All Time NBA Players Thread - No Jordan vs. Lebron Debate Allowed

[zjcvols]

Garnett should be on there somewhere.

Not sure Howard should be.

Garnett over Leonard

Dirk over Durant

No problem with Howard, but Pau deserved massive consideration

Me personally

 

[YankeeVol]

Garnett over Leonard

Dirk over Durant

No problem with Howard, but Pau deserved massive consideration

Me personally

Dirk is on the list.

I thought about mentioning Pau as well

 

[zjcvols]

Dirk is on the list.

I thought about mentioning Pau as well

I meant Dirk second team over Durant

 

[n_huffhines]

I meant Dirk second team over Durant

It's a tough call in a vacuum, but they didn't pick any two forwards on each team, it's specifically a PF and an SF. Dirk isn't really a small forward at all.

And the position-specific nature of it is also why Garnett didn't make it and D12 did. If it's positionless, it probably goes something like this:

1st team unchanged

2nd team:
Dirk
KD
Giannis
Shaq
Wade/Kawhi/CP3

3rd team:
Wade/Kawhi/CP3
Garnett
Nash
Harden

And hell, maybe crazy but I'd personally rather see Ray Allen there than Harden. He's not an MVP, and some of his best years were in the 90s, but he's a player I'd rather have and has multiple titles and is one of the few guys ever who was good right away, became a superstar, and then transitioned to a great role player who was happy with his role. At no point in his career was he not contributing to winning.

 

[Peradox1K]

Drexler is underrated historically IMO. He wasn’t MJ but from 87-92 he was 24/7/6 with two steals on 49/30/79 with 6.5 FTA per game

Nobody's MJ.

 

[n_huffhines]

Nobody's MJ.

Yeah, Drexler's steal numbers may have been accurate. Who knows how many steals MJ was actually getting?

A closer look at Michael Jordan's 1988 DPOY award raises questions about its validity. Has LeBron James been chasing a ghost?

New research reveals Jordan's Defensive Player of the Year season likely included home-biased stats.

sports.yahoo.com

 

[apevol]

Yeah, Drexler's steal numbers may have been accurate. Who knows how many steals MJ was actually getting?

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A closer look at Michael Jordan's 1988 DPOY award raises questions about its validity. Has LeBron James been chasing a ghost?

New research reveals Jordan's Defensive Player of the Year season likely included home-biased stats.

sports.yahoo.com

this is him telling the stat guy in slc the last pass counted for two assists

 

[n_huffhines]

this is him telling the stat guy in slc the last pass counted for two assists

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Stockton's home/road splits were pretty normal in terms of how disparate they were, but yeah, hone town statisticians love to give you assists when they can.

Steals should be impossible to fake, tho

 

[Peradox1K]

Yeah, Drexler's steal numbers may have been accurate. Who knows how many steals MJ was actually getting?

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A closer look at Michael Jordan's 1988 DPOY award raises questions about its validity. Has LeBron James been chasing a ghost?

New research reveals Jordan's Defensive Player of the Year season likely included home-biased stats.

sports.yahoo.com

Still probably a lot, but I think that the scorers definitely beefed up stats. Same thing's probably happened to every superstar in the NBA, ever.

 

[n_huffhines]

Still probably a lot, but I think that the scorers definitely beefed up stats. Same thing's probably happened to every superstar in the NBA, ever.

The onky stats you can kinda fudge with are rebounds and assists.

Every game is on TV now. You will not get away with steals/turnovers counts that don't add up. Too easy to catch

 

[apevol]

The onky stats you can kinda fudge with are rebounds and assists.

Every game is on TV now. You will not get away with steals/turnovers counts that don't add up. Too easy to catch

aren't the way assists even counted different to eras like the 60s?

 

[n_huffhines]

aren't the way assists even counted different to eras like the 60s?

You're totally right....they did not count assists in the 60's, lol.

Euro assists are much harder to get.

 

[apevol]

Shawn Kemp got 30 days of electronic home monitoring, one year of community custody, and 240 hours of community service for his role in the 2023 Tacoma shooting.

he was facing 90 days in jail

 

[n_huffhines]

Shawn Kemp got 30 days of electronic home monitoring, one year of community custody, and 240 hours of community service for his role in the 2023 Tacoma shooting.

he was facing 90 days in jail

I worked with a guy whose Dad was rehab roommates with SK 20+ years ago. Sadly, guy can't quite figure out life.

He was my favorite player for a couple years

 

[apevol]

I worked with a guy whose Dad was rehab roommates with SK 20+ years ago. Sadly, guy can't quite figure out life.

He was my favorite player for a couple years

i gotta say, sentencing him to community service is just him doing what he does all the time anyway. I don't think there was ever any way a court in that state is gonna come down hard on him, he's just so visible in the community

 

[apevol]

correction, he was facing 9 months

 

[apevol]

The Suns traded their pick for Luol Deng for Quentin Richardson then went too cheap to resign joe Johnson because they were paying Richardson instead of haabing deng on a rookie contract

they could have had
Steve Nash, Joe Johnson ,Luol Deng, Shawn Marion, Amare Stoudemire

 

[n_huffhines]

The Suns traded their pick for Luol Deng for Quentin Richardson then went too cheap to resign joe Johnson because they were paying Richardson instead of haabing deng on a rookie contract

they could have had
Steve Nash, Joe Johnson ,Luol Deng, Shawn Marion, Amare Stoudemire

It's the right move not to pay Joe Johnson, IMO. Also, they got Boris Diaw in the trade who was one of their 3 best playoff performers in their deepest run.