Another Government Shutdown Thread

[hog88]

Your sarcasm makes my point but I assume that you just wanted to argue pointlessly and don’t realize it.

Yeah, you nailed it as usual.

 

[NorthDallas40]

You need two thirds of the states to call it, and then you'd need 3/4 of the state legislatures to ratify it. Good luck with THAT!

Trying to enact Constitutional amendments makes passing a budget through Congress look like a picnic. It will never happen in today's environment.

Why do you keep asking me what I want and then telling me I can’t have it? How exactly is that helpful?

Screw all of congress. That is all.

 

[hog88]

You need two thirds of the states to call it, and then you'd need 3/4 of the state legislatures to ratify it. Good luck with THAT!

Trying to enact Constitutional amendments makes passing a budget through Congress look like a picnic. It will never happen in today's environment.

You're probably right, so all that we are left with is bloodshed.

 

[NorthDallas40]

You're probably right, so all that we are left with is bloodshed.

While I would like to give this post a like I don’t want to wind up on (another) watch list. No offense but all members of Congress collectively are as useful as one of your teets.

 

[volfanhill]

You're probably right, so all that we are left with is bloodshed.

Depends. Who is playing on Monday Night Football and what's the cost of a sixer?

 

[Vol423]

My only point is that for all of you that are bitching and moaning about Congress, all of your proposed solutions of Constitutional Amendments are pure fantasyland. Those processes make passing a budget through Congress look like a cakewalk by comparison. Those processes were intentionally designed to be extremely difficult so that we don't end up with our federal government being radically changed by socialists, for example.

 

[hog88]

My only point is that for all of you that are bitching and moaning about Congress, all of your priposed solutions of Constitutional Amendments are pure fantasyland. Those processes make passing a budget through Congresslook like a cakewalk by comparison. Those processes were intentionally designed to be extremely difficult so that we don't end up with our federal government being radically changed by socialists, for example.

But is has been without an amendment being passed.

The simple fact is that the US has less than 100 years left before it balkanizes or ends up under authoritarian 1 party rule unless we radically scale back the power and size of the federal government.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Absolutely not! That's a terrible idea, house members should answer to their constituents within their district (also should be the only people/corps allowed to donate to them) and senators should answer to their state legislatures.

Ok I’ll take your recommendation on house. It better represents the bicameral intentions. Senators should answer to their state capitol though. And be recalled if they don’t listen and act accordingly.

Waaaaaaaay down the list of places they should be taking any input/direction from is the White House.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

So repeal the filibuster.

Your party will do that when they are back in power. Be patient

 

[FLVOL_79]

I want a government that lets lazy people who refuse to work starve to death and ONLY helps those who cannot help themselves.

Hell yeah brotha!

Cue the America, F Yeah song!

 

[NorthDallas40]

Also. Screw Rand Paul. That is all

Reporter's Notebook: Paul stands firm against spending bill as shutdown clock ticks

Rand Paul blocks Senate vote on government funding over hemp regulations, potentially extending shutdown through complex procedural delays.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Vol423]

Also. Screw Rand Paul. That is all

Reporter's Notebook: Paul stands firm against spending bill as shutdown clock ticks

Rand Paul blocks Senate vote on government funding over hemp regulations, potentially extending shutdown through complex procedural delays.

www.foxnews.com

Rand Paul has always been a tool.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Rand Paul has always been a tool.

I’ve been a fan of quite a few of his stances RE government spending. While I didn’t think he usually stood a chance he at least drew attention to spending. But this is about as stupid of a time to grand stand over this pot bill as he could possibly pick.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Also, I'm glad to know that young people never need health care. I'm sure the folks at St. Jude will be glad to hear they can close down.

Since you brought it up, SJH is a phenomenal example of how altruistic giving should work. As I'm sure you are aware, nearly their entire funding comes from charitable contributions (c. $2B annually), and other than a small government research grant here or there, they receive almost no federal funding/tax money. They file insurance, where applicable, accept payment from those who are able, but the vast majority of patient care expense is covered by those who choose to give faithfully to the hospital. Nobody is forced to pay higher premiums to cover indigent patients or those requiring costly treatments.

