Any update on Joey?

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Volanta said:
What are we gonna do? It seems we are up against the clock. We need this decision to be made by the judge but we also need to hit the portal for a qb should JA be ruled ineligible. Right?

Anyone heard anything?

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The pace at which this will move will be glacial. Our staff cannot afford to wait for this to resolve itself one way or another, so they must shop for another QB.
 
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If Heuple signs a portal QB that will answer the question. Don't think he will create a QB controversy by signing a new QB and Joey coming back. Its one or the other. Agree with the posters they cannot wait on the court to decide next yrs QB.
 
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Make no mistake, CJH is 100% committed to bringing in the best quarterback available in the portal that fits his scheme and our locker room. There’s no way that he lets himself get burned like last year.

Faizon and GMac (and possibly Joey) will get their opportunity to win the starting job next season. But, there’s no way on God’s green earth that CJH can just sit around and wait for Joey to get or not get another year. It sucks for Joey, but it is what it is today.
 
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OrangeBeachVol said:
If Heuple signs a portal QB that will answer the question. Don't think he will create a QB controversy by signing a new QB and Joey coming back. Its one or the other. Agree with the posters they cannot wait on the court to decide next yrs QB.
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Coach Heupel isn't an attorney and has no idea when the case will be resolved. Watching him for some notion on Joey's legal fate is not the answer. DeerPark, a member here who is a sports attorney, said he feels Joey has about a 30% chance of winning his case. I'll trust that opinion over any other I've seen.

Josh must get another QB because if Joey isn't eligible we'd have G-Mac and Faizon which would be too risky. Joey should enter the portal because he's the "odd man out" at UT after Josh gets another QB even if he wins his case.

Either way, Joey A is done at UT.
 
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JCHateSteve said:
Can he enter the portal given his current status?

At this point Joey is going to have to decide what he wants to do if a decision is made after the portal closes. If Tennessee gets another QB his chances of starting again are likely low. He should probably enter the portal and then decide whether to try and come back or find a new school if he gets his injunction.

Don't get me wrong. I 100% want Joey back. But in this crazy era, him not declaring for the draft and not entering the portal may bite him and could make getting a replacement QB hard for Tennessee.

Interesting times.
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The #1 passing QB in the SEC going into his 2nd year in the system has a low chance of starting?

😂 😂
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Coach Heupel isn't an attorney and has no idea when the case will be resolved. Watching him for some notion on Joey's legal fate is not the answer. DeerPark, a member here who is a sports attorney, said he feels Joey has about a 30% chance of winning his case. I'll trust that opinion over any other I've seen.

Josh must get another QB because if Joey isn't eligible we'd have G-Mac and Faizon which would be too risky. Joey should enter the portal because he's the "odd man out" at UT after Josh gets another QB even if he wins his case.

Either way, Joey A is done at UT.
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😂
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Coach Heupel isn't an attorney and has no idea when the case will be resolved. Watching him for some notion on Joey's legal fate is not the answer. DeerPark, a member here who is a sports attorney, said he feels Joey has about a 30% chance of winning his case. I'll trust that opinion over any other I've seen.

Josh must get another QB because if Joey isn't eligible we'd have G-Mac and Faizon which would be too risky. Joey should enter the portal because he's the "odd man out" at UT after Josh gets another QB even if he wins his case.

Either way, Joey A is done at UT.
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Agree that CJH isn’t an attorney, but UT has plenty of them at their disposal to advise on the situation. I choose to trust those guys over a dude posting on VN. No offense meant towards Deerpark.
 
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Volanta said:
What are we gonna do? It seems we are up against the clock. We need this decision to be made by the judge but we also need to hit the portal for a qb should JA be ruled ineligible. Right?

Anyone heard anything?

Go Vols!
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We have to assume that he willl not be coming back. I really believe he will not be back. If they believe someone other than Gmac, then they have to go to the portal. If they think Gmac can carry the load, they probably need another backup incase of injury. However, each week during the season, out Freshman 5* will be increasing his knowledge of the system and the speed of SEC football. By the end of October, he should be ready to take the reins of needed. The question is, do you really want to take the gamble for the first 2 months of the season? I am not sure I would take the gamble.
 
