All Time NBA Players Thread - No Jordan vs. Lebron Debate Allowed

#726
#726
i ****in hated ray allen cuz he stole reggies 3 point title and got traded for my favorite player

but im older now and realize him being traded was one of the key moments to the sonics being stolen

kd + ray ray would have been nuts

throw in russ cuz the franchise were still the sonics when he was drafted
 
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n_huffhines said:
Shai came into the league saying, "If I do everything right, I can be a rotation guy for a long time." and he conducted himself as a role player for his first few years, which meant he was positively contributing to winning right away (on 2 different teams that over-achieved in making the playoffs). Somehow he parlayed that start to his career into becoming a lead ball-handling MVP without ever being an inefficient player. There were no growing pains where he had to figure things out. The more he took on, the more he justified.

It's a bananas developmental story. Kawhi is like that. Who else had a career like that?
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closest thing ive found is Tony Campbell.

averaged 6 ppg his first 5 years then got traded to the wolves in 89 and put up 23.2, 5.5 and 2.6 with nearly a steal and a half on 52% true shooting

he had one more year over 20 ppg and then fizzled out
 
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"It ain't no better than the Seattle fans. I don't give a f–k about what nobody say. That's why I tell them, them motherfu–ers be talking about retired jersey in Oklahoma City, f–k Oklahoma City because I ain't never been there," said Payton during his recent appearance on the "Adam Ray's 420 Show".
 
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95 Vol Alum said:
"It ain't no better than the Seattle fans. I don't give a f–k about what nobody say. That's why I tell them, them motherfu–ers be talking about retired jersey in Oklahoma City, f–k Oklahoma City because I ain't never been there," said Payton during his recent appearance on the "Adam Ray's 420 Show".
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Gary pretty much single handedly got Geroge Karl in the hall of fame

nobody likes karl because he's an arrogant loud mouth jerk and Gary asked the committee why they let him in then
 
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Today, Russillo was riffing on the internet troll contingencies of the NBA (like calling out the people who say Lebron has no bag), and in reference to the Kobe contingency, he said (paraphrasing), "And we're going to say Kobe is #2 all-time, even though there wasn't one single person who ever said this while he was playing."
 
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n_huffhines said:
Today, Russillo was riffing on the internet troll contingencies of the NBA (like calling out the people who say Lebron has no bag), and in reference to the Kobe contingency, he said (paraphrasing), "And we're going to say Kobe is #2 all-time, even though there wasn't one single person who ever said this while he was playing."
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I have never seen one title erase every single sin Kobe had (on court and off). When they beat the Magic, not one person ever brought up all his sins ever again. It's hilarious that people are like "Kobe was a killer, Kobe only cared about winning" yet no one player spent more time kissing the media's ass like him over the last half of his career.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Today, Russillo was riffing on the internet troll contingencies of the NBA (like calling out the people who say Lebron has no bag), and in reference to the Kobe contingency, he said (paraphrasing), "And we're going to say Kobe is #2 all-time, even though there wasn't one single person who ever said this while he was playing."
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Pertinent as well

 
#736
#736
Kobe somehow jacked up 27 shots per game and 10 FTA per game AND was one of the two best guard defenders in 2006? Get the **** out of here man lol
 
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zjcvols said:
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It is hilarious how uncomfortable they look when they perceive it to be Kobe slander. The legend is out of control. He had to reiterate like 5x that he wasn't saying Kobe's defense was bad, he was just saying that he wasn't a top 2 guard defender for nine years (nine 1st team, twelve total).

We're likely never going to see anything like that again with perimeter defenders. There is so much more access and commonly shared knowledge about who the good defenders are. Voters know more players more intimately. Injuries and award qualification differences. The top defenders will have Jrue Holiday type resumes.
 
#739
#739
You fellas might care about this pod episode:

n_huffhines said:
This was a pretty interesting interview. Some key points covered:

- Specialization is probably part of the problem. Kids who used to play football, then basketball, then baseball were building their bodies out for a wider variety of activities and movements. Early specialization into one sport can potentially explain why there are more acchilles tears these days.

