Another reported assault

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It may have already been mentioned but I thought I read that Riyahd Jones was accused of assault just after his decision to transfer. Is that being overlooked? Could it have been him? Just a guess...
 
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pharmDvol11 said:
It may have already been mentioned but I thought I read that Riyahd Jones was accused of assault just after his decision to transfer. Is that being overlooked? Could it have been him? Just a guess...
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I doubt it's him. I believe his accuser went to the police. This one seems to have decided not to.
 
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There's no way to spin it: This is just awful.

I have no judgement on how she's handled it to this point - that's gotta be an awful feeling and I'm sure she's been terrified every step of the way.

Between the NFL with domestic violence and the recent rash of sexual assault issues with the NCAA, it does seem like there's positive momentum to bringing awareness and more swift justice to these kinds of issues. While I can't imagine how difficult it must be, I desperately hope that more victims raise their voices and make these crimes known so that legislative and cultural change happens sooner.
 
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If true, this is bad. But it bothers me that the Tennessean writes and publishes an article with no names whatsoever. I'm not suggesting they name names, I'm suggesting they hold off on the rumor and innuendo until details can be made public.
Butch has shown no tolerance for stuff like this, and that makes me wonder about the veracity of some of the missing details. Perhaps the article will bring all the facts to light, but it seems awfully premature to me.
 
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This is the type of thing I was concerned about when the news first hit on Johnson.

Blood in the water now and, any time a reporter gets a whiff of an assault at UT, they are gonna run with it.
 
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While date rape does happen... Some accusations are just sober regrets the next morning... So stop jumping to conclusions here. These young men deserve just as much respect as these young women. Just because someone is a star athlete, doesn't mean they are bad people. Just because a girl cries rape, doesn't mean she was. That's what makes these cases so complicated, and also why I don't jump to conclusions. There are certain consistencies authorities look for in cases like this to try to ascertain the facts of what happened as much as possible. Stop assuming UT is protecting a player, and trying to sweep this under the rug. The reporter in this case, wrote a biased unsubstantiated editorial article that isn't based on facts, and it should be viewed as an editorial, not news.
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
This is the type of thing I was concerned about when the news first hit on Johnson.

Blood in the water now and, any time a reporter gets a whiff of an assault at UT, they are gonna run with it.
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As they should.

How ****ing hard is it to stop giving them 'whiffs' of assault to write about?
 
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I think it's hard for most guys to understand how a women feels after a sexual assault. Trying not to be too crude here, but a lot of it's the physical violation --someone else is inside YOUR body, probably causing at least some injury. Men who experienced sexual trauma go through the identical thing --the shame, the reluctance to bring charges, the fear of mockery or disgust or pity by others when they find out. It's bad enough that both male and female veterans who experienced MST (military sexual trauma) are able to receive services for it from the VA, even if they are not otherwise eligible for VA care (not in the service long enough, etc.) And as for the impact, many sexual assault victims develop PTSD.

Guys might want to imagine that you were forcibly raped (presumably anally), possibly after making some not-so-great decisions, and what emotions might go through your heads when thinking about going to the ER, going to police, telling your buddies and family what happened, and just generally going about the day-to-day business of living afterwards. Maybe some of the actions of rape victims might be a bit more understandable, even if intellectually you think that they did not choose the wisest course of action. jmo :hi:
 
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Joe Vols said:
While date rape does happen... Some accusations are just sober regrets the next morning... So stop jumping to conclusions here. These young men deserve just as much respect as these young women. Just because someone is a star athlete, doesn't mean they are bad people. Just because a girl cries rape, doesn't mean she was. That's what makes these cases so complicated, and also why I don't jump to conclusions. There are certain consistencies authorities look for in cases like this to try to ascertain the facts of what happened as much as possible. Stop assuming UT is protecting a player, and trying to sweep this under the rug. The reporter in this case, wrote a biased unsubstantiated editorial article that isn't based on facts, and it should be viewed as an editorial, not news.
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This is just factually, 100% inaccurate, which leads me to believe you either didn't read the article, don't know what an editorial is, or are looking for anyway possible to paint the University in a better light.

The article quoted sources directly involved in the investigation, witness statements taken by the University, direct quotes by named sources employed by the University, facts surrounding other cases, etc. At no point did the reporter give an opinion on any of these matters. The only biased editorial here seems to be yours.
 
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I'm only going to comment on what I know.

That article is another example of "gotcha journalism." Police handle issues like this, not journalists. In the simplist terms, the article is full of conjecture.

As evidenced by the Williams / Johnson situation, if the police are rightfully involved, players are suspended and criminal action is pursued. The legal system (as flawed as it may be) then determines guilt or innocence.

As a final thought, I am pleased that the writer chose not to slander anyone by withholding the names of those involved.
 
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Alcohol, parties, and testosterone are all a dangerous mix. It's not unusual for young ladies or guys who have not had that much experience with alcohol to get themselves into situations where they would say or do something totally inconsistent with their normal behavior. I think that the AD should have a formal mentoring program to teach our athletes about the potential problems and give them options of how to handle them. Alcohol seems to be a consistent thread to all these reports. It appears that the lesson to be learned here is don't have sex with drunk chics. Wait till another time when you are sure it is totally consensual and they are sober. That's not easy for a 17, 18, 19 year old.

