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Grand Vol said:
Gramps, yet another time you're wrong and need to admit you just pulled an LG with a really bad strawman argument. The motivation behind the attack was not religious in nature. The rationale behind the attack was not religious in nature. Nothing about the OKC Bombing was religious in nature.

And whether you like it or not, terrorist attacks carried out by Islamic extremists tend to use religion as the rationale.

You're inner LG is strong today.
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The motivation behind OKC, 9-11 and every other such act is HATE.
It can be carried out in the name of whatever the perpetrators choose to use as their rationale. The bottom line it is PURE HATRED.
 
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Gramps said:
The motivation behind OKC, 9-11 and every other such act is HATE.
It can be carried out in the name of whatever the perpetrators choose to use as their rationale. The bottom line it is PURE HATRED.
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Indeed it is. Yet Christians weren't out dancing in the streets after the OKC Bombing. Can you say the same about any number of cities in predominately Islamic nations after 9/11?

You're breaking it down into base elements which I understand. But by and large, while the reasoning behind the attacks is hate the rationale is what's important. Nobody carries out attacks of this nature without hate in their soul. But they have to justify it in some way or form. Either to themselves or to followers. The OKC Bombing was "justified" by making it an anti-government stance. 9/11 was justified by putting religion at the center of the attacks. Both were hateful acts, yet only one used religion as the reasoning.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Indeed it is. Yet Christians weren't out dancing in the streets after the OKC Bombing. Can you say the same about any number of cities in predominately Islamic nations after 9/11?

You're breaking it down into base elements which I understand. But by and large, while the reasoning behind the attacks is hate the rationale is what's important. Nobody carries out attacks of this nature without hate in their soul. But they have to justify it in some way or form. Either to themselves or to followers. The OKC Bombing was "justified" by making it an anti-government stance. 9/11 was justified by putting religion at the center of the attacks. Both were hateful acts, yet only one used religion as the reasoning.
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Add in the fact they were hunted down by Americans, imprisonment in America by Americans, and executed by Americans

Some who were white Christians
 
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Grand Vol said:
Indeed it is. Yet Christians weren't out dancing in the streets after the OKC Bombing. Can you say the same about any number of cities in predominately Islamic nations after 9/11?

You're breaking it down into base elements which I understand. But by and large, while the reasoning behind the attacks is hate the rationale is what's important. Nobody carries out attacks of this nature without hate in their soul. But they have to justify it in some way or form. Either to themselves or to followers. The OKC Bombing was "justified" by making it an anti-government stance. 9/11 was justified by putting religion at the center of the attacks. Both were hateful acts, yet only one used religion as the reasoning.
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Neither was justified. An excuse was used by those that carried out the acts.

Those killed by McVeigh out of hate for our government are just as dead as those killed by AQ on 9-11 in the name of Allah.


Anyone who performs this type act are cold, cruel pathetic human beings that should have never been born. Total scum of the earth.
 
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Gramps said:
Neither was justified. An excuse was used by those that carried out the acts.

Those killed by McVeigh out of hate for our government are just as dead as those killed by AQ on 9-11 in the name of Allah.


Anyone who performs this type act are cold, cruel pathetic human beings that should have never been born. Total scum of the earth.
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Hence why I put the parenthesis around the word justified. But don't wander too far off point by taking selected words and phrases out of my post. 79 specifically stated that when a non-Muslim religious group committed an act like 9/11 or Paris to come talk to him. You countered by trying to make the OKC Bombing seem like it had religious motivations by tossing out McVeigh's upbringing and the fact Nichols became a Christian well after the attack and well after he had been put in prison for the act.

You are comparing apples and squirrels as well as taking minor phrases and words out of the context of the whole post. It's something I expect from other posters on here, but not from you.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Hence why I put the parenthesis around the word justified. But don't wander too far off point by taking selected words and phrases out of my post. 79 specifically stated that when a non-Muslim religious group committed an act like 9/11 or Paris to come talk to him. You countered by trying to make the OKC Bombing seem like it had religious motivations by tossing out McVeigh's upbringing and the fact Nichols became a Christian well after the attack and well after he had been put in prison for the act.