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Cobb-Webb 1989 said:
A "Memorandum in Support of a Preliminary Injunction" cannot "solve" or end an entire trial on its own. Its sole purpose is to persuade a judge to grant a
preliminary injunction, which is a temporary order put in place while the main trial is ongoing [1].
Here is a breakdown of why:
  • Temporary vs. Final: A preliminary injunction maintains the status quo or prevents immediate harm until a final decision can be reached after a full trial on the merits [1]. It is an interim remedy, not a final judgment.
  • Purpose of the Memorandum: The memorandum is a legal document that lays out arguments and evidence for why the temporary injunction is necessary now. It addresses specific legal standards (like likelihood of success on the merits, irreparable harm, balance of equities, and public interest) [1].
  • The Need for a Trial: The underlying lawsuit still exists and must be resolved. The claims and defenses of both parties still need to be fully litigated, which requires discovery, further motions, and eventually a trial (unless the parties settle the case themselves) [1].
  • Resolution: The trial itself is what determines the final rights and liabilities of the parties and leads to a permanent judgment or a permanent injunction, which is the final, non-temporary remedy [1].
In summary, the memorandum is a step in the legal process used to seek immediate temporary relief, but it does not bypass or conclude the necessity of a full trial for a final resolution.
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Not a lawyer, so my question is if they eventually lose the law suit could the NCAA rule Pavia was ineligible and Vandy would have to abandon all their 2025 wins?
 
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Cobb-Webb 1989 said:
A "Memorandum in Support of a Preliminary Injunction" cannot "solve" or end an entire trial on its own. Its sole purpose is to persuade a judge to grant a
preliminary injunction, which is a temporary order put in place while the main trial is ongoing [1].
Here is a breakdown of why:
  • Temporary vs. Final: A preliminary injunction maintains the status quo or prevents immediate harm until a final decision can be reached after a full trial on the merits [1]. It is an interim remedy, not a final judgment.
  • Purpose of the Memorandum: The memorandum is a legal document that lays out arguments and evidence for why the temporary injunction is necessary now. It addresses specific legal standards (like likelihood of success on the merits, irreparable harm, balance of equities, and public interest) [1].
  • The Need for a Trial: The underlying lawsuit still exists and must be resolved. The claims and defenses of both parties still need to be fully litigated, which requires discovery, further motions, and eventually a trial (unless the parties settle the case themselves) [1].
  • Resolution: The trial itself is what determines the final rights and liabilities of the parties and leads to a permanent judgment or a permanent injunction, which is the final, non-temporary remedy [1].
In summary, the memorandum is a step in the legal process used to seek immediate temporary relief, but it does not bypass or conclude the necessity of a full trial for a final resolution.
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I don't think the NCAA actually wants a final ruling and is fine with lawyers filing injunctions hoping some judge doesn't grant one, win some lose a lot is probably their motto LOL

I don't think we're going to get a final ruling for quite sometime, but the injunctions allows players to move forward

Who knows what will happen but I think eventually a judge will say JUCO years don't count as they weren't governed by the NCAA and that the NCAA already opened the door with granting waivers for extra years. NCAA arguing age, when you already don't have to go college right after HS and can play later down the line at an older age, leads me back to my comment, NCAA is just kicking the can down the road as long as possible
 
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Enki_Amenra said:
The #1 passing QB in the SEC going into his 2nd year in the system has a low chance of starting?

😂 😂
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A higher rated QB with better measurable that we just paid 2-3 million to get isn't going to start? 😂🤣.

Also if we get an xfer QB here with the understanding he'll be the starter and then back door him with Joey, you can forget about getting another good portal QB for years. This situation isn't remotely simple.
 
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volfan102455 said:
It is the argument around age, which makes no sense as there are no age restrictions in the current NCAA regulations. In fact, a player could defer on college for say a missionary trip, military service et al and then get their four years making them be in the same age range as the JUCO players.

And if they say it is the experience, well that is common for both Nnaji and the JUCO players.

