Another reported assault

[Aesius]

This is really sketchy reporting by the Tennessean, and I think you'll only see more and more articles like this from Matt Slovin and Anita Wadhwani.

I agree. I think the latter is especially entrenched in reporting on crime/sexual assault allegations against UT athletes. There will almost certainly be more to come in the near future from her.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Ooo I want to jump in with both feet in this debate.

 

[wmcovol]

I agree. I think the latter is especially entrenched in reporting on crime/sexual assault allegations against UT athletes. There will almost certainly be more to come in the near future from her.

Maybe, just maybe, these guys will realize these "casual hookups" carry baggage and possible jail time. They need to be more selective. I know they are college kids but there are two young men sitting in Davidson County jail wishing they'd thought better.

 

[livefaith]

This is where we as a society have failed. Victims should never feel shame when stepping forward. If a crime was indeed committed, they should feel the desire to report it. Perpetrators care nothing about how their actions effect their victims, victims should have no empathy for the punishment their assailants receive.

The one thing I will say to counter some of the harshness of the statement, if it is proven the allegations are false, the "victim" should face much tougher criminal charges than they are generally subjected to. There needs to be a balance in place to discourage false reporting.

I like the way you're thinking here.

But, I'm not sure how a criminal situation can ever be tried without a serious (maybe even traumatic?) level of discomfort and maybe "shame". In no way should a true rape victim feel shame for what happened. Yet, I see no way how admitting being sexually violated makes anyone feel "good".

Going public is just embarrassing for any victim. Its just an unfortunate reality when trying to turn a crime into justice.

Like you say ... No shame for stepping forward tho.

 

[butchna]

I didn't read the article... I couldn't bring myself to read it but could it be referring to marlin Lane?

Was this article written by the same woman?

 

[Nocleats]

Mods may choose to merge , however
In Football, if a player is receiving a punt or kickoff and signals their intent to make a fair catch, that player can not be tackled or touched by the other team, they have taken themselves out of the play basically. If the receiving player tries to advance after the fair catch they are still ineligible and the play stops at the reception point.


If a woman has been drinking or is drunk, then the same rule basically applies, NO TOUCHING, they have removed themselves from the play. If the lady advances after the point of no longer being sober, she is STILL Ineligible!
How much more clear can the rule be?

 

[hog88]

what's so wrong is that you're angrier about the writing of the article than the possibility that Team 118 had at least 3 rapists

If team 118 had 3 rapist I hope they get everything they deserve, fully prosecuted and sent to prison. I do not want a rag such as the Tennesseean besmirching the University with articles slanted to make numbskulls believe that there is a conspiracy to cover these things up.

 

[MFL]

I haven't said anything about you being elitist - you are mixing up my responses with someone else's.

YES - I agree: Kids need to be raised well and to respect others. And yes, I'm sure that an improper upbringing contributes to plenty of sexual assaults each year.

In regards to Tennessee Football: We have had what... 4 now? Sexual assault crimes reported in the recent past. That's a lot. That's a problem.

It's a Butch Jones problem.

He is either (to your point) recruiting kids who were not properly educated at a developmental age on how to respect women

or

(to my point) not building a system to educate and support these kids to help them make good decisions.

They were suppose to have that kind of program at Vandy where they sit down all incoming students and discuss behavior. I just cant believe they tell them the legal definition of rape and the penalty. How could any male think 10 strokes is worth 15 years in prison. The universities are really failing in this area. Folks that cant comprehend the simple basics of behavior dont need to be in school. Alcohol is no excuse and never will be in rape cases.

 

[Col_Cathcart]

It would appear to me that an investigation occurred and that findings were issued. If you can't get the university to convict, there's no way the case was strong enough to convict in an actual court where the burden of proof is much heavier. Of course, in the court of public opinion the burden of proof is nonexistent so maybe that's why we're seeing this in the paper without any involvement of law enforcement.

 

[hmanvolfan]

Sounds to me like a castration is in order. One or two of those might make the bullet proof athletes think twice about committing rape.

 

[1972 Grad]

They were suppose to have that kind of program at Vandy where they sit down all incoming students and discuss behavior. I just cant believe they tell them the legal definition of rape and the penalty. How could any male think 10 strokes is worth 15 years in prison. The universities are really failing in this area. Folks that cant comprehend the simple basics of behavior dont need to be in school. Alcohol is no excuse and never will be in rape cases.

Only 10 strokes??

 

[wmcovol]

Mods may choose to merge , however
In Football, if a player is receiving a punt or kickoff and signals their intent to make a fair catch, that player can not be tackled or touched by the other team, they have taken themselves out of the play basically. If the receiving player tries to advance after the fair catch they are still ineligible and the play stops at the reception point.


