Amateur Hour Continues

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Purple Tiger said:
Based on this picture, Trump never misses a meal.

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So, we're fat shaming now? F***ing bigot.
 
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Velo Vol said:
When was there ever a federal plan? What was it?
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Yeah, Idk why people are acting like it was a one-size-fits-all plan. MS shut down way after TN; SD still hasn’t shut down, as far as I know.

Governors probably should have pushed the decision downstream to municipalities or made decisions on a location by location basis, to account for different population densities. There might be reasons why that wasn’t done, but that makes the most sense to me.
 
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0nelilreb said:
It always shocks me to see how people don’t understand the difference between state and federal powers. The feds can only advise states , the governors can tell him to go kick rocks .
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There wasn't even any specific advice.

A pandemic is clearly a national problem that requires a national strategy. No state is set up to handle it.

Listen to this story of how Illinois was scrambling to order masks from China. It's ridiculous.


 
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Velo Vol said:
There wasn't even any specific advice.

A pandemic is clearly a national problem that requires a national strategy. No state is set up to handle it.

Listen to this story of how Illinois was scrambling to order masks from China. It's ridiculous.


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The CDC has indeed been giving advice thru out this fiasco which is their charter. It is up to the governors to act for their states. Your narrative is not the way our government is organized.

And why was Illinois not prepared to protect their citizens? And New York for that matter?
 
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Velo Vol said:
There wasn't even any specific advice.

A pandemic is clearly a national problem that requires a national strategy. No state is set up to handle it.

Listen to this story of how Illinois was scrambling to order masks from China. It's ridiculous.


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Oh. Then I disagree. In terms of what areas to implement social distancing or close businesses, etc. I think the Governors are/were in a better position (legally and in terms of knowing their state) to make those decisions.

The role of the federal government should have been to use the stockpile to supplement state needs and use (what’s left of) the expertise infrastructure to provide guidance on what statistics they should be considering and what critical benchmarks can be used to understand those statistics relative to the state. There may be other responsibilities for the feds but those come to mind first.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Oh. Then I disagree. In terms of what areas to implement social distancing or close businesses, etc. I think the Governors are/were in a better position (legally and in terms of knowing their state) to make those decisions.

The role of the federal government should have been to use the stockpile to supplement state needs and use (what’s left of) the expertise infrastructure to provide guidance on what statistics they should be considering and what critical benchmarks can be used to understand those statistics relative to the state. There may be other responsibilities for the feds but those come to mind first.
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Yes, legally it has to come from the states--that's why I said a national strategy. And yes, it's best tailored locally, which can be part of a national plan (benchmarks). It need not be a federal decree. Obviously the president needs to consult with the governors. We cooperate on lots of issues that way.

Think what happened after 9/11. Did Bush say, "We've got a real problem here. Good luck, governors. The federal government is here as a backup if you need emergency assistance dealing with terrorism."
 
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Velo Vol said:
Yes, legally it has to come from the states--that's why I said a national strategy. And yes, it's best tailored locally, which can be part of a national plan (benchmarks). It need not be a federal decree. Obviously the president needs to consult with the governors. We cooperate on lots of issues that way.

Think what happened after 9/11. Did Bush say, "We've got a real problem here. Good luck, governors. The federal government is here as a backup if you need emergency assistance dealing with terrorism."
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9/11 was a physical attack by a foreign entity resulting in direct loss of life and physical property destruction. What a horrible ass analogy.

And W’s response to 9/11 when he did act gave us the damn Patriot Act! You’re welcome.
 
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Velo Vol said:
Yes, legally it has to come from the states--that's why I said a national strategy. And yes, it's best tailored locally, which can be part of a national plan (benchmarks). It need not be a federal decree. Obviously the president needs to consult with the governors. We cooperate on lots of issues that way.

Think what happened after 9/11. Did Bush say, "We've got a real problem here. Good luck, governors. The federal government is here as a backup if you need emergency assistance dealing with terrorism."
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I guess we agree more than I thought.
 
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Velo Vol said:
Why is this not a state issue?

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You’re all over the place flailing today huh?

Gov doesn’t have a plan for all states

Ok gov isn’t responsible for all states and should support governors

But isnt this virus like the 9/11 terrorist attack

How can Trump order meat producers to do this.

Well keep culling your tweets I’m sure you’ll find something.

But I’d guess the DPA gives him the authority to declare the food supply essential if he choses to try to force them to stay open.
 
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<whisper>Trump's decisions don't have anything to do with Federalism, it's all about trying to pass responsibility for the tough calls to someone else</whisper>
 
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Velo Vol said:
<whisper>Trump's decisions don't have anything to do with Federalism, it's all about trying to pass responsibility for the tough calls to someone else</whisper>
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<yell> yes we know you’re flailing around and triggered today that we won’t buy into your usual BS line </yell>
 
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