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lawgator1 said:
You keep avoiding my point. I take it you agree.
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Avoiding the point that the President of the United States feels a matter is urgent enough to speak to the population and two members of Congress suddenly forgot their basic civics lessons and think they are the equal to the POTUS?

Yeah, got that. Not sure you do.

Now, if the networks want to allow the esteemed Senator and Representative to speak in rebuttal, by all means. However, neither Pelosi nor Schumer are in a position to demand anything. They can request and the networks can tell them to piss off, but they are not the equal of the President.

Period.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Avoiding the point that the President of the United States feels a matter is urgent enough to speak to the population and two members of Congress suddenly forgot their basic civics lessons and think they are the equal to the POTUS?

Yeah, got that. Not sure you do.

Now, if the networks want to allow the esteemed Senator and Representative to speak in rebuttal, by all means. However, neither Pelosi nor Schumer are in a position to demand anything. They can request and the networks can tell them to piss off, but they are not the equal of the President.

Period.
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If it were up to Trump he'd use the oval office to announce the dinner specials at his hotels.
 
#5,056
#5,056
Grand Vol said:
You really aren't good at this
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Not trying to be good. Just stating a fact that Trump is using this for free air time to make (fallacious) political arguments. No sane person believes there's a national emergency at the southern border. So trying to dress this up as a national emergency to make political arguments in prime time is a wee bit disingenuous and the Dems are right to ask for equal time.
 
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#5,057
evillawyer said:
Not trying to be good. Just stating a fact that Trump is using this for free air time to make (fallacious) political arguments. No sane person believes there's a national emergency at the southern border. So trying to dress this up as a national emergency to make political arguments in prime time is a wee bit disingenuous and the Dems are right to ask for equal time.
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Except they didn't ask...
 
#5,058
#5,058
Grand Vol said:
Avoiding the point that the President of the United States feels a matter is urgent enough to speak to the population and two members of Congress suddenly forgot their basic civics lessons and think they are the equal to the POTUS?

Yeah, got that. Not sure you do.

Now, if the networks want to allow the esteemed Senator and Representative to speak in rebuttal, by all means. However, neither Pelosi nor Schumer are in a position to demand anything. They can request and the networks can tell them to piss off, but they are not the equal of the President.

Period.
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Any wall funding has to go through Congress and has to pass both Chambers, which it cannot do without the support of the Democratic Party. That's the leverage.

Trump can't do it alone, because a president declaring an emergency and siezing private land to fulfill a campaign promise is unconstitutional.

You can't just nationalize private property in a time of peace because Ann Coulter yelled at you. That's not how any of this works.
 
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#5,064
Grand Vol said:
Avoiding the point that the President of the United States feels a matter is urgent enough to speak to the population and two members of Congress suddenly forgot their basic civics lessons and think they are the equal to the POTUS?

Yeah, got that. Not sure you do.

Now, if the networks want to allow the esteemed Senator and Representative to speak in rebuttal, by all means. However, neither Pelosi nor Schumer are in a position to demand anything. They can request and the networks can tell them to piss off, but they are not the equal of the President.

Period.
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His STATED personal motivation is not a good enough reason to cast this as truly addressing the country during a "national emergency."

I will grant you that a "national emergency" is a vague phrase. But the history of this particular situation demonstrates fairly conclusively that, rather than some sudden urgent crisis thrust upon us, this is a slow-boiling policy problem literally for years. He has a solution that is not going to get passed. Calling it a "national emergency" to justify the response he politically wants and needs to make is an outrageous abuse of power.

And in any event it is a political ploy. And it is obvious that it is a political ploy. So whether you think it is a good or bad idea is irrelevant. The networks giving the other side time is perfectly reasonable and sensible under these circumstances.
 
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#5,065
He’s going to announce that the .gov will be be back in business by January 11th

No reason to hurt the employees and contractors because the Dems will not take our national security seriously.
 
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#5,066
Obsessed said:
He’s going to announce that the .gov will be be back in business by January 11th

No reason to hurt the employees and contractors because the Dems will not take our national security seriously.
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Good Fox News talking point, right there.
 
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#5,067
lawgator1 said:
His STATED personal motivation is not a good enough reason to cast this as truly addressing the country during a "national emergency."

I will grant you that a "national emergency" is a vague phrase. But the history of this particular situation demonstrates fairly conclusively that, rather than some sudden urgent crisis thrust upon us, this is a slow-boiling policy problem literally for years. He has a solution that is not going to get passed. Calling it a "national emergency" to justify the response he politically wants and needs to make is an outrageous abuse of power.

And in any event it is a political ploy. And it is obvious that it is a political ploy. So whether you think it is a good or bad idea is irrelevant. The networks giving the other side time is perfectly reasonable and sensible under these circumstances.
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I'm going to laugh when he does completely the opposite of what you think he's going to do...

As usual.

And chuckle even more when you do your mental gymnastics trying to spin it negatively.
 
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#5,069
lawgator1 said:
What do you think he's going to do?
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Be traditional Trump.

Do opposite of your fear mongering. The dedicated Trumpers will fawn over what he says while you never Trumpers will screech over everything and twist items out of context.

So, nothing out of the ordinary.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Be traditional Trump.

Do opposite of your fear mongering. The dedicated Trumpers will fawn over what he says while you never Trumpers will screech over everything and twist items out of context.

So, nothing out of the ordinary.
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That's not much of an answer. All I'm getting is that you think he's not going to declare an emergency. That he's going to do something else. But what will that be?
 
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#5,072
1972 Grad said:
Don't know, don't care. I deal with whatever is thrown at me every day on that day. I have no control over the politicians, and neither do you.
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Yes, but I am responding today to claims that it is wrong to give the Dems a response period on the national networks. If Trump is going to do something not overtly political, then say so.
 
#5,073
#5,073
lawgator1 said:
Yes, but I am responding today to claims that it is wrong to give the Dems a response period on the national networks. If Trump is going to do something not overtly political, then say so.
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I don 't worry about stuff that is out of my control.
 
#5,074
#5,074
lawgator1 said:
That's not much of an answer. All I'm getting is that you think he's not going to declare an emergency. That he's going to do something else. But what will that be?
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Haven't the foggiest. Neither do you, but it's fun watching you and others get all worked up over things out of your control.
 
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I think he's going to recall the seabees from whatever hell hole our military leaders sent them to and have them build the wall. Faster, better and cheaper.
 
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