Any update on Joey?

[volfan102455]

Agreed that Congress has better things to do but I'll add......

I dare say most Congressmen don't understand NIL or anything about college football.

I dare say most of them understand the Sherman Act.

They will be led to act, as usual, by lobbyists representing the big money interests. It is not in the interests, currently, of those making major dollars from college football for the Sherman Act to be amended to fix the NCAA's Antitrust Law issues. When it is, Congress will act.

Still not sure why - there are lots of other big money interests out there with organizations comparable to the NCAA that direct policy - but yet you don't see those hitting the desk of Congress.

I do believe that if the madness doesn't come under some kind of control, those involved will eventually cut off the hand that feeds them and the result is no NIL to be made because there is no place to play.

The only thing I would see the government getting involved with is ensuring women get the same opportunity as their male counterparts.

 

[volfan102455]

The portal will have come and gone before there is any ruling on this lawsuit case. JA is done at UT, IMO.

The question is whether the court will rule on the injunction filed in time.

I seriously doubt the NCAA wants the case to actually go to court.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Still not sure why - there are lots of other big money interests out there with organizations comparable to the NCAA that direct policy - but yet you don't see those hitting the desk of Congress.

I do believe that if the madness doesn't come under some kind of control, those involved will eventually cut off the hand that feeds them and the result is no NIL to be made because there is no place to play.

The only thing I would see the government getting involved with is ensuring women get the same opportunity as their male counterparts.

The money people don't give a care about women or fairness or chaos that isn't hurting their business.

The courts might step in, if asked by female athletes, but that will be a specific bandaid as you say.

The Big Mouse and FOX and ad salesmen will only respond when the optics looks bad for them. Then, and only then, will they throw enough money at Congress to get Antitrust Law amended to put up guardrails.

Congress legislates primarily based upon money pressure. Regular fans don't contribute enough to the system (not just football, the good ol boy system) to prompt action from Congress.

Until the Big Mouse squeals, Congress can't hear anything related to college athletics.

 

[OrangeBeachVol]

Is the NFL model of collective bargaining, caps and employment type contracts that keep a player at at school for a mutually agreed to time frame have any chance? This keeps getting brought up by some sports writers. Of course you got big TV $ to muck it all up to.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Is the NFL model of collective bargaining, caps and employment type contracts that keep a player at at school for a mutually agreed to time frame have any chance? This keeps getting brought up by some sports writers. Of course you got big TV $ to muck it all up to.

Many fans say they won't support a pro model because the end result is the lack of connection to the schools.

The schools will be hard pressed to maintain "mandatory enrollment in classes" and "mandatory 5 years of eligibility" with collective bargaining.

The "student" part of student athlete is very important to some fans. They don't want to see Joey A playing in his 11th year, even for the Vols, or being traded for 3 HS draft picks.

 

[OrangeBeachVol]

Many fans say they won't support a pro model because the end result is the lack of connection to the schools.

The schools will be hard pressed to maintain "mandatory enrollment in classes" and "mandatory 5 years of eligibility" with collective bargaining.

The "student" part of student athlete is very important to some fans. They don't want to see Joey A playing in his 11th year, even for the Vols, or being traded for 3 HS draft picks.

Thanks, I can see where that's not a good option for college sports. Well, Saban says hi, I will be your College Sports Commissioner and fix all this, ha ha.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Thanks, I can see where that's not a good option for college sports. Well, Saban says hi, I will be your College Sports Commissioner and fix all this, ha ha.

Saban testified before Congress urging an Antitrust Exemption for the NCAA.

It's a sad situation to depend on Congress to fix this mess because Congress clearly doesn't know how to run, much less fix, a business and has been running on deficit spending most years in recent history.

But here we are.

 

[BigOrangeFanatic]

The fact that Heupel is going after a portal QB tells us that Joey is not coming back.

I think it speaks more to they are not going to wait and see what the ruling is. And they cant afford to if they are able to get someone now. I'm just skeptical of them putting up big money like people are saying.

What it comes down to is...lets say they are willing put up 3 mil for a QB...but they can't get Sorsby for that because TT is gonna offer 4 or more. The next question is, is your number 2 or 3 choice worth what you were willing to pay your number 1 choice? And so on and so forth. Now theses numbers Im throwing out are just hypothetical, but just using it as an example.

At some point the thinking has to shift to is it worth over spending for a QB that may not even be as good as what Gmac could give you? I think there are a few out there that could succeed in this offense, and mainly experience is going to help with that, something you dont currently have on roster. But At what point do they think, we wait and see what happens with JAs ruling and/or just let Gmac and FB duke it out? Its really a complicated process.

