Anyone know Phil's Record Vs the Big 3

#76
#76
Guys, we are supposed to forget Fulmer's abysmal record against our 3 biggest rivals and focus on his wins over God awful Kentucky and Vanderbilt teams in the 90's.
 
#78
#78
Volfan8282 said:
You're honestly going to use Georgia and Alabama as great wins during the majority of Fulmer's era? Georgia routinely lost 4-5 games a season during the 90's. Alabama was atrocious for most of the 90's and 00's until Saban arrived.
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They were good with Stallings and UGA was not terrible either.
 
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thebjd said:
They were good with Stallings and UGA was not terrible either.
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Again, UGA routinely lost 4-5 games a year during the mid to late 90's. That's not a great win. Fulmer beat Bama in 1995 and 1996 when Stallings/Bama were fading. He lost to them in 1994 when they had a really great team (shocker).
 
#83
#83
SGMVols said:
Bama - 10-6
UF - 4-12
UGA - 10-6

That's just off the top of my head.
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That breakdown would have more relevance if broken down by decade, the 90s vs. the 2000s years. PF's pinnacle years vs. the recent outhouse years .
 
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#85
SamRebel35 said:
Why do those games matter more than the other 9 or so in a season? They all count the same.
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In final record, yes. In "street cred" and perceived direction of the program, they are huge beyond words. You can't be the best if you can't consistently beat your rivals.

When I was in high school, our dance team danced in (and won) a lot of dance competitions. But the only one that really mattered was the one that our big cross-town rival was also in. If we didn't finish better than them, then the season was seen as a waste. (not the best analogy, maybe, but give me a break....I don't have any football team stories to share!)
 
#86
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VolGirlinMaryvill said:
In final record, yes. In "street cred" and perceived direction of the program, they are huge beyond words. You can't be the best if you can't consistently beat your rivals.

When I was in high school, our dance team danced in (and won) a lot of dance competitions. But the only one that really mattered was the one that our big cross-town rival was also in. If we didn't finish better than them, then the season was seen as a waste. (not the best analogy, maybe, but give me a break....I don't have any football team stories to share!)
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Make some up. It's the internet.:)
 
#89
#89
Here is one thing that I think most people forget. While Meyer is a good coach at Florida was Spurrier not also considered one of the greats while at Florida? Take him out of the hot bed of recruits where most of the country recruits because it is so talent rich and what has Spurrier done. His teams are average. Even though we are Tennessee any Tennessee coach must work double time just to bring in talent. Florida, Alabama, and Georgia have the advantage on recruits in their state.
 
#90
#90
"They beat Auburn when they were in the top 10, 23-0, and beat them the year before."

You are correct my friend. I still think that if USC plays FL, Ala, & GA on a regular basis then they do not win the SEC East. Of course that would go for many teams.
 
#91
#91
I've never understood that...why are Alabama, Georgia, and even Mississippi considered better recruiting grounds than Tennessee?
 
#92
#92
UTVOLS03 said:
Here is one thing that I think most people forget. While Meyer is a good coach at Florida was Spurrier not also considered one of the greats while at Florida? Take him out of the hot bed of recruits where most of the country recruits because it is so talent rich and what has Spurrier done. His teams are average. Even though we are Tennessee any Tennessee coach must work double time just to bring in talent. Florida, Alabama, and Georgia have the advantage on recruits in their state.
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Recruiting aside, I think it is generally accepted that Saban and Meyer give their team a competitive advantage. When was the last time that you thought Fulmer outcoached anyone?
 
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VolGirlinMaryvill said:
I've never understood that...why are Alabama, Georgia, and even Mississippi considered better recruiting grounds than Tennessee?
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look at each state in the southeast and break down how much high school talent there is in association with each state. historically, tennessee hasn't been a hotbed for recruiting talent compared to other places in the south.
 
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#94
sjrobert said:
That breakdown would have more relevance if broken down by decade, the 90s vs. the 2000s years. PF's pinnacle years vs. the recent outhouse years .
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I did that a few posts later. It really got ugly for The Fired Coach at the turn of the millennium.
 
#95
#95
duckman398686 said:
look at each state in the southeast and break down how much high school talent there is in association with each state. historically, tennessee hasn't been a hotbed for recruiting talent compared to other places in the south.
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That's what I'm getting at. I don't dispute that claim...I've just never understood why. Why do our HS sports not measure up in producing talent?
 
#97
#97
Wow, I love being a UT fan, but we have got to have the most hateful and ungrateful fan base in the country. When we win in the 90's, it's just due to us having better players than those inferior teams (but somehow CPF gets no credit for getting those players here). But when parity sets into the SEC and college football in general, and it gets harder to get those kids from Georgia and Louisiana to not go to UGA and LSU. Then, we start losing some of those games that we were used to winning, it's all CPF's fault for not recruiting well enough AND being a "terrible" coach.

I was one of the people that wanted a change at UT. I thought that CPF had lost his competitive edge, just like many of you did. Maybe after Richt, Saban, and Tuberville got here, it became apparent that CPF couldn't keep up, but he played with the SEC in the 90's, and we won a National Championship with him at the helm. Some of you people make me wanna defend the guy, because I appreciate what he did for UT during his tenure here.

Why can't we just say that the man was a good coach. He had some good breaks, and he also took advantage of the opportunities presented to him during the beginning and middle of his time here. However, he trailed off, and couldn't keep up with the changing scene in the SEC during the 2000's.

/end rant
 
#98
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VolDad said:
Recruiting aside, I think it is generally accepted that Saban and Meyer give their team a competitive advantage. When was the last time that you thought Fulmer outcoached anyone?
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"Maybe" a few times against Vandy, key word maybe, but not always because the disparity in talent levels between the two helped overcome his "genius coaching."
 
#99
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Cajun_Vol said:
When we win in the 90's, it's just due to us having better players than those inferior teams (but somehow CPF gets no credit for getting those players here). But when parity sets into the SEC and college football in general, and it gets harder to get those kids from Georgia and Louisiana to not go to UGA and LSU. Then, we start losing some of those games that we were used to winning, it's all CPF's fault for not recruiting well enough AND being a "terrible" coach.
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Correct. That sums it up nicely.
 
#100
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VolDad said:
Recruiting aside, I think it is generally accepted that Saban and Meyer give their team a competitive advantage. When was the last time that you thought Fulmer outcoached anyone?
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Here is what I believe. Fulmer outcoached many in the 90's. His problem in the 2000's was not changing with the times and bringing in someone on the staff that could keep the offense going. I know Coach Cut was good but he was to late and wanted to continue as a head coach. Fulmer seemed to have a lack of trust with going out after Coach Cut left the first time and getting someone to completely run the offense. Not his 90's version of his offense. I feel like he was threatened by some that could possibly become head coaches in the future (afraid for his job) and that was the biggest part of his downfall.
 
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