If a woman has been drinking or is drunk, then the same rule basically applies, NO TOUCHING, they have removed themselves from the play. If the lady advances after the point of no longer being sober, she is STILL Ineligible!g
How much more clear can the rule be?

Then you start. First glass of wine your lady has and it's cold shower time for you both.

 

[EZE]

Really? Suddenly going to a party in college is a bad decision? Give me a break.

As for being traumatized, imagine that you were raped by a person when you had blacked out. Then imagine that, some time later, you are drinking and you see that person again in a fairly similar situation to that time. You are highly likely to be almost transported back to that moment when you realized that you were having sex against your will.

I just wish people would stop trying to make sense of how an alleged rape victim handles him/herself after being violated in the most intimate way possible.

Your response is absolutely 100% correct. So, let's get this straight. If you're 19 and you are female, you should stay behind locked doors at all times and not enjoy college life, just so we can protect young men from themselves. I can't believe somebody posted something so ridiculous.

It is right up there with the person who compared it to the trauma he suffered when his car was broken into. that one might actually take the absurdity of the century award.

Where do we get these people?

One last thing that concerns me about this, though. One would think that campus police are required to immediately report crimes to the KPD given that the University has no ability to prosecute criminal charges. I am surprised that didn't happen automatically. Anybody have any insight into this?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I said this months ago, but I think that there is rampant sexual assault issues across the landscape of the NCAA. I think that a lot of players get laid in less than 100% consensual ways at an upsettingly frequent clip. A lot of it is attributed to a sense of entitlement because "don't you know who I am?"

As for updating the recruiting profile, there's just no way to pinpoint this kind of behavior. You can't look at a high school kid and say "sometime during college he's gonna get a girl drunk and bang her when she's barely lucid." You just can't know that. You can teach the kids, you can explicitly state what they should do in certain scenarios or what have you. But in the end, if he wants to get it and all it takes is another 3 drinks before she just isn't going to stop him, then that might happen. And it's terrifying.

Don't get me wrong. This is a serious issue in college as a whole. I just believe the percentage of sexual assault crimes/person is far higher in the athlete community than in the student body as a whole.

How do you "get" someone drunk?

Do you forcibly pour liquor down their throats?

 

[RollerVol]

She brought it to a newspaper! Newspapers make things public. SHE chose for this to go public, so she made her choice. Period. That's completely fine.

But don't act like the public that has this published to them has no right to form an opinion. Also, publicly there is no person because her identity is not public. So every reader has the perfect right to speculate and inspect these accusations and methods.
Stop acting like you're taking some sort of moral high ground by being a defender of a "victim". When someone makes serious accusations against a person or organization, then take it public, then it WILL and SHOULD get scrutinized. Thank God we don't live in a world where a conviction and punishment are given based on an accusation alone.

Tell that to AJ and see how he feels about this world.

GO VOLS!

 

[1972 Grad]

How do you "get" someone drunk?

Do you forcibly pour liquor down their throats?

No. Butt chuggin'.

 

[etsuvol13]

I haven't said anything about you being elitist - you are mixing up my responses with someone else's.

YES - I agree: Kids need to be raised well and to respect others. And yes, I'm sure that an improper upbringing contributes to plenty of sexual assaults each year.

In regards to Tennessee Football: We have had what... 4 now? Sexual assault crimes reported in the recent past. That's a lot. That's a problem.

It's a Butch Jones problem.

He is either (to your point) recruiting kids who were not properly educated at a developmental age on how to respect women

or

(to my point) not building a system to educate and support these kids to help them make good decisions.

I see your point, but you are still asking A FOOTBALL COACH to remedy years of poor parenting. Not only that, you are wanting a football coach to be the defining figure on teaching these players to be responsible adults. These issues with assault and above the law attitudes don't start when they sign their LOI. Its like saying that even though Ive been drinking since I was 14, and my patents said its OK, its up to a college advisor to stop that.

Take a look at those high school players that taped a raping in pa I believe. I believe one of them even said "she is soooo raped.". This starts before they get to college, and all coaches can do now is react.

No matter how much you want to believe its all on butch, its on families and early influences. That's where the blame starts and stops.

 

[Joe Vols]

Your response is absolutely 100% correct. So, let's get this straight. If you're 19 and you are female, you should stay behind locked doors at all times and not enjoy college life, just so we can protect young men from themselves. I can't believe somebody posted something so ridiculous.

It is right up there with the person who compared it to the trauma he suffered when his car was broken into. that one might actually take the absurdity of the century award.

Where do we get these people?

One last thing that concerns me about this, though. One would think that campus police are required to immediately report crimes to the KPD given that the University has no ability to prosecute criminal charges. I am surprised that didn't happen automatically. Anybody have any insight into this?

