGENDARY?

Really? LOL.

First, he never led the best offense in school history. Of course, since you've only been a "fan" for 10 minutes, you wouldn't know better.

You're literally the only human being on the planet earth who thinks Dobbs deserves to be mentioned in the same breath with Peyton Manning as legendary Vol, as a collegiate qb. Again, you have zero knowledge about Tennessee Vol football history, stop even attempting to act otherwise.

Josh deserves recognition for helping bring the program back to respectability and having, on balance, an outstanding career at Tennessee. Even more so, he deserves respect and adulation for who he proved himself to be, how he carried himself with class, joe he honored the program and university. But he did not earn "legendary" status by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[Sea Ray]

If Dobbs becomes a star QB in the NFL, will you admit you were wrong about him?

I ask this because if Dobbs isn't a star QB I'll admit I was wrong about him in college and maybe he wasn't as good as I thought.

I will take that bet. I'll be amazed if he turns into an above avg NFL QB. I doubt he'll be as good as Kordell Stewart was as a Steeler QB. Let that be standard. I think that's fair

 

[sjt18]

And Marquez North was actually good back then.

This idea that Worley didn't have WRs is a lie.

His receivers were BETTER than what Dobbs had last year.

That's plain stupid.

North was a Fr playing before he was ready.

The thing about arguing over Worley is that it all comes down to conjecture. We don't know what he "could" have been because the simple facts are that he played behind one of the worst OL's in UT history in his Sr year and had very, very little talent at WR in either year.

IIRC, no one who was a regular WR for Worley plays in the NFL. I believe only North had any chance at all of playing in the NFL.

 

[KBVol]

That's plain stupid.

North was a Fr playing before he was ready.

The thing about arguing over Worley is that it all comes down to conjecture. We don't know what he "could" have been because the simple facts are that he played behind one of the worst OL's in UT history in his Sr year and had very, very little talent at WR in either year.

IIRC, no one who was a regular WR for Worley plays in the NFL. I believe only North had any chance at all of playing in the NFL.

....and it's all North can do to stick on a practice squad. Either way, he was average at best his first 2 seasons at Tennessee and completely ineffective and mentally checked out his junior season. And this is who D4H is hanging his hat on in this debate. It's beyond laughable.

 

[jakez4ut]

That's plain stupid.

North was a Fr playing before he was ready.

The thing about arguing over Worley is that it all comes down to conjecture. We don't know what he "could" have been because the simple facts are that he played behind one of the worst OL's in UT history in his Sr year and had very, very little talent at WR in either year.

IIRC, no one who was a regular WR for Worley plays in the NFL. I believe only North had any chance at all of playing in the NFL.

don't worry, i'm sure at some point in the next three months we'll see a thread about how Jennings, Byrd, Callaway and Wolf are all sure fire top 5 picks in future drafts.

whichever way the wind blows....:crazy:

 

[Burger]

....and it's all North can do to stick on a practice squad. Either way, he was average at best his first 2 seasons at Tennessee and completely ineffective and mentally checked out his junior season. And this is who D4H is hanging his hat on in this debate. It's beyond laughable.

He's actually making the argument that this last year's team wasn't as elite as he thought.

 

[KBVol]

don't worry, i'm sure at some point in the next three months we'll see a thread about how Jennings, Byrd, Callaway and Wolf are all sure fire top 5 picks in future drafts.

whichever way the wind blows....:crazy:

Indeed. He's playing both ends against the middle, and which side he takes depends on the current argument that he just has to be right about....if it directly contradicts things he's consistently said then so be it.

For example, Josh Malone just went from a 4.3 guy who was a great NFL prospect/one of 40 NFL draft picks on Tennessee's 2016 roster that was supposed to win the national title last year.......to a fast guy who can't do anything else but run, all because he's trying to prove that Worley had better receivers (North) than Dobbs had (Malone and JJ). It's bizarre.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

You're absolutely insane or absolutely clueless or dishonest....hell, we know you're all 3.

Edit: North had 3 big catches as a freshman and that's pretty much the full sum of his career at Tennessee. Couldn't separate, couldn't get open, was a below average and often injured wr with attitude issues and for all those reasons couldn't get drafted (btw, Malone just got drafted in the FOURTH ROUND....damn, there are those two words again). Had 38 catches for 496 yards and 1 td as a freshman......finished his awesome UT career with a 6 catch for 58 yards and no tds junior season.....

But he's better than either of these guys were last year??-

Malone- 50 catches, 972 yards, 11 tds
Jennings- 45 catches, 607 yards, 7 tds

Please keep this argument going.

The increased production last year from the receivers is because of Josh Dobbs amazing ability.

I would take freshmen year Marquez North over both of them in terms of talent.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

First, he never led the best offense in school history. Of course, since you've only been a "fan" for 10 minutes, you wouldn't know better.

You're literally the only human being on the planet earth who thinks Dobbs deserves to be mentioned in the same breath with Peyton Manning as legendary Vol, as a collegiate qb. Again, you have zero knowledge about Tennessee Vol football history, stop even attempting to act otherwise.

Josh deserves recognition for helping bring the program back to respectability and having, on balance, an outstanding career at Tennessee. Even more so, he deserves respect and adulation for who he proved himself to be, how he carried himself with class, joe he honored the program and university. But he did not earn "legendary" status by any stretch of the imagination.

The 2016 Vols set the SCHOOL RECORD for points scored and TDs scored in a season.

In terms of pure numbers that is the best offense in SCHOOL HISTORY.

 

[Jday]

The increased production last year from the receivers is because of Josh Dobbs amazing ability.

I would take freshmen year Marquez North over both of them in terms of talent.

:crazy:

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Indeed. He's playing both ends against the middle, and which side he takes depends on the current argument that he just has to be right about....if it directly contradicts things he's consistently said then so be it.

For example, Josh Malone just went from a 4.3 guy who was a great NFL prospect/one of 40 NFL draft picks on Tennessee's 2016 roster that was supposed to win the national title last year.......to a fast guy who can't do anything else but run, all because he's trying to prove that Worley had better receivers (North) than Dobbs had (Malone and JJ). It's bizarre.

Never said Malone was a great NFL prospect. I like him as a player cause I like all our guys. But he was never a guy I loved. The kid never played up to his physical ability. Even this past year he dropped a lot of easy catches and wasn't really good in contested ball situations.

I was always higher on North's talent and potential as a pro. And I think once he gets healthy we'll all see Marquez North turn into a really good NFL receiver. He has the talent. He just needs to get healthy.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

He's actually making the argument that this last year's team wasn't as elite as he thought.

Only the offensive line was significantly worse than I thought it would be in terms of ability. The rest of our struggles last year were the result of injuries and poor chemistry (i.e Jalen Hurd, Preston Williams, etc.).

 

[jakez4ut]

trollin', trollin', trollin' on the river.....

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

I will take that bet. I'll be amazed if he turns into an above avg NFL QB. I doubt he'll be as good as Kordell Stewart was as a Steeler QB. Let that be standard. I think that's fair

This is gonna be an easy win for me then. Dobbs will be world's better than Kordell.

 

[Burger]

Never said Malone was a great NFL prospect. I like him as a player cause I like all our guys. But he was never a guy I loved. The kid never played up to his physical ability. Even this past year he dropped a lot of easy catches and wasn't really good in contested ball situations.

I was always higher on North's talent and potential as a pro. And I think once he gets healthy we'll all see Marquez North turn into a really good NFL receiver. He has the talent. He just needs to get healthy.

You had Malone in your top 10 list of prospects...