Another shooting... nothing will change

Like national guard into our cities ? Bet you are ok with that.
Maybe you should ask me what my thoughts are before assuming my position. I agree with them doing it in DC, as that is under their jurisdiction. I'm against it everywhere else in general, but I could understand it if there was a massive crime tsunami that severely crippled the city and the local and state governments refused to stop it.
 
One common element in school shootings is that they tend to occur much more frequently in the United States. According to World Population Review, since the Columbine shooting in 1999, there have have been more people shot to death in American schools or on college campuses (such as Virginia Tech in 2007), than in the rest of the world combined. That is including adults as well as children.

* I have to say, or someone will point it out, that these tragedies are by no means exclusive to the United States. They are more common, however.
That data is suspect as revealed by the footnotes to it.

Different sources use different criteria to determine which events are considered a school shooting. For example, some sources discard events in which shots were fired but no one was hit, or which took place at a university rather than a primary or secondary school. As a result, shooting counts may vary greatly from one source to another.

When a study's criteria are flexible, the conclusions are useless.

The US leads the world in prescribing psychotropic drugs to children and many, many of these shootings are committed by individuals with prescriptions for those types of drugs.
 
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No doubt. They keep electing morons so I suppose they get what they deserve. I’m not sure the social programs, housing costs, jobs for kids, or any of his other idiotic policies will fix cultural disease.
It’s their family members dying.

If they did MLK Blvd in any metro city would look like a nice place to live for all races.
 
Please. How much easier is it to buy a few guns and some ammo and attack a site, versus the planning, time, and expense of building and delivering a bomb? How many bombings with mass casualty results have we had at schools versus guns?

I can just go jump in a dump truck, fill it half way with mass and go to town. It really isn't that hard. Just like your other threads on this subject it isn't going to go anywhere. Mexico has some of the toughest gun laws in the world yet...

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Note: You are major reason why people need guns, you are walking around somewhere.
 
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How about we stage a couple of national guard folks at each school in the country? Equals more police presence to reduce crime in and around schools, and is one heck of a deterrent for a shooter.
 
That data is suspect as revealed by the footnotes to it.

Different sources use different criteria to determine which events are considered a school shooting. For example, some sources discard events in which shots were fired but no one was hit, or which took place at a university rather than a primary or secondary school. As a result, shooting counts may vary greatly from one source to another.

When a study's criteria are flexible, the conclusions are useless.

The US leads the world in prescribing psychotropic drugs to children and many, many of these shootings are committed by individuals with prescriptions for those types of drugs.
Based on reports from around the world, and the data of multiple sources, it is at the very least fair to conclude that since 1999 there have been more people shot to death in American schools than in any other country. There will be statistical discrepancies based on how each individual source defines a school shooting. For example, some sources are reporting the Minneapolis shooting as a church shooting, while others are calling it a school shooting.

.... and you shouldn't bring up the mental illness of some of these shooters and not address the ease of access to firearms that some of them have had, in spite of their diagnosis of mental illness and being on prescription medication for it. The 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School shooter from Newtown, Connecticut, Adam Lanza, wasn't just a dangerous person because of a mental illness or because of any prescribed medication that he was under. He was also dangerous because his mother, Nancy Lanza, was an irresponsible gun owner, who didn't safeguard her arsenal of firearms from her son, who she obviously knew to be mentally ill. She kept a vast array of guns in an unlocked closet in their house. However, because her son killed her before killing 26 people at Sandy Hook Elementary School, there is nobody for law enforcement to hold accountable for this awful tragedy. So, what do we do? Nothing.


 
^^ Worked during the civil rights movement. ^^


Not exactly the same mission or the same reaction likely. As long as they are simply a deterrent and report anything non-emergent to local law enforcement, I would think parents by and large would support it.

You don't have to have them stationed out by the flag pole, in military uniform and carrying a rifle. Just have them walk around and be known by the community to generally be there. That would be something.
 
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Not exactly the same mission or the same reaction likely. As long as they are simply a deterrent and report anything non-emergent to local law enforcement, I would think parents by and large would support it.

You don't have to have them stationed out by the flag pole, in military uniform and carrying a rifle. Just have them walk around and be known by the community to generally be there. That would be something.

Just arm them with a rape whistle. That’ll stop the nuts with guns since they can’t legally be armed in “gun free” zones.
 
Just arm them with a rape whistle. That’ll stop the nuts with guns since they can’t legally be armed in “gun free” zones.


If we aren't going to do anything to stop the nutjobs and extremists from easily arming themselves, there's not much we can do except to try to stop them more quickly at the schools.
 
If we aren't going to do anything to stop the nutjobs and extremists from easily arming themselves, there's not much we can do except to try to stop them more quickly at the schools.
You are absolutely right, and we can stop the vast majority of those nutjobs. Your party won't like one bit how they are identified though. It will be labeled with some sort of 'phobic' label. Profiling works. (Ask El Al airlines)

The problem is that YOUR party doesn't really want to do what needs to be done. You would rather create more of these people.
 