I want to talk about football and recruiting and not this "stuff".
 
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Let me preface this by saying if this happened I feel horribly for this girl and her family. I can't imagine having a daughter and going through this.

With that said, there are many questions about this story. Alcohol and parties only complicate matters. I know that is part of the college land scape, however. And you don't go to a party expecting to be raped.

I'm sure the name of the player will follow here soon after. Surprised it hasn't already actually as it seems like that would be easy to figure out who was suspended during the time of this going on. It would have been going on during the season as she reported this in September.

Now, I may regret saying this out of fear of being disrespectful. But, there certainly are questions and we certainly don't know all the facts. But, this was at an outdoor, off campus party/gathering. Therefore, she had to agree to go back to the accused players room (unless she was incapacitated, which would have been noticed by others at the party or video camera leading to the players dorm/room). You don't typically go to parties alone either and her friends you would think would notice this. This is where it is different from the AJ case as that occurred at his apartment. And the fact that she had to willingly go back to his room in my opinion would make it very hard to prove that anything unconsential took place. That does not mean it did not, I just think it would be an extremely hard case to prove or prosecute.

If it did in fact happen, the player has no place on the team. He deserves to be behind bars for a very long time. From what little we know, however, it seems like it will be hard to prove.
 
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Some of the uber nerds on here need to go back to the start of the season and see who wasn't on the field for a couple weeks but then reemerged later.
 
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Stevorino said:
As they should.

How ****ing hard is it to stop giving them 'whiffs' of assault to write about?
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I don't disagree with you in the least.

That being said, this particular story is very weak with unnamed assailants and few credible details.

I also have a hard time believing anything The Tennessean reports on this account after their whitewashing of the Vanderbilt and celebration of James Franklin in handling the matter.


Of all the remarkable things James Franklin did on his three-year watch at Vanderbilt (three bowl games, back-to-back nine-win seasons, etc.), one of his biggest accomplishments was getting his team to stay the course and not get sidetracked in the aftermath of the rape case that led to the arrests of four players in the summer of 2013.

That was from a related story by Climer.
 
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CountVolcula said:
Some don't have the will power to resist temptation

Others don't know what the word no means because they've barely heard it their entire lives.
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If we can get these guys to pass college courses, work incredibly stringent schedules, perform athletically at a peak level... I think we can put together a program to keep their social lives a little less tempting to commit sexual assault.


I understand you can't change the culture with the snap of a finger, but I sure hope that the program is doing their absolute best to eradicate this kind of behavior.
 
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BP4Prez said:
Let me preface this by saying if this happened I feel horribly for this girl and her family. I can't imagine having a daughter and going through this.

With that said, there are many questions about this story. Alcohol and parties only complicate matters. I know that is part of the college land scape, however. And you don't go to a party expecting to be raped.

I'm sure the name of the player will follow here soon after. Surprised it hasn't already actually as it seems like that would be easy to figure out who was suspended during the time of this going on. It would have been going on during the season as she reported this in September.

Now, I may regret saying this out of fear of being disrespectful. But, there certainly are questions and we certainly don't know all the facts. But, this was at an outdoor, off campus party/gathering. Therefore, she had to agree to go back to the accused players room (unless she was incapacitated, which would have been noticed by others at the party or video camera leading to the players dorm/room). You don't typically go to parties alone either and her friends you would think would notice this. This is where it is different from the AJ case as that occurred at his apartment. And the fact that she had to willingly go back to his room in my opinion would make it very hard to prove that anything unconsential took place. That does not mean it did not, I just think it would be an extremely hard case to prove or prosecute.

If it did in fact happen, the player has no place on the team. He deserves to be behind bars for a very long time. From what little we know, however, it seems like it will be hard to prove.
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the Tennessean regularly hurts good people with agenda reporting and total disregard for the truth. Don't believe word you read in that toilet paper.
 
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crusse10 said:
so another alleged rape victim gets run through the ringer on VN

happy valentine's day
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I don't think that's what's happening. People are just trying to make sense of some of the unusual circumstances of what's been reported. Throw in that it's the Tennessean that's reporting it, and you get some of the questions being asked.
 
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These kids get all kinds of training for their bodies, nutritional counseling, tutors for school. Do they get any training on sexual assault prevention? Should be standard for all athletes at this point.
 
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knoxvol16 said:
I'm only going to comment on what I know.

That article is another example of "gotcha journalism." Police handle issues like this, not journalists. In the simplist terms, the article is full of conjecture.

As evidenced by the Williams / Johnson situation, if the police are rightfully involved, players are suspended and criminal action is pursued. The legal system (as flawed as it may be) then determines guilt or innocence.

As a final thought, I am pleased that the writer chose not to slander anyone by withholding the names of those involved.
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Exactly.

I have nothing but disdain for Johnson and any of these guys that are being brought up on charges.

Plenty of players have made it through Knoxville without being accused of rape.

Despite all of that, I see this as an attempt to pile on by the Tennessean.
 
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