 

[lawgator1]

Since you brought it up, SJH is a phenomenal example of how altruistic giving should work. As I'm sure you are aware, nearly their entire funding comes from charitable contributions (c. $2B annually), and other than a small government research grant here or there, they receive almost no federal funding/tax money. They file insurance, where applicable, accept payment from those who are able, but the vast majority of patient care expense is covered by those who choose to give faithfully to the hospital. Nobody is forced to pay higher premiums to cover indigent patients or those requiring costly treatments.

Thats great but isn’t always going to be available, to either kids or just 25 or 30 year olds who figured they'd roll the dice and not buy any coverage.

Then they have cancer, or a car accident, and need $250,000 in care.

Do we say tough, you die?

Or does Medicaid or something else jump in and shift the cost to everyone else, increasing our premiums ?

If we force everyone to buy in, at some level, its truly the most Republican notion out there. No free rides. May be a discounted ride. But not entirely free.

 

[GroverCleveland]

So repeal the filibuster.

Worse.

 

[RockyTop85]

Worse.

Exactly.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Rand Paul has always been a tool.

A true conservative wouldn't feel that way.

Rand Paul is one of the last fiscally responsible members of Congress. Most every other Republican only cares about reigning in spending, when a Democrat is President. Paul has been consistent.

 

[volfanhill]

A true conservative wouldn't feel that way.

Rand Paul is one of the last fiscally responsible members of Congress. Most every other Republican only cares about reigning in spending, when a Democrat is President. Paul has been consistent.

He showed his true colors when he spent years fighting emergency funds after national disasters until Kentucky needed one. Then he was out hat in hand.

 

[Vol423]

A true conservative wouldn't feel that way.

Rand Paul is one of the last fiscally responsible members of Congress. Most every other Republican only cares about reigning in spending, when a Democrat is President. Paul has been consistent.

No he isn’t. He votes for tons of spending. He’s an opportunist.

 

[BowlBrother85]

No he isn’t. He votes for tons of spending. He’s an opportunist.

He showed his true colors when he spent years fighting emergency funds after national disasters until Kentucky needed one. Then he was out hat in hand.

That's ridiculous.

I don't mind seeing the guy bashed .... but he is fiscally conservative.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

That's ridiculous.

I don't mind seeing the guy bashed .... but he is fiscally conservative.

A fiscal conservative doesnt vote for trillions in deficit spending. Especially more than once...

 

[volfanhill]

That's ridiculous.

I don't mind seeing the guy bashed .... but he is fiscally conservative.

He's the worst kind of fiscal conservative. A fake one.

 

[Sea Ray]

Also. Screw Rand Paul. That is all

Reporter's Notebook: Paul stands firm against spending bill as shutdown clock ticks

Rand Paul blocks Senate vote on government funding over hemp regulations, potentially extending shutdown through complex procedural delays.

www.foxnews.com

Much ado about nothing. Rand Paul didn't hold anything up. It's going to the House

The package now moves to the GOP-controlled House for a final vote as soon as Wednesday and then to President Trump’s desk. House Republicans are expected to back the bill, which also has the blessing of the White House.

Final Senate passage came less than 24 hours after a dramatic procedural vote late Sunday, in which the same eight Democrats broke with their party to advance the measure 60-40, just hitting the 60-vote threshold needed to advance the bill under the Senate filibuster rule. On the final vote Monday night, only a simple majority was required.

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www.wsj.com

 

[kiddiedoc]

Thats great but isn’t always going to be available, to either kids or just 25 or 30 year olds who figured they'd roll the dice and not buy any coverage.

Then they have cancer, or a car accident, and need $250,000 in care.

Do we say tough, you die?

Or does Medicaid or something else jump in and shift the cost to everyone else, increasing our premiums ?

If we force everyone to buy in, at some level, its truly the most Republican notion out there. No free rides. May be a discounted ride. But not entirely free.

So, are you retracting your St Jude comment?

As to the above content: in what crazy world do you live where you think forcing everyone to "buy in" and cover all the irresponsible people who need costly healthcare is a) "the most Republican notion out there" or b) remotely feasible? Sounds more like socialized medicine, to me, and then the government gets to decide who gets treatment and to what degree/expense.