Another Government Shutdown Thread

[lawgator1]

So, are you retracting your St Jude comment?

As to the above content: in what crazy world do you live where you think forcing everyone to "buy in" and cover all the irresponsible people who need costly healthcare is a) "the most Republican notion out there" or b) remotely feasible? Sounds more like socialized medicine, to me, and then the government gets to decide who gets treatment and to what degree/expense.

No, I do not retract my comment. Do you not understand that a hospital cannot turn someone away who needs emergent care ? Someone who pays NOTHING into the system arrives with a heart attack and needs hundreds of thousands of dollars of care will get it.

The ACA made people buy insurance or pay a penalty, used to offset indigent care costs. The GOP removed the penalty so now people don't have to pay in.

This increases costs to the rest of us. You have a choice: either broaden the base of people paying in, or remove the mandate that people in need of life saving care get it even if they are uninsured and can't pay for it.

 

[C-south]

No, I do not retract my comment. Do you not understand that a hospital cannot turn someone away who needs emergent care ? Someone who pays NOTHING into the system arrives with a heart attack and needs hundreds of thousands of dollars of care will get it.

The ACA made people buy insurance or pay a penalty, used to offset indigent care costs. The GOP removed the penalty so now people don't have to pay in.

This increases costs to the rest of us. You have a choice: either broaden the base of people paying in, or remove the mandate that people in need of life saving care get it even if they are uninsured and can't pay for it.

Lol. So you’re saying just NOW the costs were distributed to everyone else?

 

[allstar34]

Cut foreign aid and spend on (American) Citizens.

 

[volfanhill]

No, I do not retract my comment. Do you not understand that a hospital cannot turn someone away who needs emergent care ? Someone who pays NOTHING into the system arrives with a heart attack and needs hundreds of thousands of dollars of care will get it.

The ACA made people buy insurance or pay a penalty, used to offset indigent care costs. The GOP removed the penalty so now people don't have to pay in.

This increases costs to the rest of us. You have a choice: either broaden the base of people paying in, or remove the mandate that people in need of life saving care get it even if they are uninsured and can't pay for it.

Did that increase costs? Marginally. You passed a shat bill. Refuse to admit it bc it attacks your saviors legacy. Bc that legacy is ass. That legacy is a failed high jacking of our healthcare system and Trump.

 

[kiddiedoc]

No, I do not retract my comment. Do you not understand that a hospital cannot turn someone away who needs emergent care ? Someone who pays NOTHING into the system arrives with a heart attack and needs hundreds of thousands of dollars of care will get it.

The ACA made people buy insurance or pay a penalty, used to offset indigent care costs. The GOP removed the penalty so now people don't have to pay in.

This increases costs to the rest of us. You have a choice: either broaden the base of people paying in, or remove the mandate that people in need of life saving care get it even if they are uninsured and can't pay for it.

You're all over the place. St Jude Hospital and cancer treatment are very different from a car accident victim needing emergency care. I've been here plenty long to know your game, though.

 

[EasternVol]

If I am a healthy young person, why the hell should you force me to pay for something I do not need? Why do I need to pay for the rampant diabetes of fat asses who eat like a bunch of feeder pigs? And what program where the government has put money into did not make the resulting product or service more expensive and substandard? Off the top of my head, I cannot think of one.

In my younger days, my biggest health risk was an automobile accident. I carried plenty of insurance for that. As I got older, the risk profile changed and my selections did as well. OC has only cost me either money or coverage.

Once upon a time, the TVA.

 

[Godfatha]

If I am a healthy young person, why the hell should you force me to pay for something I do not need? Why do I need to pay for the rampant diabetes of fat asses who eat like a bunch of feeder pigs? And what program where the government has put money into did not make the resulting product or service more expensive and substandard? Off the top of my head, I cannot think of one.

In my younger days, my biggest health risk was an automobile accident. I carried plenty of insurance for that. As I got older, the risk profile changed and my selections did as well. OC has only cost me either money or coverage.

