Allen Iverson was at OW Game

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#77
Some of the hate in this thread..SMH...guy was an awesome player and a HOFer..I'm glad I got to watch him play..he was incredible out on the floor
 
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VolnJC said:
Some of the hate in this thread..SMH...guy was an awesome player and a HOFer..I'm glad I got to watch him play..he was incredible out on the floor
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No hate. We all love our gladiators. Little 6 foot force of nature who managed to take his playground game and flourish at the highest level. If you're honest about his greatness you have to conversely acknowledge his flaws. He played HIS game. You can argue that he just didn't have the opportunity to play with any other very good to great player. I'd counter that other stars knew his game and refused to sign on...jmo. Maybe the 2004 Olympics would be a reflection of that. I know international basketball is a little different, but with some "pretty decent" teammates fronted by Iverson? We placed a bronze. :hmm:
 
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butchna said:
No hate. We all love our gladiators. Little 6 foot force of nature who managed to take his playground game and flourish at the highest level. If you're honest about his greatness you have to conversely acknowledge his flaws. He played HIS game. You can argue that he just didn't have the opportunity to play with any other very good to great player. I'd counter that other stars knew his game and refused to sign on...jmo. Maybe the 2004 Olympics would be a reflection of that. I know international basketball is a little different, but with some "pretty decent" teammates fronted by Iverson? We placed a bronze. :hmm:
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Say what you will about the guy, he was definitely fearless, especially taking it to the hole and getting to the line.
 
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BearCat204 said:
Say what you will about the guy, he was definitely fearless, especially taking it to the hole and getting to the line.
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Quote me where I said differently. Landmark moment was that iconic cross dribble where he broke Jordan's ankles. Countless drives to the rim where not even 7 footers could deny. Just couldn't win it all by himself...and he would never have deferred an iota of his game to allow anyone else to share the load IMO.
 
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butchna said:
No hate. We all love our gladiators. Little 6 foot force of nature who managed to take his playground game and flourish at the highest level. If you're honest about his greatness you have to conversely acknowledge his flaws. He played HIS game. You can argue that he just didn't have the opportunity to play with any other very good to great player. I'd counter that other stars knew his game and refused to sign on...jmo. Maybe the 2004 Olympics would be a reflection of that. I know international basketball is a little different, but with some "pretty decent" teammates fronted by Iverson? We placed a bronze. :hmm:
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A.I. carries some blame for sure, and maybe you are right and guys didn't want to play with him. But most of the blame is on the construction of the team, worst shooting team we've ever assembled. And on Larry Brown being a grumpy old man and not letting the young guys loose. Wade, Melo, LBJ, and Stoudamire combined to average 17.9 PPG. I can't find MPG for some odd reason, but I remember Wade played a little more than the others. Yet Brown has Marbury running around jacking up shots all over the place, Boozer starting and Richard "How the **** did I make an Olympic team" Jefferson playing a lot.
 
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BadJerry20 said:
A.I. carries some blame for sure, and maybe you are right and guys didn't want to play with him. But most of the blame is on the construction of the team, worst shooting team we've ever assembled. And on Larry Brown being a grumpy old man and not letting the young guys loose. Wade, Melo, LBJ, and Stoudamire combined to average 17.9 PPG. I can't find MPG for some odd reason, but I remember Wade played a little more than the others. Yet Brown has Marbury running around jacking up shots all over the place, Boozer starting and Richard "How the **** did I make an Olympic team" Jefferson playing a lot.
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I'm glad you found this. I thouti was alone til TS showed update
 
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BadJerry20 said:
A.I. carries some blame for sure, and maybe you are right and guys didn't want to play with him. But most of the blame is on the construction of the team, worst shooting team we've ever assembled. And on Larry Brown being a grumpy old man and not letting the young guys loose. Wade, Melo, LBJ, and Stoudamire combined to average 17.9 PPG. I can't find MPG for some odd reason, but I remember Wade played a little more than the others. Yet Brown has Marbury running around jacking up shots all over the place, Boozer starting and Richard "How the **** did I make an Olympic team" Jefferson playing a lot.
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Marbury is an example of a super talented point guard who couldn't coexist with another marquee talent in Garnett. Albeit initially because even with a max contract he would never match KG's due to the latter's being grandfathered before the CBA. He later cited that he needed to be "the man". Messed up a potential great partnership.
 