You are comparing apples and squirrels as well as taking minor phrases and words out of the context of the whole post. It's something I expect from other posters on here, but not from you.
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Comparing apples and oranges, my azz.
Stop making excuses for the 2nd worse terrorist attack we have had in America. It does not matter if it was done by a group of Islamic Religious Nuts or by Far Right Wing Extremist Nuts. Both were terrorist attacks committed on US Soil.

Terrorism is Terrorism. In these two cases one was said to be done in the name of religion, the other in the name of politics. Both were done out of hate period
 
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Gramps said:
Comparing apples and oranges, my azz.
Stop making excuses for the 2nd worse terrorist attack we have had in America. It does not matter if it was done by a group of Islamic Religious Nuts or by Far Right Wing Extremist Nuts. Both were terrorist attacks committed on US Soil.

Terrorism is Terrorism. In these two cases one was said to be done in the name of religion, the other in the name of politics. Both were done out of hate period
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Pardon me? Have you been to the OKC Bombing memorial? Have you walked through the uneven chairs on that hallowed ground where those children were brutally murdered? Seen the stopped clock?

Did you have friends that came back all kinds of ****ed up from the bombing at Khobar Towers, scarred for life both mentally and physically? And only because they happened to be in a specific geographic area.

Don't you dare accuse me of justifying terrorism. You are wrong, were wrong and your continued attempts to extract yourself from this tar baby you created are pathetic. Don't talk to me about terrorism being hateful. I've forgotten more about the horrors and hate of terrorism than you'll ever know. I've lived it. You've only seen it as a 30 second clip on the news.
 
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tumscalcium said:
Lol, you're not libertarian.
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OK little buddy.

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Gramps said:
Neither was justified. An excuse was used by those that carried out the acts.

Those killed by McVeigh out of hate for our government are just as dead as those killed by AQ on 9-11 in the name of Allah.


Anyone who performs this type act are cold, cruel pathetic human beings that should have never been born. Total scum of the earth.
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Absolutely both are scum. The difference and it's a HUGE difference is one spreads the hate and have now committed thousands of more murders and the other was a one time event. Can you guess which is which?
 
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Grand Vol said:
Pardon me? Have you been to the OKC Bombing memorial? Have you walked through the uneven chairs on that hallowed ground where those children were brutally murdered? Seen the stopped clock?

Did you have friends that came back all kinds of ****ed up from the bombing at Khobar Towers, scarred for life both mentally and physically? And only because they happened to be in a specific geographic area.
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Granny and I went to the site in OKC in 1998.
Guess what the same thing happened to the people on 9-11 because they happened to be in a specific location
One attack was a horrible as the other. Both killed people, injured many mentally and physically, left many people without their husbands,wifes,children,grandparents ,etc.

Don't you dare accuse me of justifying terrorism. You are wrong, were wrong and your continued attempts to extract yourself from this tar baby you created are pathetic. Don't talk to me about terrorism being hateful. I've forgotten more about the horrors and hate of terrorism than you'll ever know. I've lived it. You've only seen it as a 30 second clip on the news.
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You are trying to justify evidently because the OKC was domestic terrorism and 9-11 was foreign terrorism by saying the agendas to do the actions were justified by different reasons. That is BS. Again one is just as bad as the other. Innocent people were killed that had nothing to do with the agenda of McVeigh nor AQ.

We have had several acts of domestic terrorism done in America. Those acts and those that do them are equally bad.
 
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Obsessed said:
Of the government.

He and Nichols were part of a militia in Arkansas and Missouri. Straight fruit loops
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Wasn't there some knucklehead in here the other day saying he was ready for the showdown, race wars and how he was a real man and loading his guns?

He didn't strike me as being radically different from the fruit loops.
 
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ReaderVol said:
Absolutely both are scum. The difference and it's a HUGE difference is one spreads the hate and have now committed thousands of more murders and the other was a one time event. Can you guess which is which?
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We haven't had domestic terrorism in America since 1995?
 