Just seen the gov piss away $450 million on one project with nothing to show for it except half finished buildings and now the project is cancelled.

 

[LouderVol]

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www.usnews.com

It is well-documented that President Bill Clinton made significant concessions to House Speaker Newt Gingrich in 1996, in order to reform the US welfare system with the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act.

good point.

pretty telling that we don't have any examples from this millenia. yeah I am playing with the technicality of millenia just being the date and not actually 1000 years. but its telling that the example we have is almost 30 years old.

also its pretty funny because the first image in that article is Monica Lewinsky.

 

[LouderVol]

Things are rarely 50:50. It's usually 51 or more on one side. Where do the R's deserve blame here?

not passing a budget.
being trump mouthpieces instead of shutting up and doing their jobs.
drop the blame game.
stop trying to make it about political wins, or the other side "losing".

their failures and faults made the shut possible, and probably inevitable.

 

[LSU-SIU]

No, I do not retract my comment. Do you not understand that a hospital cannot turn someone away who needs emergent care ? Someone who pays NOTHING into the system arrives with a heart attack and needs hundreds of thousands of dollars of care will get it.

The ACA made people buy insurance or pay a penalty, used to offset indigent care costs. The GOP removed the penalty so now people don't have to pay in.

This increases costs to the rest of us. You have a choice: either broaden the base of people paying in, or remove the mandate that people in need of life saving care get it even if they are uninsured and can't pay for it.

1. no it did not make people buy insurance, traditional insurance has been statutorily eliminated.... you have a plan
2. a good portion of the people buying those ACA plans still don't have enough coverage to pay for a good portion of the things that would land people in the emergency room
3. not everyone is covered... as those people can't afford even those crappy plans
4. if you don't make money or are an illegal - you are still not paying in.... in a good portion of the cases for people that couldn't afford it... it would make sense to pay the penalty

This increases costs to the rest of us.

No, the medical industry is running a scam and the ACA is just a small scam running on top of that to allow about $40B of government to go out the door and to get poor people to foot the bill on plans that really aren't doing anything for them.

I have some big beautiful bridges to sell you.

BTW if the USSC would address this today, I would gather the ruling would most likely be drastically different. The USSC didn't say it was a penalty which was opposite of Congressional intent, but it was a tax. The whole ruling makes zero sense that I can see because they don't really want to address how absurd Title 26 is.

 

[Sea Ray]

not passing a budget.
being trump mouthpieces instead of shutting up and doing their jobs.
drop the blame game.
stop trying to make it about political wins, or the other side "losing".

their failures and faults made the shut possible, and probably inevitable.

All of that behavior was done by the other side the previous 4 yrs. It's gotten to the point where it's the new normal. Shutdowns ought not be a new normal. Doing so compounds these errors. These things need to be handled in a better way. Nothing productive was accomplished by this shutdown

 

[LouderVol]

Thats great but isn’t always going to be available, to either kids or just 25 or 30 year olds who figured they'd roll the dice and not buy any coverage.

Then they have cancer, or a car accident, and need $250,000 in care.

Do we say tough, you die?

Or does Medicaid or something else jump in and shift the cost to everyone else, increasing our premiums ?

If we force everyone to buy in, at some level, its truly the most Republican notion out there. No free rides. May be a discounted ride. But not entirely free.

before ACA they could have catastrophic coverage only. so any big lifetime event didn't ruin them. I know because that is what I had. it was cheap, but effective.

I say before because after ACA that option was largely gone. ACA literally created the problem you are pretending to care about now.

 

[LouderVol]

All of that behavior was done by the other side the previous 4 yrs. It's gotten to the point where it's the new normal. Shutdowns ought not be a new normal. Doing so compounds these errors. These things need to be handled in a better way. Nothing productive was accomplished by this shutdown

then don't vote for either party. as long as you do so, this is what you will get. again its the new normal.

only way to stop it is to shake the tree. kinda like football or anything new you try, at first you will take your lumps, (lose elections) and have to get stuff worked out. but once you get it running, it takes care of itself and makes the investment worth it.

