Antwan Scott Grambling University transfer

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rocky200663 said:
BTOs arguments are weak!! To lose 9 players off the roster and somehow bring 7 (would have been 8 with McKnight) one a Top 50, one a Top 100, and one a JUCO AA in 3 weeks time plus what looks like a diamond in the rough in Carmichael is phenomenal.
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Who was top 100 again?
 
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iKrager said:
I think I agree with what BTO is saying. The class CDT brought together in 3 weeks was impressive, but there is SOMETHING he is missing on when he meets with these recruits. We can't expect a Butch in recruiting, we get that, but is CDT instilling the belief Tennessee will become a national power within the next four years? This is what I'm worried about, because to ME if we aren't even making the top 8 on top 100 or even top 150 guys, these recruits must not think highly of Tennessee basketball. You get what I'm throwing out?
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we wont know until CDT starts taking commitments. If they look like he just settled for what he could get.....Let the freak out begin.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
We'll see. He is in Dwayne Bacon's top two it seems. That's a 5 star. Clarke is a top 40 player on 247. That's a pretty highly rated guy.

You've got to give Cuonzo credit for landing Stokes, but at the same time, you've got to realize also that the stars aligned for that to happen. Cuonzo closed the deal, but had Jarnell not been ruled ineligible for his high school senior year, had we not had a open scholarship or had other schools had an open scholarship, or had Jarnell not accidentally picked up a phone call from CCM, it likely would have went down a lot different.

Not trying to take anything away from Cuonzo, but that situation worked out perfectly for him.

You want to compare classes, just look at the 2014 class that Tyndall built in a few weeks versus the same class Martin built over a few years.

Now, like you, I'm concerned about getting left off lists of a couple of these kids. I was hoping we'd land a top target early to gain momentum. So far, the most disappointing has been Evans who we were all in on. On the positive side, we are in it for Bacon, Clarke, Marshall, Maye, Miller, Fitzpatrick at the present time.

Most college coaches struggle landing top flight classes in the early going. It's tough to come in late on these kids who have been recruited heavily for long periods of time. Yes, Anderson has done a nice job at Mizz but we've also seen Bruce Pearl bring in Ryan Childress in his first class and lose out on guys like Tyler Smith, the Delk twins, Jamont Gordon. Pearl's class in 2007 was highlighted by Cameron Tatum.

Side note: I feel like you know all this and agree with me but you are hell bent on arguing with a single poster on this forum about recruiting because you didn't like the way he viewed CCM's recruiting.
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Pearls 2nd class was top 10, and included 2 five stars according to rivals, a 4 star and a 3 star. I'm not sure at what point most of those guys committed, but I would guess it was before the NCAAT appearance that first season.
 
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volbeast33 said:
wasnt meant as a crack on volquest.....i love that site but i think CDT seems to be keeping things close to the vest bc VQ seems to be behind on things when it comes to the program such as Scott visiting without them knowing it.
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Don't think so, think it has more to do with as Ziti said everyone seemingly forgetting basketball exists. Tyndall is very open, how do you think Fredrickson got the info about the surgery this AM?
 
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volbeast33 said:
yes he needs to be top 100 heavy in his recruiting for us to be the type of program i want us to be.....hopefully this yr will be a step in the right direction. i have no clue who he will sign and u dont either.
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You are correct, but we only have 3 top 100 offers out that are being considered currently.
 
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kevino said:
Man, you gotta admit you weren't nearly this critical of Martin . I don't know , maybe you think you were , but your posts wreak of Martin bias . I'm sorry dude , I have nothing against you , you should just go ahead and admit it . CDT isn't CCM and you don't like it
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How many people constantly compared Martin to Pearl?
 
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cncchris33 said:
I have no problem with being critical of missing the top group for some of these recruits we have targeted. I do have a problem with comments like "Kim Anderson is killing it in recruiting" (in comparison to CDT), because that simply isn't true, or at best, is a gross overstatement.
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Top 15 compared top 50, seems like a pretty damn good job to me.

Simple question...if the story was flipped, would you feel better about Tyndall's recruiting than you currently do?