Please. How much easier is it to buy a few guns and some ammo and attack a site, versus the planning, time, and expense of building and delivering a bomb? How many bombings with mass casualty results have we had at schools versus guns?
You didn‘t raise the question of how EASY or FREQUENT different modes of attack were. You focused on speed and how many deaths would occur per unit time in your effort to criticize people pointing out the obvious fact that if guns are unavailable, people will find other ways to kill people and that knives were slower and easier to avoid. So if time and efficiency are your metric, then your criticism falls flat as explosives are speedier than guns in the same way that guns are speedier than knives.
Decide what metric you wish to measure. You can’t switch measurement sticks mid stream.
 
You didn‘t raise the question of how EASY or FREQUENT different modes of attack were. You focused on speed and how many deaths would occur per unit time in your effort to criticize people pointing out the obvious fact that if guns are unavailable, people will find other ways to kill people and that knives were slower and easier to avoid. So if time and efficiency are your metric, then your criticism falls flat as explosives are speedier than guns in the same way that guns are speedier than knives.
Decide what metric you wish to measure. You can’t switch measurement sticks mid stream.


I accept your premise that at least in some cases if guns are not available kooks will use another method -- however, you must then accept my premise that in those situations the great likelihood is that the perpetrator will be far less effective than if he had guns readily available.

Just read there were 100+ rifle casings found so far. Now, I don't know if any of those were law enforcement, sounds like they were all expended by the shooter. 100 rounds, each of them potentially lethal, in minutes if not seconds. Sorry, but you are going to lose this lethality debate, and you know it.
 
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Based on reports from around the world, and the data of multiple sources, it is at the very least fair to conclude that since 1999 there have been more people shot to death in American schools than in any other country. There will be statistical discrepancies based on how each individual source defines a school shooting. For example, some sources are reporting the Minneapolis shooting as a church shooting, while others are calling it a school shooting.

.... and you shouldn't bring up the mental illness of some of these shooters and not address the ease of access to firearms that some of them have had, in spite of their diagnosis of mental illness and being on prescription medication for it. The 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School shooter from Newtown, Connecticut, Adam Lanza, wasn't just a dangerous person because of a mental illness or because of any prescribed medication that he was under. He was also dangerous because his mother, Nancy Lanza, was an irresponsible gun owner, who didn't safeguard her arsenal of firearms from her son, who she obviously knew to be mentally ill. She kept a vast array of guns in an unlocked closet in their house. However, because her son killed her before killing 26 people at Sandy Hook Elementary School, there is nobody for law enforcement to hold accountable for this awful tragedy. So, what do we do? Nothing.



Put the mentality ill in places where they can't hurt themselves or others like what use to occur in this country. The other thing that can occur is third parties stop weaponizing the mentality ill.
 
Just read a story about the CDC official resigned effective today on social media. In his post he accuses Trump of " attempting to erase transgender populations"

I find the timing extremely reckless and insulting. A transgender shooter killed children after posting similar rhetoric. It's this type of hyperbolic language that's often just enough to push someone in a fragile mental state to act out.

I'm not saying he's responsible, and I'm not defending Trump, but we all need to chill out on the hyperbolic rhetoric, it helps no one.
 
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Put the mentality ill in places where they can't hurt themselves or others like what use to occur in this country. The other thing that can occur is third parties stop weaponizing the mentality ill.
It's not easy to involuntarily institutionalize the mentally ill, unless they have attempted suicide or committed a crime, especially when they have a foolish parent who is enabling them.


How stupid must Nancy Lanza have been? She knows her son is suffering from psychosis ..... so she buys him guns for Christmas. You can't protect society from idiots like her and her crazy kid. Impossible.
 
I accept your premise that at least in some cases if guns are not available kooks will use another method -- however, you must then accept my premise that in those situations the great likelihood is that the perpetrator will be far less effective than if he had guns readily available.

Just read there were 100+ rifle casings found so far. Now, I don't know if any of those were law enforcement, sounds like they were all expended by the shooter. 100 rounds, each of them potentially lethal, in minutes if not seconds. Sorry, but you are going to lose this lethality debate, and you know it.

How about we concentrate on getting rid of the kooks.
 
It's not easy to involuntarily institutionalize the mentally ill, unless they have attempted suicide or committed a crime, especially when they have a foolish parent who is enabling them.


How stupid must Nancy Lanza have been? She knows her son is suffering from psychosis ..... so she buys him guns for Christmas. You can't protect society from idiots like her and her crazy kid. Impossible.

If they are danger to themselves or others they can be usually locked up depending on state law. This nutjob could or should have been locked up if it was known to other people. The issue is, the nutjobs are running the asylum and let them all out. The country had many 5+ times as many people locked up in the 50-60s, and the population was like a third.

As I have mentioned on this forum a few times, too many nutjobs walking around and people encourage the extreme behaviors.
 
If they are danger to themselves or others they can be usually locked up depending on state law. This nutjob could or should have been locked up if it was known to other people. The issue is, the nutjobs are running the asylum and let them all out. The country had many 5+ times as many people locked up in the 50-60s, and the population was like a third.

As I have mentioned on this forum a few times, too many nutjobs walking around and people encourage the extreme behaviors.
This isn't true, mentally unwell people are medicated enough to function, then released often with no plan or course of ensuring they stay medicated.

I think medicating people for everything is part of the problem.
 
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