Another reported assault

[GoVols15]

I don't know what authority UT police are under today, but a long time ago they had the same powers as Knox County sheriffs deputies.

Just by that statement you prove you really know nothing about campus police, city departments, or sheriff's departments!

Quit running down the fine men and women who work in campus police when you really do not know what you are talking about.

To ge just a little educated go research a few laws like Clery and VAWA. Then research the Tennessee POST Commision.
:loco:

 

[CountVolcula]

My zero tolerance of this issue has arrived. The societal response/disgust with this growing college problem puts us in the same conversation with the Florida States.

If there is any merit to this claim (along with recent incidents) my respect for the athletic administration has taken a big hit.

With the blessings of daughters (no sons yet), I'm taking it all in with a sick feeling in my stomach.

They are a POS in my book

 

[weirdfishes]

The fact that the UT investigation cleared the football player means nothing to me.

Vanderbilt found no wrong doing in their investigation of the Vandy Rape Trial guys.

There's an epidemic of rape culture and athletes in this country. We have to fix it.

 

[GetEmVols]

We lose with good kids, everyone wants thugs. We start to get some good momentum and arrests start happening. Everyone complains. God I love this place.

Wow..

 

[bnhunt]

That makes me sick to my stomach reading that. You can tell her dad was a big Vol fan by his comments about running through the T. That could be any of us and our families. I obviously have no idea what happened, but I hope to goodness things get straightened out because there are a lot more important things in life than football.

Agree Volgrad. I felt the same way reading the article. No way to know what really happened, but it certainly doesn't paint the university or football program in a good light. I feel sorry for the girl and her family no matter what actually occurred because they obviously loved the University of Tennessee prior to this incident, but have lost all respect for the institution. She did choose to handle it through the university and not local authorities, which makes it more likely to be handled the way it was, but this story is just bad all the way around.

 

[bnhunt]

I agree. It's a matter for the police, not an organization that exists to educate the population. Her side of the story sounds horrible, but I don't understand how if it was this bad why she didn't go to the police and instead pursued it through a university disciplinary system. It doesn't make sense that she wanted him kicked off the team and out of school as opposed to going to jail. She's either a nut or isn't making good choices on how to handle the matter. IMO more likely the latter.

If this was your 19-year-old daughter and she called you with this story would you call her a "nut" too? I doubt it. Man, no one loves the Vols more than me, but don't dismiss all these stories just because it involves our football team.

 

[tri_vol]

If this was your 19-year-old daughter and she called you with this story would you call her a "nut" too? I doubt it. Man, no one loves the Vols more than me, but don't dismiss all these stories just because it involves our football team.

If it was my daughter we are going to the cops

 

[davethevol]

A lot of crimes go unreported for various reasons

Ridicule, fear of retaliation, shame

Rape and Sexual assault are a very demeaning crime for the victim. Depending on the person, it can be very hard to talk about, especially if its against a person you thought was a friend or the victim looked up to that person. The victim can also be in a situation where they believe if they report the crime it will be detrimental to themselves or another person they love. Perps often tell the victim they will kill them or worse, someone they care about, like a mother/father or child.

People who commit rape or Sexual Assault are sadistic people

I understand that. But her quoted reason for not reporting it to the police and then reporting it to the University and then to a huge newspaper makes 0 sense. We also know that UT takes this kind of stuff VERY seriously, and that if her story had and merit something would have happened to the football player.

 

[GOATeric14berry]

So my question is has campus rape always been this bad And It was just covered up or the defendent did press charges.

 

[bnhunt]

If it was my daughter we are going to the cops

What if she said she was concerned about her name and indentity being leaked if she went to local authorites (see alleged victim in AJ case whose name was leaked on here) and that everyone on the Internet would tear her apart if she did? Just like a lot are doing on this thread.

 

[bnhunt]

It's just very strange. She doesn't want the attention that comes with going to the police yet reports it to the university, confronts the accuser at a party, and takes it to the media. I guess she is seeking her own form of justice.

Not sure I would call this (see below) "confronting" her accuser, but I guess she isn't allowed to go to parties or her leave her dorm room ever again.

"In early January, just two days after returning from winter break for her second semester, the 19-year-old woman encountered her alleged assailant at a fraternity party."

 

[wmcovol]

One reason she doesn't go to local police is she doesn't want the investigation into the entire story. So far she's only got to tell her side. Some of this rape talk is actually little girls going too far and then realizing their friends are going to find out. Listen, ladies, don't go into bedrooms with guys at parties don't let other guys watch you have sex with someone. Don't text trash to men behind your boyfriends back.

The Tennessean was hellbent to report a story on Tennessee that compares with Vandy. I think this is the Lane story but I may be wrong. It certainly would be like the Tennessean to report Lane as a current player as he played in Jan.

 

[volgrad500]

I understand that. But her quoted reason for not reporting it to the police and then reporting it to the University and then to a huge newspaper makes 0 sense. We also know that UT takes this kind of stuff VERY seriously, and that if her story had and merit something would have happened to the football player.

She trusted the program that UT has established for these types of incidents and that they would do the right thing (and they may have, she might just not like the result-we simply don't know). But that was in SEPTEMBER. Wouldn't you become more vocal about it if five months after you reported it you felt like you hadn't gotten an adequate response? If you were her dad, living with the thought of your daughter being raped and the consequences of what she's going through, being going out of your mind- only to be given what you feel is a stonewall from the University?
People keep saying it's strange she didn't go to the cops, but nobody says it's strange that the University admits they deviated from their normal procedures. Why is that? What is different from THIS incident that separates it from AJ's case or any of the others?