I sure as heck would, and I guarantee you there work be posters saying what a great recruiter he is, how bright the future is etc.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Pearls 2nd class was top 10, and included 2 five stars according to rivals, a 4 star and a 3 star. I'm not sure at what point most of those guys committed, but I would guess it was before the NCAAT appearance that first season.
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He took two 5* guys that were known character risks. Pearl rolled the dice and it backfired down the line. Point was that instant success in recruiting is not the norm which is evident in Pearl's 1st and 3rd classes. Also, his 2nd class included 1 long term contributor out of 5 high school signees.

2 five stars = both kicked off team before reaching their junior year.

1 four star that was arguably Pearl's best 4 year recruit

1 three star guy that I don't think ever played.

Chism and Crews were fall signees. Ramar was not.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Don't think so, think it has more to do with as Ziti said everyone seemingly forgetting basketball exists. Tyndall is very open, how do you think Fredrickson got the info about the surgery this AM?
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if they are forgetting about basketball, then why do u think they know who CDT's main targets are?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Top 15 compared top 50, seems like a pretty damn good job to me.

Simple question...if the story was flipped, would you feel better about Tyndall's recruiting than you currently do?

I sure as heck would, and I guarantee you there work be posters saying what a great recruiter he is, how bright the future is etc.
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So far i feel Anderson is doing the better job recruiting but that doesnt change the fact that i feel CDT did a good job with his first class nor does it automatically mean that he will out recruit CDT in the future.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
He took two 5* guys that were known character risks. Pearl rolled the dice and it backfired down the line. Point was that instant success in recruiting is not the norm which is evident in Pearl's 1st and 3rd classes. Also, his 2nd class included 1 long term contributor out of 5 high school signees.

2 five stars = both kicked off team before reaching their junior year.

1 four star that was arguably Pearl's best 4 year recruit

1 three star guy that I don't think ever played.

Chism and Crews were fall signees. Ramar was not.
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So what're you saying? We can't judge recruiting classes until 4 years later?
 
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volbeast33 said:
if they are forgetting about basketball, then why do u think they know who CDT's main targets are?
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You don't see the difference? When AAU events were occurring in July and Rob Lewis and Tyndall/staff were seeing each other every weekend I'm sure conversations happened. Now that evaluation periods are over, coaches are off the road, AAU has ended, and VQ (and the others) are using their entire crew on football, I can see where the disconnect occurred.

Tyndall isn't gonna call up Rob and say, hey buddy got a guy coming in this week for a visit. However if Rob had asked any of the guys on staff a week ago if they had any planned visitors, I just about guarantee they would've informed him pretty willingly.
 
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Ace said:
Coaches care if he is selfish. CDT is here to build a program. One selfish player can infect a whole team.
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Ian Chiles shot everything he touched at he previous stop because everyone else is terrible. I'm thinking it was probably a similar situation to this guy.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
So what're you saying? We can't judge recruiting classes until 4 years later?
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No. I'm just saying that Pearl went an unconventional route to get that top 10 class. He signed two highly rated guys that were attainable in large part because the elite schools stopped recruiting them due to their baggage.

Also, I'm using Pearl's 3rd class and 1st class as examples that it can be tough to recruit in the early going for a coach.

I like Tyndall's style in recruiting. He isn't afraid to go toe to toe with the big boys. Now, maybe he's set his sights a little high in this first full class as he's slow played two really good prospects it seems. I imagine he is likely planning on falling back on his juco connections in the spring if things don't work out with the top hs guys on his board.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Top 15 compared top 50, seems like a pretty damn good job to me.

Simple question...if the story was flipped, would you feel better about Tyndall's recruiting than you currently do?

I sure as heck would, and I guarantee you there work be posters saying what a great recruiter he is, how bright the future is etc.
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I guarantee you that 90% of fans would say Haith did the legwork on Wright and Gant (refer to our fans' view of Bruce Pearl's & Steve Forbes' early involvement in Jarnell Stokes recruitment). That same 90% would say the sole reason for landing MG-C was the special circumstances of hiring his HS coach (again, see the fans' view of the perfect storm of circumstances that allowed us to land Stokes), and that they want to see him win a legitimate recruiting battle for a top-flight recruit.

