Any HR reps?

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MontereyVol

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I have an employee who worked for me as a civilian and he got a job opportunity at Stanford as an intern. I advised that he take the internship over his current job. (He is a temp employee that gets his contract renewed every year)

He turned in his resignation and two week notice last Friday. Yesterday (Monday) he was given a 'letter of termination' and told to leave that day. I have had multiple dealings with our HR and they assured me this was normal, but it looks shady and I don't want this kid to get screwed out of ever getting a government job or having something look bad on his resume.
 
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That is perfectly legal as far as I know. At my employer, they do the same thing. I mean, really, What kind of effort will 75% put into their last 2 weeks? Now if the company is just mad, and trying to slander his name....thats a whole different story.
 
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dantheman617 said:
That is perfectly legal as far as I know. At my employer, they do the same thing. I mean, really, What kind of effort will 75% put into their last 2 weeks? Now if the company is just mad, and trying to slander his name....thats a whole different story.
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Does it look bad for future employment? It looks like he was fired?

Slandering him is out, since he can use me as his reference.
 
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That is weird IMO. How can a company fire you if you already quit. If the company does not want you the work the two weeks notice, that is their option, but I think they have to pay you for those 2 weeks.
 
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MontereyVol said:
I have an employee who worked for me as a civilian and he got a job opportunity at Stanford as an intern. I advised that he take the internship over his current job. (He is a temp employee that gets his contract renewed every year)

He turned in his resignation and two week notice last Friday. Yesterday (Monday) he was given a 'letter of termination' and told to leave that day. I have had multiple dealings with our HR and they assured me this was normal, but it looks shady and I don't want this kid to get screwed out of ever getting a government job or having something look bad on his resume.
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from past expierence, you cannot terminate someone during the two weeks without proper cause, at least thats how it is in GA, and TN
 
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For your buddies case, I would just say he resigned. That is what he did. If a future employer calls this employer, there is only certain information/questions they can ask. They can tell them if he is rehireable or not, but not the reason why he quit/fired. If they do that, technically that is illegal. Pretty much all they are allowed to give is dates of employment, would they rehire this employee, and a couple other things.
 
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GASOUTHERNVOL said:
yah, but firing someone right after the turn in their two week notice is considered retalitory action, and thats illegal
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not in an at-will state. There are very few reasons and most are because of discrimination. Retaliatory only goes to them refusing to perform illegal acts.
 
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utvolpj said:
not in an at-will state. There are very few reasons and most are because of discrimination. Retaliatory only goes to them refusing to perform illegal acts.
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it also applies to a person being fired for no just cause except that they turned in a notice, because i mean with that happening, there is some kind of protection for the worker, i just cant remember what the exact wording is, because lets say that jo blow turned in his two week notice and was immediatly fired. well he gets laid off from his new job and goes to find another job, he was a great worker at his prevous jobs but wont be hired because he was fired for basically turning in a two weeks notice
 
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GASOUTHERNVOL said:
yah, but firing someone right after the turn in their two week notice is considered retalitory action, and thats illegal
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I know its different in every state. Where I work (which is a large corporation), they often let someone go after turning in a 2 week notice. Tennessee can fire you regardless, unless you feel you are being discriminated against your race, age, national orgin, etc

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dantheman617 said:
I know its different in every state. Where I work (which is a large corporation), they often let someone go after turning in a 2 week notice. Tennessee can fire you regardless, unless you feel you are being discriminated against your race, age, national orgin, etc

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hrmm thats crazy, knowing that if i work in TN, i wouldnt turn in a two weeks, id just walk out and quit one day.
 
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Alot companies will just let you go due to security. Thats why they do that at my work. Most employees have alot of access, and knowing they are leaving and could possibily take that information with them doesn't set well with them.
 
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GASOUTHERNVOL said:
hrmm thats crazy, knowing that if i work in TN, i wouldnt turn in a two weeks, id just walk out and quit one day.
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Yeah thats what you wanna do. About the only positive (in most cases) of turning in a 2 week notice is they will give you a positive reference, and the door is left open to return to work there someday.
 
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If an employee is still employed and the employer is not paying the employee correctly and they file a wage claim, can they be terminated?

There is no Tennessee law which prevents an employer from firing an employee because they file a complaint with our office, unless the complaint was equal pay.
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that is crazy, i havent really sat down and looked at TN's laws
 
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dantheman617 said:
Alot companies will just let you go due to security. Thats why they do that at my work. Most employees have alot of access, and knowing they are leaving and could possibily take that information with them doesn't set well with them.
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Well, the security sounds legit. He has root access to all systems.

So, I looked it up California is an at-will state but technically he works for the DON so he would fall under federal guidelines?

This is why I do not like having civilians working for me. I could protect him better under military rules.
 
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MontereyVol said:
Well, the security sounds legit. He has root access to all systems.
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I'm guessing that's a big one. Around here they are very quick about scrubbing system access (even before the person is out of the building- true story) and we don't have much secret stuff going on.
 
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utvolpj said:
I'm guessing that's a big one. Around here they are very quick about scrubbing system access (even before the person is out of the building- true story) and we don't have much secret stuff going on.
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The HR department is shady around here and we have had problems before. I am just trying to make sure I did not screw him with my advice as I have other civilians still working that are now wondering about their status, since most are student hires or temp workers.

After meeting with our parent commands HR every one is saying the same thing. As a temp employee if you resign they terminate you, which doesn't make sense. you get the same notice if you are being fired.
 
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From recent experience in Ga.... if you are in a sensitive position and give your notice, you are asked to leave immediately in many cases. The company doesn't want you talking to their/your clients, notifying them of your move to a similar company and trying to take the business with them.

That being said, I've never seen a letter of termination or literal dismissal involved. The company will just say thanks for the notice, but goodbye now.

Since HR departments are limited as to what they can say when a prospective employer calls for a reference, I doubt the whole story would be told.
 
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My undersatnding is that if your former boss says something bad about you that keeps you from getting a potential job. You may have a lawsuits against your former boss and/or company. Consequently, my company will not give an opinion on an x-employee's work performance to another company.
 
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volmanbill said:
From recent experience in Ga.... if you are in a sensitive position and give your notice, you are asked to leave immediately in many cases. The company doesn't want you talking to their/your clients, notifying them of your move to a similar company and trying to take the business with them.

That being said, I've never seen a letter of termination or literal dismissal involved. The company will just say thanks for the notice, but goodbye now.

Since HR departments are limited as to what they can say when a prospective employer calls for a reference, I doubt the whole story would be told.
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That's been my experience in several states
an employee quits, we take the AMEX, ID let them pack up and walk them out..their also still paid the two weeks, if they gave a notice
 
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