 

[Sea Ray]

before ACA they could have catastrophic coverage only. so any big lifetime event didn't ruin them. I know because that is what I had. it was cheap, but effective.

I say before because after ACA that option was largely gone. ACA literally created the problem you are pretending to care about now.

Have you seen the size of the deductibles on the exchange these days? They are catastrophic policies. Problem is they aren't cheap anymore

 

[LouderVol]

Have you seen the size of the deductibles on the exchange these days? They are catastrophic policies. Problem is they aren't cheap anymore

thats fair.

 

[Jxn Vol]

Cut foreign aid and spend on (American) Citizens.

It is our money

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Shutdown Deal Packs A Surprise As Republicans Strike Back After Phone Snooping​

Republican senators caught up in Jack Smith’s phone-record seizures may soon get their chance to strike back thanks to a provision quietly tucked into a bill the Senate passed Monday night.

The provision was included in a bill that funded the legislative branch and was part of the package passed by the Senate to end the government shutdown. It would allow senators to sue for damages if the government accessed their records without their knowledge.

Shutdown Deal Packs A Surprise As Republicans Strike Back After Phone Snooping

Republican senators caught up in Jack Smith’s phone-record seizures may soon get their chance to strike back thanks to a provision quietly tucked into a bill the Senate passed Monday night.The provision was included in a bill that funded the legislative branch and was part of the package passed...

www.dailywire.com

 

[walkenvol]

I don’t fully understand the big picture of how the ACA has affected insurance premiums, but it’s getting out of hand in the private sector also. For example, AT&T non union employees received a 31% increase in their monthly premiums on their high deductible health care insurance for 2026. In 8 years the annual cost of premiums for the individual only (no dependent coverage) has risen from $480 to $4,970. Don’t know if this is an outlier or is common across the entire health insurance industry? The media loves to mention housing, gas & groceries to gauge inflation but what other life staples has increased over 1000% in the last 8 years?

 

[Franklin Pierce]

President Trump to Recommend $10K Bonuses for Air Traffic Controllers Who Worked During Democrat Shutdown​

President Donald Trump is recommending air traffic controllers who remained at their posts during the Democrat government shutdown be rewarded.

Trump Wants $10K Bonuses for ATC's Who Worked During Shutdown

President Trump is recommending air traffic controllers who remained at their posts during the Democrat government shutdown be rewarded.

www.breitbart.com

 

[Sea Ray]

Some of these Obamacare plans leave you vulnerable for $21K in expenses per year. That's not insurance. You are pretty much self insuring with plans like that and there's nothing affordable about that

Out-of-pocket maximum/limit - Glossary

Learn about out-of-pocket maximums/limits by reviewing the definition in the HealthCare.gov Glossary.

www.healthcare.gov

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[GroverCleveland]

Once upon a time, the TVA.

Agree with this, but is it still true? Seems like it is rife with greed and corruption at its top levels with fat cat executives and a board willing to go along with it for God-knows how much in payoffs to them.

 

[lawgator1]

Trump has been promising to replace the ACA for years. So have the GOP leaders in Congress. Over and over and over again, they have promised.

So far?

 

[volfan102455]

My opinion - the ACA did not address the cost part of health care - it only addressed access to 'coverage'. So, more folks with a level access that will cover some, but not all of the costs - but nothing really geared at reducing the overall costs of care. You have to address the actual costs of care to make it affordable.

 

[volfan102455]

Trump has been promising to replace the ACA for years. So have the GOP leaders in Congress. Over and over and over again, they have promised.

So far?

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To be honest he has had 4 years and 11 months and a congress and/or senate that likes to stall legislation. Biden and the Democrats had 4 years. Crickets from that time frame as well.

The reality is that NEITHER PARTY had addressed that ACA has failed with its original promise.