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butchna said:
Marbury is an example of a super talented point guard who couldn't coexist with another marquee talent in Garnett. Albeit initially because even with a max contract he would never match KG's due to the latter's being grandfathered before the CBA. He later cited that he needed to be "the man". Messed up a potential great partnership.
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No comparison there at all. Not even close. Marbury was All branding and little substance.
 
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apevol said:
No comparison there at all. Not even close. Marbury was All branding and little substance.
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Reading stuff I'm not writing. Used him as an example of a talented player who torpedoed a good situation. Marbury was not at Iverson's level but he was all-star caliber. Iverson never destroyed a lockerroom tho.
 
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BadJerry20 said:
A.I. carries some blame for sure, and maybe you are right and guys didn't want to play with him. But most of the blame is on the construction of the team, worst shooting team we've ever assembled. And on Larry Brown being a grumpy old man and not letting the young guys loose. Wade, Melo, LBJ, and Stoudamire combined to average 17.9 PPG. I can't find MPG for some odd reason, but I remember Wade played a little more than the others. Yet Brown has Marbury running around jacking up shots all over the place, Boozer starting and Richard "How the **** did I make an Olympic team" Jefferson playing a lot.
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That was also the year the NBA guys was over the Olympics and several refused to play. Its why they brought in coach K and made the huge push to reinvigorate USA basketball.
 
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butchna said:
No hate. We all love our gladiators. Little 6 foot force of nature who managed to take his playground game and flourish at the highest level. If you're honest about his greatness you have to conversely acknowledge his flaws. He played HIS game. You can argue that he just didn't have the opportunity to play with any other very good to great player. I'd counter that other stars knew his game and refused to sign on...jmo. Maybe the 2004 Olympics would be a reflection of that. I know international basketball is a little different, but with some "pretty decent" teammates fronted by Iverson? We placed a bronze. :hmm:
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They must not have wanted to play with Barkley either bc the same thing happened with him when he was on the Sixers. I think it is a sixer management issue than a don't want to play with Iverson thing. His teammates loved him on the sixers. Im not positive how other stars felt but neither do you. I am positive that sixers management is clueless though.
 
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volbeast33 said:
They must not have wanted to play with Barkley either bc the same thing happened with him when he was on the Sixers. I think it is a sixer management issue than a don't want to play with Iverson thing. His teammates loved him on the sixers. Im not positive how other stars felt but neither do you. I am positive that sixers management is clueless though.
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Never used the word "know"...qualified it as an opinion. Said opinion wasn't formed at the onset of this thread. Was formed observing his career. That's my take. :hi:
 
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No player in NBA history did the “live fast and go broke” thing better than Allen Iverson. But Iverson had a very unique way of spending his cash. Few athletes in sports history were as generous, yet totally reckless as “The Answer.” There were numerous stories of Iverson giving homeless people in Philadelphia large wads of hundred dollar bills, because he said he’d likely be one of them if not for basketball. But he also foolishly bankrolled his entire entourage whenever and wherever they were. Including insane amounts of money spent at casinos. Of course, there were the usual “bling” purchases too. Iverson and all of his buddies had plenty of flashy jewelry, fancy cars, and expensive clothing. He then spent $4.5 million on a gated estate in Atlanta that spanned almost 10,000 square feet, featuring a gourmet kitchen (which rarely got used), a massive bar, and gutters made from pure copper. Iverson refused to employ any financial advisors after he became wealthy. Instead he remained loyal to his “first-day friends,” for better or for worse. He’d rack up enormous debt on credit cards, then simply stop paying for most of the purchases. At a divorce hearing in 2012, he told the court he didn’t even have enough money for a cheeseburger.
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