- It's understood and built into contracts that we are going to throw harder and we're going to miss time because eventually you'll need Tommy Johns. The teams understand this, want the fast arms, and pay guys to do stuff that'll injure them.

- It's only fair to point out that this isn't necessarily the worst place to be. For example, the talent in the NBA has never been better. Yeah, we're seeing a lot of soft tissue injuries, but we're also seeing superstars play great ball well into their 30's. It's hard to say they're on the wrong track by pursuing specialization early, if that is indeed the cause of these injuries.

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n_huffhines said:
You fellas might care about this pod episode:
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i can't remember if it was Vin Baker, or Shawn Kemp, maybe neither.. was saying on a podcast that specialization is killing the love for the game. I know Shawn Kemp said he hadn't enjoyed playing basketball since early on in highschool
 
#741
#741
I know the pacers reddit was flooded with posts about hali's new shoes being the culprit, and suddenly every sports doctor in the world decided to join that specific reddit to give their take on high tops, low tops, blah blah blah
 
#746
#746
n_huffhines said:
Lakers could've taken him instead of Worthy. Can you imagine? Nique would probably be a top 20 player. 3+ titles, 25 ppg, and him on fast breaks with Magic, omg.
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they also came a hair from getting david thompson immediately before his catastrophic collapse
 
#747
#747
n_huffhines said:
Lakers could've taken him instead of Worthy. Can you imagine? Nique would probably be a top 20 player. 3+ titles, 25 ppg, and him on fast breaks with Magic, omg.
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thats even crazier after thinking about it for a few minutes

Worthy gets a big bump because he was the 2nd option on a team with Kareem, but nobody talks about how bare kareems tires were by then.

Nique probably would have averaged 33 on 50%
 
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#748
n_huffhines said:
You fellas might care about this pod episode:
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Tim Grover was the personal trainer who helped Jordan bulk up from 198 lbs to 215 lbs to help battle the physical play of the Pistons and Knicks. He also helped Kobe recover from his near career-ending knee wear & tear injuries in 2005. He also trained Dwyane Wade. So yeah, a very successful trainer with professional athletes.

Anyway, his opinion on why there are so many more injuries today is that many basketball trainers have gone away from the basics - traditional weight-lifting movements. So many are going to elastic bands and other “cutting edge” training movements that have no scientific data behind them. Players are losing joint strength because of it. He said it wasn’t the only reason, just a factor in his opinion.
 
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KoachKrab127 said:
Tim Grover was the personal trainer who helped Jordan bulk up from 198 lbs to 215 lbs to help battle the physical play of the Pistons and Knicks. He also helped Kobe recover from his near career-ending knee wear & tear injuries in 2005. He also trained Dwyane Wade. So yeah, a very successful trainer with professional athletes.

Anyway, his opinion on why there are so many more injuries today is that many basketball trainers have gone away from the basics - traditional weight-lifting movements. So many are going to elastic bands and other “cutting edge” training movements that have no scientific data behind them. Players are losing joint strength because of it. He said it wasn’t the only reason, just a factor in his opinion.
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I don't remember Kobe's knee problems in 2005. I remember the ACL later and then the Acchiles.

I agree with Grover's philosophy, but most NBA players were not weight training in the 80's and even the early 90's, and they weren't having soft tissue injuries at the rate we are today. It's probably that load bearing benefit of weight training is similar to the benefit of playing other sports.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I don't remember Kobe's knee problems in 2005. I remember the ACL later and then the Acchiles.

I agree with Grover's philosophy, but most NBA players were not weight training in the 80's and even the early 90's, and they weren't having soft tissue injuries at the rate we are today. It's probably that load bearing benefit of weight training is similar to the benefit of playing other sports.
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I remember when it was clear the Lakers weren't going to make the playoffs the first season after the Shaq trade, Kobe packed it up to get his knee healed. I know he was also the first athlete publicly to get stem cell therapy in Germany, I can't remember if that was 2005 or not though.
 
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