I don't know what will happen with the injunction but if the NCAA argument is age based it is very weak. And if they were to win based on that, then I think they would have to backtrack on some the exemptions they have in place and introduce the concept of age, which could disqualify a lot of players who are not even former JUCO players.
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The age thing isn't something new, either, although with extra Covid years and injunctions it has been more prevalent. Chris Weinke won the Heisman trophy as a 28 year old.
 
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EZE said:
I’m sorry. I love what JA brought to us this year.

And my beef is much greater than him.

But are we going to a place where players can play through graduate school? All the way through a PhD?

Where does it stop? Because it already is ridiculous. And I hate to think where it could end up with 30-year-olds living off NIL in college football. It’s getting ridiculous.
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I feel, If someone is in college they should have the right to participate in all sports the schools offer.

GMac, now currently in the backup roll will be getting many more reps for experience and for CJH to make a judgment on exactly what he needs from the portal. If Joey is gone come January, I would really like for GMac to be the starter next year as a sophomore. He’s had a year in the system to learn, he just needs to put on weight in the next 8 months.
 
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farmdogvol said:
Not a lawyer, so my question is if they eventually lose the law suit could the NCAA rule Pavia was ineligible and Vandy would have to abandon all their 2025 wins?
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I don't think so.

After all of Alabama’s issues in 1992 they still kept their national title.
 
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JCHateSteve said:
Can he enter the portal given his current status?

At this point Joey is going to have to decide what he wants to do if a decision is made after the portal closes. If Tennessee gets another QB his chances of starting again are likely low. He should probably enter the portal and then decide whether to try and come back or find a new school if he gets his injunction.

Don't get me wrong. I 100% want Joey back. But in this crazy era, him not declaring for the draft and not entering the portal may bite him and could make getting a replacement QB hard for Tennessee.

Interesting times.
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If it’s ruled against him, it’s fait accompli. He doesn’t need to “declare for the draft”. He’s automatically eligible. When players who’ve exhausted their eligibility make a statement about the draft it’s ceremonial.
 
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walkenvol said:
Agree that CJH isn’t an attorney, but UT has plenty of them at their disposal to advise on the situation. I choose to trust those guys over a dude posting on VN. No offense meant towards Deerpark.
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I agree there because they're closer to the case but I don't think Heupel makes decisions based upon how they think Joey's case could turn out.

Too much risk. They'll get a QB, a good QB, a starter. Joey is done at UT.
 
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butchna said:
If it’s ruled against him, it’s fait accompli. He doesn’t need to “declare for the draft”. He’s automatically eligible. When players who’ve exhausted their eligibility make a statement about the draft it’s ceremonial.
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Sure. But the not knowing still has an effect out Tennessee's ability to sign a QB in the portal and creates a potential QB controversy if he gets the injunction. It doesn't matter for Joey if you think he's definitely the starter even if a high profile portal QB gets signed. But, I don't think that's a given, and it would potentially create complications for the program if that were to occur.

The whole thing is a mess.

If the injunction isn't in place before the portal opens, JA hitting the portal gives everyone options. I don't like it. But what else can be done? We can't wait on a ruling and Joey needs to look out for number one.
 
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JCHateSteve said:
Sure. But the not knowing still has an effect out Tennessee's ability to sign a QB in the portal and creates a potential QB controversy if he gets the injunction. It doesn't matter for Joey if you think he's definitely the starter even if a high profile portal QB gets signed. But, I don't think that's a given, and it would potentially create complications for the program if that were to occur.

The whole thing is a mess.

If the injunction isn't in place before the portal opens, JA hitting the portal gives everyone options. I don't like it. But what else can be done? We can't wait on a ruling and Joey needs to look out for number one.
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I think we’ll know if JA gets an injunction by the time the portal opens. Pavia is goin got trt his luck at the NFL. Joey isn’t the only on that suit. Lawyers will say schools need relief and need to know how to proceed with going to the portal or not.

I think he’ll get the injunction but wouldn’t rule out CJH having feelers out already. Even if JA gets the injunction no guarantee he’ll be at TN and if he’s not I think another school would easily pick him up.
 
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