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#23,681
TN Ribs said:
A stainless steel fridge. Any other questions? Are Republicans not for free trade anymore? Just checking.
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I'm 100% in favor of free trade. That is why I support equaling our labor, environmental and pay regulations to that of the countries we trade with.
 
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#23,682
TN Ribs said:
I'm pretty sure the ethanol subsidy has been eliminated but I think that went to blenders not the farmers.
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The required use of ethanol is a subsidy itself. And yes it did go the ethanol producer and not the farmer.
 
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hog88 said:
I'm 100% in favor of free trade. That is why I support equaling our labor, environmental and pay regulations to that of the countries we trade with.
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I guess you know what that does to our standard of living, which I'm not against - just never thought we would agree with narrowing the gap in global standard of living.
 
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luthervol said:
I guess you know what that does to our standard of living, which I'm not against - just never thought we would agree with narrowing the gap in global standard of living.
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It would be an interesting experiment. I think we would end up increasing our standard of living.
 
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#23,688
hog88 said:
The required use of ethanol is a subsidy itself. And yes it did go the ethanol producer and not the farmer.
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That may be true but Trump is considering E15 now, more ethanol would certainly help farmers (corn), not necessarily soybean farmers who are the ones who really got hammered by the tariffs.
 
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37L1 said:
Interesting. How?
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How the average American would react to working and living under the same regulatory conditions of the Chinese, Mexicans ext. It might open some people's eyes as to how un-free our trade with them is.
 
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TN Ribs said:
That may be true but Trump is considering E15 now, more ethanol would certainly help farmers (corn), not necessarily soybean farmers who are the ones who really got hammered by the tariffs.
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And I absolutely oppose him on this.
 
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hog88 said:
How the average American would react to working and living under the same regulatory conditions of the Chinese, Mexicans ext. It might open some people's eyes as to how un-free our trade with them is.
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I see. But that wouldn't, in the end, narrow the gap in global standard of living, it would make it greater, wouldn't it?
 
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37L1 said:
So you are willing to lower your standard of living? By how much and when?
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I'm pretty sure we may have different working definitions of standard of living. Mine is heavily tied to quality of life.
I have always been willing to sacrifice the economic variable in my standard of living to better the quality of life variable.
So many think those two always move in the same direction. After a point, they tend to move in opposite directions. I've long been past that point.
 
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luthervol said:
I'm pretty sure we may have different working definitions of standard of living. Mine is heavily tied to quality of life.
I have always been willing to sacrifice the economic variable in my standard of living to better the quality of life variable.
So many think those two always move in the same direction. After a point, they tend to move in opposite directions. I've long been past that point.
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That is a lot of words for a non answer.

I don't care about your "philosophy". How much are you willing to give up monetarily? How much freedom of choice and movement are you also willing to give up. How many utilities, tools, utensils, vehicles, vacations, meals, clothes, material goods, medical care, etc.? How much quality of life?

Don't BS me with "philosophy". It's talk on a cereal box.
 
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37L1 said:
That is a lot of words for a non answer.

I don't care about your "philosophy". How much are you willing to give up monetarily? How much freedom of choice and movement are you also willing to give up. How many utilities, tools, utensils, vehicles, vacations, meals, clothes, material goods, medical care, etc.? How much quality of life?

Don't BS me with "philosophy". It's talk on a cereal box.
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You're horrible with the abstract; luckily for you, most in the PF can only deal in concrete..... Some approaching 2d.
 
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hog88 said:
And I absolutely oppose him on this.
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Ethanol is not going away anytime soon, the corn growers need the sales. Corn for ethanol has surpassed corn for feed as far as sales go - it's close but ethanol is in the number one spot now.
 
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