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Gramps said:
We haven't had domestic terrorism in America since 1995?
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How many in history? It's horrible when it happens but to equate the 2 is inaccurate. One is extremely rare the other happens on a regular basis. To try and deny that is silly. Like I said both are horrible but one is considerably worse simply due to the amount of the attacks.
 
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Gramps said:
April 19, 1995
168 confirmed deaths
680+ non-fatal injuries

Oklahoma City, OK

Perpetrators Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols------USA Homegrown right wing extremist nutcases.

McVeigh was raised Roman Catholic.
Nichols became a Christian while in jail for this attack.


Motivated by hatred of the federal government and angered by its handling of the 1993 Waco siege and the Ruby Ridge incident in 1992, McVeigh timed his attack to coincide with the second anniversary of the deadly fire that ended the siege at Waco.
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I never said muslims are the only ones who commit terrorism. They do however commit 99% of all terrorism. That is a written in stone mathematical fact.

And I am also not just talking about domestic terrorism, I am talking terrorism all over. To try and bring up McVeigh, or Rudolph, as counter points to the tens of thousands of muslim attacks over the past couple of decades is just plain ass ignorant.

Here is a fun quiz! Research all aircraft bombings...Take away a drug lord, a murder attempt, and an insurance scam and find the non muslim bombers. Don't worry this won't be a timed quiz.
 
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ReaderVol said:
How many in history? It's horrible when it happens but to equate the 2 is inaccurate. One is extremely rare the other happens on a regular basis. To try and deny that is silly. Like I said both are horrible but one is considerably worse simply due to the amount of the attacks.
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Exactly. No one here is saying what McVeigh did is any less egregious because he wasn't a muslim.

Its like people want to take the focus of the rampant islamic terrorism and try to focus attention elsewhere..reminds me of elementary age school kids being afraid of cooties..
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Exactly. No one here is saying what McVeigh did is any less egregious because he wasn't a muslim.

Its like people want to take the focus of the rampant islamic terrorism and try to focus attention elsewhere..reminds me of elementary age school kids being afraid of cooties..
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Bruh, cooties is no laughing matter.



<Where's my hand sanitizer? And I think I just got pink-eye reading the word cooties. Thanks...>
 
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Gramps said:
Granny and I went to the site in OKC in 1998.
Guess what the same thing happened to the people on 9-11 because they happened to be in a specific location
One attack was a horrible as the other. Both killed people, injured many mentally and physically, left many people without their husbands,wifes,children,grandparents ,etc.



You are trying to justify evidently because the OKC was domestic terrorism and 9-11 was foreign terrorism by saying the agendas to do the actions were justified by different reasons. That is BS. Again one is just as bad as the other. Innocent people were killed that had nothing to do with the agenda of McVeigh nor AQ.

We have had several acts of domestic terrorism done in America. Those acts and those that do them are equally bad.
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You keep saying "justified" in a context I can't reconcile with the conversation. None of this has anything to do with arguing that any of the acts are actually "justified" but that the reasons for the acts are different and that the difference matters.

Loose analogy; compare a bomb and a biological pathogen. The first goes BOOM, damage is done and people die but that's it. The latter goes out, spreads across any and all borders/boundaries until it is at least isolated or eradicated.

The "what" in the OK City bombing is people dying just a much as 9/11 or Paris or whatever. The profound difference is the first case was pretty much one-and-done with very finite participants. The second...c'mon man, you know what's what here. The "why" matters.
 
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Gramps said:
Granny and I went to the site in OKC in 1998.
Guess what the same thing happened to the people on 9-11 because they happened to be in a specific location
One attack was a horrible as the other. Both killed people, injured many mentally and physically, left many people without their husbands,wifes,children,grandparents ,etc.



You are trying to justify evidently because the OKC was domestic terrorism and 9-11 was foreign terrorism by saying the agendas to do the actions were justified by different reasons. That is BS. Again one is just as bad as the other. Innocent people were killed that had nothing to do with the agenda of McVeigh nor AQ.

We have had several acts of domestic terrorism done in America. Those acts and those that do them are equally bad.
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Why don't you go take some meds and come back when you're more rational
 
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