Personally speaking, would I feel better about having Gant, Wright, & Gill-Caesar in this class vs. Chiles, Baulkman, & McGhee? Sure I would. I'm just not sure that Mostella, Owens, & Carmichael are a giant step down from that level if CDT can coach a lick though. That is what remains to be seen. It remains to be seen for Anderson too.
 
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some kids don't want to come in for one year and work the hardest they ever have. That's the way it is. CDT isn't going to change. He's just going to find the kids that know the commitment required and isn't going to deal with the ones that don't.

We'll see if it works. They are out there. You just have to filter through the coddled ones that can play ball but have no intention on working their butts off. Problem is those outnumber the mentally tough and hard working ones by a large number.

And weeks out of foot surgery or broken bone means nothing anyway. Feet are weird. They look weird and they react weird to being injured and anything in regards to a lis franc injury or something as such that occurs within the foot is a pain in the ass to fix and heal.

At any rate, back to your panic. And if somebody is going to be rude and fire back at me, I aint got no time for it.
 
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spartacavolus said:
some kids don't want to come in for one year and work the hardest they ever have. That's the way it is. Cdt isn't going to change. He's just going to find the kids that know the commitment required and isn't going to deal with the ones that don't.

We'll see if it works. They are out there. You just have to filter through the coddled ones that can play ball but have no intention on working their butts off. Problem is those outnumber the mentally tough and hard working ones by a large number.

And weeks out of foot surgery or broken bone means nothing anyway. Feet are weird. They look weird and they react weird to being injured and anything in regards to a lis franc injury or something as such that occurs within the foot is a pain in the ass to fix and heal.

At any rate, back to your panic. And if somebody is going to be rude and fire back at me, i aint got no time for it.
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Spartacavolus said:
some kids don't want to come in for one year and work the hardest they ever have. That's the way it is. CDT isn't going to change. He's just going to find the kids that know the commitment required and isn't going to deal with the ones that don't.

We'll see if it works. They are out there. You just have to filter through the coddled ones that can play ball but have no intention on working their butts off. Problem is those outnumber the mentally tough and hard working ones by a large number.

And weeks out of foot surgery or broken bone means nothing anyway. Feet are weird. They look weird and they react weird to being injured and anything in regards to a lis franc injury or something as such that occurs within the foot is a pain in the ass to fix and heal.

At any rate, back to your panic. And if somebody is going to be rude and fire back at me, I aint got no time for it.
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Not buying the "makes em work too hard" narrative. Scott put up pretty solid numbers last year, even though his mother was in a coma, so I'm going to guess that he is mentally tough to some extent.

Am buying the broken foot. D.T. kicked the tires, didn't like what he saw, wanted it fixed, and the kid didn't want to go that route. Seems like a pretty simple story, with no need to speculate about work ethic and mental toughness.

Was this rude? I can't tell sometimes.
 
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drewtigeralum said:
Not buying the "makes em work too hard" narrative. Scott put up pretty solid numbers last year, even though his mother was in a coma, so I'm going to guess that he is mentally tough to some extent.

Am buying the broken foot. D.T. kicked the tires, didn't like what he saw, wanted it fixed, and the kid didn't want to go that route. Seems like a pretty simple story, with no need to speculate about work ethic and mental toughness.

Was this rude? I can't tell sometimes.
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Not rude, but it had a hint of fire back in it. lol
 
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drewtigeralum said:
Not buying the "makes em work too hard" narrative. Scott put up pretty solid numbers last year, even though his mother was in a coma, so I'm going to guess that he is mentally tough to some extent.

Am buying the broken foot. D.T. kicked the tires, didn't like what he saw, wanted it fixed, and the kid didn't want to go that route. Seems like a pretty simple story, with no need to speculate about work ethic and mental toughness.

Was this rude? I can't tell sometimes.
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not at all. Just a differing opinion that I disagree with. It says nothing about a kid's character or his future success. I hated running. Many, many kids do and would rather just play ball. Some kids don't mind it. Others hate it. And CDT's teams are running the whole practice. Nothing is half speed.
If I personally am off a broken foot and have one year to go play some ball before the real world, my dad would've told me to go work hard for CDT but my ass would've probably been chilling in Colorado, sweating a little an launching some 3's.
 
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