Is there enough money out there to just spend now and worry later? Like as in, spend whatever it takes to get Sorsby, and then spend whatever it takes to get CJK whatever he needs to put a solid defense out there next year. Kind of doubting it, or at least if they are willing to.

 

[OrangeBeachVol]

If your in Heuples spot, as all other CHC's are these days, and your job depends on winning now you cannot mess this up. Waiting on Joey and he doesn't get another yr and risk a losing season next yr or sign transfer and hope you picked right. You will get judged by unreasonable fans and media either way you go. That's a lot of pressure to be under.

 

[HambyVol]

I don’t see how they can’t give him another year but it would’ve a gamble to assume that they would. Hate it for JA also as he is in limbo not knowing.

 

[Bigorangefan 98]

If your in Heuples spot, as all other CHC's are these days, and your job depends on winning now you cannot mess this up. Waiting on Joey and he doesn't get another yr and risk a losing season next yr or sign transfer and hope you picked right. You will get judged by unreasonable fans and media either way you go. That's a lot of pressure to be under.

Why he makes the big bucks .

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

If your in Heuples spot, as all other CHC's are these days, and your job depends on winning now you cannot mess this up. Waiting on Joey and he doesn't get another yr and risk a losing season next yr or sign transfer and hope you picked right. You will get judged by unreasonable fans and media either way you go. That's a lot of pressure to be under.

Heupel isn’t waiting on JA. I would be willing to bet he is moving forward as if he is already gone.

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

It's not and never should be a priority. I dare say most Americans don't even understand NIL or anything about college football.

Neither did the courts, but they need to be reeled in. Both parties should gauge their constituents trigger levels and then become informed and return some sanity to the process in language the courts can’t twist. Should be ONE bipartisan effort out there. Currently only upper crust can win but every school at every level is impacted by cost or loss of ability to FAIRLY and Cost effectively maintain rosters. Competitive balance has been totally trashed as a concept. They took it from hard to impossible.

If players are pro worthy they need to exercise their right and leave to get paid the big bucks. Return colleges to preparing guys to do that, not become entry level for the pros. Pros should not be allowed on the field with amateurs. How many guys at MTSU, TTU, ETSU, UTC, UTM and even MEM can get competitive pay? HOW DO YOU THINK their reps vote. How many senators align with the HAVES vs the HAVE NOTS.

They can fix this and return colleges to amateur model. Move on up at will by forcing NFL to provide minor league for entry level like the other big pay sports. Wish them well as they leave school to get paid just like Med students, law students, business students and the rest, with the obvious advantage of a degree if they so choose. Every player down the food chain moves up and life goes on.

Multi year schollies just like initial contracts in pros? Lots of potentials. Forcing MOST D1 and ALL D2 and D3 to become feeder schools for big boys stinks. They can hammer out a fix. Maybe force receiving school to pay the previous school for their documented investment (schollie, housing, board, etc.) lots of measurable solution potentials.

 

[volfan102455]

I don’t see how they can’t give him another year but it would’ve a gamble to assume that they would. Hate it for JA also as he is in limbo not knowing.

He has only played 3 years in the NCAA - 2 at Appy State and 1 at UT. His other playing time was at JUCO.

Ultimately the JUCO angle is going to have to be settled. And it is a complicated matter these days with the dual classes that some high school folks take.

Couple this with the fact that sometimes participation in a professional sport doesn't disqualify a player.

 

[HarderKnox59]

Heupel isn’t waiting on JA. I would be willing to bet he is moving forward as if he is already gone.

As any smart man would do !

 

[volfan102455]

Neither did the courts, but they need to be reeled in. Both parties should gauge their constituents trigger levels and then become informed and return some sanity to the process in language the courts can’t twist. Should be ONE bipartisan effort out there. Currently only upper crust can win but every school at every level is impacted by cost or loss of ability to FAIRLY and Cost effectively maintain rosters. Competitive balance has been totally trashed as a concept. They took it from hard to impossible.

If players are pro worthy they need to exercise their right and leave to get paid the big bucks. Return colleges to preparing guys to do that, not become entry level for the pros. Pros should not be allowed on the field with amateurs. How many guys at MTSU, TTU, ETSU, UTC, UTM and even MEM can get competitive pay? HOW DO YOU THINK their reps vote. How many senators align with the HAVES vs the HAVE NOTS.

They can fix this and return colleges to amateur model. Move on up at will by forcing NFL to provide minor league for entry level like the other big pay sports. Wish them well as they leave school to get paid just like Med students, law students, business students and the rest, with the obvious advantage of a degree if they so choose. Every player down the food chain moves up and life goes on.