 

[bnhunt]

She trusted the program that UT has established for these types of incidents and that they would do the right thing (and they may have, she might just not like the result-we simply don't know). But that was in SEPTEMBER. Wouldn't you become more vocal about it if five months after you reported it you felt like you hadn't gotten an adequate response? If you were her dad, living with the thought of your daughter being raped and the consequences of what she's going through, being going out of your mind- only to be given what you feel is a stonewall from the University?
People keep saying it's strange she didn't go to the cops, but nobody says it's strange that the University admits they deviated from their normal procedures. Why is that? What is different from THIS incident that separates it from AJ's case or any of the others?

Bingo^^^. The accuser not reporting the incident to authorities is "strange" and makes her a "liar", but the university deviating from its normal operating procedure isn't a big deal?

 

[volgrad500]

One reason she doesn't go to local police is she doesn't want the investigation into the entire story. So far she's only got to tell her side. Some of this rape talk is actually little girls going too far and then realizing their friends are going to find out. Listen, ladies, don't go into bedrooms with guys at parties don't let other guys watch you have sex with someone. Don't text trash to men behind your boyfriends back.

The Tennessean was hellbent to report a story on Tennessee that compares with Vandy. I think this is the Lane story but I may be wrong. It certainly would be like the Tennessean to report Lane as a current player as he played in Jan.

The article clearly says this is concerning a previously unreported incident, so it couldn't be Lane. Or, which is possible, the article is just wrong. But if you believe what they are saying it can't be Lane.

 

[tri_vol]

What if she said she was concerned about her name and indentity being leaked if she went to local authorites and that everyone on the Internet would tear her apart if she did? Just like a lot are doing on this thread.

I'd tell her it doesn't matter what people say because I'm going to be her side the whole time and doing the right thing is rarely easy.

 

[bnhunt]

I'd tell her it doesn't matter what people say because I'm going to be her side the whole time and doing the right thing is rarely easy.

Easy for us to say. Might be entirely different if you are the alleged victim or her family.

 

[kentucky sucks]

If I was her dad I'd want her to pass on telling the cops and just let me handle it. I've got 80 acres and a backhoe.

 

[jlawso21]

How a person handles being raped does not have to make sense to you or anyone else. It doesn't even have to make sense to that person. It's dealing with one of the most difficult things that you'll ever have to deal with in your life.

I'm so sorry about your car. Hope you somehow found a way to rebuild your psyche and found a way to ever trust people again.

Yes, how a rape victim reacts does mattter to "anyone else". I have had enough of people surrounding an alleged rape victim with some kind of blanket immunity from even the simplest of questions about their own actions.

If you are going to accuse another person of rape you better be ready to have the whole sequence of events examined in minute detail, whether it's being investigated by the university, the police, or the press. You don't get to accuse someone of a crime that could land that person in jail for a long time, ruin their future career, and smear their reputation without everything, and I mean everything being examined.

I don't like rape, but I don't like people implying that women should not have scrutiny applied to their actions during an investigation. And by the way, this is not only the fair way to do it, it is rooted in law. Many of the laws that we have that force people to be transparent are the result of people abusing investigative powers in their zealous prosecution of people they perceive as guilty, before any facts have been established.

 

[tri_vol]

Easy for us to say. Might be entirely different if you are the alleged victim or her family.

True but I've had some limited dealings in these types of situations. If her father and mother didn't take her to the police then they failed her as parents.

 

[Sandvol]

When are you guys going to stop blaming potential victims here? Any SOB, don't care if he is a 5 star, starts as a freshman, first team all American, if he is assaulting women on campus I want his ass locked up and the key thrown away.

 

[volgrad500]

True but I've had some limited dealings in these types of situations. If her father and mother didn't take her to the police then they failed her as parents.

So after reading that article, you choose to focus on what you perceive is the wrong actions of the girl for not going to the police and the failures of her parents for not forcing her to go to the police?

And by the way, what makes you think she isn't going to go to the police? It's possible and probably even likely at this point, that after giving UT the chance to handle it she does go to KPD. Will that lift this cloud of suspicion you have concerning the girl and her family?

 

[wmcovol]

When are you guys going to stop blaming potential victims here? Any SOB, don't care if he is a 5 star, starts as a freshman, first team all American, if he is assaulting women on campus I want his ass locked up and the key thrown away.

I'm against any actions of violence towards women but the entire story has to be told. There are too many episodes where these girls hookup with someone only to scream rape when their friends find out. Frankly, that's what I think happened at FSU. I have no tolerance for that also.

 

[Biopsyman]

Bad

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

I said this months ago, but I think that there is rampant sexual assault issues across the landscape of the NCAA. I think that a lot of players get laid in less than 100% consensual ways at an upsettingly frequent clip. A lot of it is attributed to a sense of entitlement because "don't you know who I am?"

As for updating the recruiting profile, there's just no way to pinpoint this kind of behavior. You can't look at a high school kid and say "sometime during college he's gonna get a girl drunk and bang her when she's barely lucid." You just can't know that. You can teach the kids, you can explicitly state what they should do in certain scenarios or what have you. But in the end, if he wants to get it and all it takes is another 3 drinks before she just isn't going to stop him, then that might happen. And it's terrifying.

Don't get me wrong. This is a serious issue in college as a whole. I just believe the percentage of sexual assault crimes/person is far higher in the athlete community than in the student body as a whole.

In another thread I pointed out how alcohol and drugs play a big role in these type of situations leading to rape and or sexual assault. To my surprise, I was informed I was WRONG. Apparently those factors are just not true and only "evil" people find themselves accused of such things.

SMH3