This putting 100% of the responsability on the guy, and 0% responsability on the girl to stay sober enough to make good decisions, mentality is part of the problem. I have 2 daughters in college, and I have taught both of them that they are responsible for drinking responsibly if and when they drink.
In this case, based on her testimony given in the article, it seems that she drank enough to make some very bad decisions. Yes, you are responsible for your own awareness, because the world is full of bad people, and waiting until after the fact to point blame is too late in many instances. Reality

 

[doctorchoice]

I think there have to be at least 6 or 7 rapists on every football team in America. I would think that at least 4 percent of men are rapists. But science has shown that men with higher levels of Testosterone are more likely to be rapists or commit violence against women. So on a football team there are likely to be more rapists than the general population. It does not surprise me that there would rapists on a football team, I just hope the Tennessee administraton is not covering it up.

 

[Stevorino]

I see your point, but you are still asking A FOOTBALL COACH to remedy years of poor parenting. Not only that, you are wanting a football coach to be the defining figure on teaching these players to be responsible adults. These issues with assault and above the law attitudes don't start when they sign their LOI. Its like saying that even though Ive been drinking since I was 14, and my patents said its OK, its up to a college advisor to stop that.

Take a look at those high school players that taped a raping in pa I believe. I believe one of them even said "she is soooo raped.". This starts before they get to college, and all coaches can do now is react.

No matter how much you want to believe its all on butch, its on families and early influences. That's where the blame starts and stops.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on the level of blame Butch gets.

For his sake, let's just hope this Tennessean article doesn't open up a can of worms for him. If it comes out that he swept a rape under the carpet, two top 5 recruiting classes won't give him much slack.

 

[Stevorino]

I think there have to be at least 6 or 7 rapists on every football team in America. I would think that at least 4 percent of men are rapists. But science has shown that men with higher levels of Testosterone are more likely to be rapists or commit violence against women. So on a football team there are likely to be more rapists than the general population. It does not surprise me that there would rapists on a football team, I just hope the Tennessee administraton is not covering it up.

What % of VolNation posters were born a rapist?

With all the estrogen on here, I'd imagine it's pretty low.

 

[1972 Grad]

I think there have to be at least 6 or 7 rapists on every football team in America. I would think that at least 4 percent of men are rapists. But science has shown that men with higher levels of Testosterone are more likely to be rapists or commit violence against women. So on a football team there are likely to be more rapists than the general population. It does not surprise me that there would rapists on a football team, I just hope the Tennessee administraton is not covering it up.

You think that 1 of every 25 men is a rapist? You must run with a different crowd than I do. I have never known or even met a man who is a rapist to my knowledge. I am sure that they are out there, but I am not aware of who they are.

 

[Joe Vols]

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on the level of blame Butch gets.

For his sake, let's just hope this Tennessean article doesn't open up a can of worms for him. If it comes out that he swept a rape under the carpet, two top 5 recruiting classes won't give him much slack.

There's no way in heII that Butch Jones had anything to do with this. Butch is responsible in a way. As the head coach he is responsible for everything that happens on this team. There's no way this is his fault because of his recruiting. The only thing that could make this his problem at all is how he reacts to these kinds of incidents. So far it seems his response has been to suspend the players at the very first notice of any kind of allegation, and then wait until the proper due diligence has been completed by the investigating authorities handling the cases.
If he was going to sweep anything under the rug, he would have attempted to sweep the AJ situation under the rug. This simply wasn't the case. He just plugged in the next guy, and then went out and won without AJ.

 

[1972 Grad]

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on the level of blame Butch gets.

For his sake, let's just hope this Tennessean article doesn't open up a can of worms for him. If it comes out that he swept a rape under the carpet, two top 5 recruiting classes won't give him much slack.

Isn't Butch the son of a police chief? And isn't he smart enough to know right from wrong? He wouldn't cover up much, I don't think.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Your response is absolutely 100% correct. So, let's get this straight. If you're 19 and you are female, you should stay behind locked doors at all times and not enjoy college life, just so we can protect young men from themselves. I can't believe somebody posted something so ridiculous.

It is right up there with the person who compared it to the trauma he suffered when his car was broken into. that one might actually take the absurdity of the century award.

Where do we get these people?

One last thing that concerns me about this, though. One would think that campus police are required to immediately report crimes to the KPD given that the University has no ability to prosecute criminal charges. I am surprised that didn't happen automatically. Anybody have any insight into this?

No it's not. His first paragraph doesn't even address what was said in the post that he's ridiculing. 19 year olds choosing to drink was the bad decision, not attending a party while in college.