Multi year schollies just like initial contracts in pros? Lots of potentials. Forcing MOST D1 and ALL D2 and D3 to become feeder schools for big boys stinks. They can hammer out a fix. Maybe force receiving school to pay the previous school for their documented investment (schollie, housing, board, etc.) lots of measurable solution potentials.

I agree - I think folks who want that don't understand what it means to disconnect the football programs from the schools. And I seriously doubt that anyone associated with college football wants that to happen. The atmosphere of college sports is entirely different than the professional sports. You lose that atmosphere. You lose the connection to the brand and historical aspect of the schools and rivalries. And the players who are asking for millions - that well of money would disappear quickly.

 

[volfan102455]

As any smart man would do !

Agree that CJH has to look at the portal - I just don't think that implies that if by some chance JA was given another year, CJH would just kick JA to the curb let some feel.

He has no way of knowing if the QB he would even get from the portal could come in and be successful and stay healthy.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

He has only played 3 years in the NCAA - 2 at Appy State and 1 at UT. His other playing time was at JUCO.

Ultimately the JUCO angle is going to have to be settled. And it is a complicated matter these days with the dual classes that some high school folks take.

Couple this with the fact that sometimes participation in a professional sport doesn't disqualify a player.

Just a theoretical, if a player did two years of JUCO then went to the NFL but never played NCAA ball..... would he have 4 years left?

If JUCO is "not NCAA controlled" and NFL is "not NCAA controlled," why not?

I may be wrong but I believe the NCAA is allowing players from Europe to have played pro bball there then play NCAA bball.

 

[Smokymtnbullet]

Chris Fowler would be happy if they ruled against Jerry

 

[volfan102455]

Just a theoretical, if a player did two years of JUCO then went to the NFL but never played NCAA ball..... would he have 4 years left?

If JUCO is "not NCAA controlled" and NFL is "not NCAA controlled," why not?

I may be wrong but I believe the NCAA is allowing players from Europe to have played pro bball there then play NCAA bball.

I don't really understand the rationale for letting the professional basketball player play in the NCAA. He never actually played in the NBA though he did appear in five NBA Summer League games for the New York Nicks and played professionally overseas. It is also unclear as to if he ever signed a contract with the NBA. I do know they have let players who may have played professionally in one sport come back and play in a different sport (e.g. baseball players who come back to play football).

I believe what the Nnaji case does is allow a loophole for players who sign up for the NFL draft with NCAA eligibility left. I guess technically if you had a player that signed up for the draft but was not drafted and/or never signed or played - said player could ask the NCAA for approval to go back to college to finish out their eligibility.

I think because of all this they are on a slippery slope with the JUCO players.

 

[volfan102455]

And all of this craziness is driven by the NIL money - college players can make more with NIL, than the players who opt out to the NBA G league system. I suspect the same is going to be true for the MLB as well. And football has no such avenue.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

I don't really understand the rationale for letting the professional basketball player play in the NCAA. He never actually played in the NBA though he did appear in five NBA Summer League games for the New York Nicks and played professionally overseas. It is also unclear as to if he ever signed a contract with the NBA. I do know they have let players who may have played professionally in one sport come back and play in a different sport (e.g. baseball players who come back to play football).

I believe what the Nnaji case does is allow a loophole for players who sign up for the NFL draft with NCAA eligibility left. I guess technically if you had a player that signed up for the draft but was not drafted and/or never signed or played - said player could ask the NCAA for approval to go back to college to finish out their eligibility.

I think because of all this they are on a slippery slope with the JUCO players.

Summer League players definitely sign some kind of short term contract with an NBA team and get paid, lodging, travel, food, etc.

They are employed to play pro basketball for a few weeks with zero guarantee of a G League or team roster position.

That's where my question comes from. If a guy goes no further than the practice squad with the NFL, let's say, there's little difference than NBA Summer League since the practice squad carries no guarantee and a short contract.

I think the NCAA has stepped in it with Nnaji and will face lawsuits from guys who went to the NFL with eligibility left but never make an NFL squad beyond a practice team.

 

[Tnphil]

The question is whether the court will rule on the injunction filed in time.

I seriously doubt the NCAA wants the case to actually go to court.

The judge in the case is a Bama grad. How convenient.

 

[Kinglberry]

I hope he goes, limited ceiling and just costs more money than value. Need to invest in the secondary, a lot. We lost more games due to defense than we won due to Joey

 

[barney]

What are we gonna do? It seems we are up against the clock. We need this decision to be made by the judge but we also need to hit the portal for a qb should JA be ruled ineligible. Right?

Anyone heard anything?

Go Vols!

You would think maybe Joey’s lawyers could press for some kind of preliminary judgement given the potential harm Joey could face to his earnings if a decision is not made soon.