All the "Fire Butch" threads but no answer

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jakez4ut said:
to some extent, there's some truth there.

but from our perspective...it just seems there's this ceiling that we can't break thru. and it all started in 2005. and i don't see it ending any time soon.
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Its not being broke through by Jones.

If you want to make the argument that UT (specifically the previous admin and dysfunctional booster group) is too incompetent or dysfunctional to actually hire the right guy based off previous history, you would have an argument. They are the reason we ended up with Kiffin, Dooley, and now Jones.

If, if UT is able to fix those issues they will be able to attract a guy than can win here.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Its not being broke through by Jones.

If you want to make the argument that UT (specifically the previous admin and dysfunctional booster group) is too incompetent or dysfunctional to actually hire the right guy based off previous history, you would have an argument. They are the reason we ended up with Kiffin, Dooley, and now Jones.

If, if UT is able to fix those issues they will be able to attract a guy than can win here.
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don't disagree, but i don't see any of that changing all that soon, so i still think we're just stuck in this "purgatory"....until that changes.

make no mistake, i blame Butch for a lot, i don't blame him for the administrative blunders that got us here.
 
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jakez4ut said:
don't disagree, but i don't see any of that changing all that soon, so i still think we're just stuck in this "purgatory"....until that changes.

make no mistake, i blame Butch for a lot, i don't blame him for the administrative blunders that got us here.
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I don't either. He jumped at a better paying job. Thats not on him at all. Thats why this isn't personal and never has been with me towards him. His superiors are the reason the program has been drug through the mud and stuck.

Its not gonna be fixed by him or another coach until those above that position are gone and replaced by competence.

edit. Most of that previous post was just a general opinion on the topic it was thrown at you as a disagreement in anyway. Poor execution on my part.
 
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BigSteve09 said:
Brohm
Durkin
Taggart
Fedora
Miles
Mullen
Coach Cut

Make Whittingham say no thanks

Make Gundy say no thanks

Make Fisher say no thanks

Make Patterson say no thanks

Make Petrino say "more money"
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Agree with this post except I have no interest in Cutcliffe at this point. Might as well just hire CPF back. My top 2 legitimate choices would be Mullen and Miles.
 
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BeecherVol said:
I don't either. He jumped at a better paying job. Thats not on him at all. Thats why this isn't personal and never has been with me towards him. His superiors are the reason the program has been drug through the mud and stuck.

Its not gonna be fixed by him or another coach until those above that position are gone and replaced by competence.

edit. Most of that previous post was just a general opinion on the topic it was thrown at you as a disagreement in anyway. Poor execution on my part.
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no worries, we're on the same page. it's really not personal with me either, but i can't deny that i do let my emotions bet the better of me sometimes. :whistling:
 
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ReaderVol said:
No one has named a better coach that is available or that we could get.
Not some damned pipe dream that won't happen. An AD damned sure better have a coach locked down before they fire an 8 win coach.
And for those who say we need an AD who will "pony up the money". You have no clue. That's not how it works. The AD is far from the only one who is involved in the financial end of this.
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It's not simply a matter of "Who else", though. What we know is that CBJ has reached his ceiling. The options are either A) Keep going with him, his staff, lack of game day execution, and hope that the talent can make up the difference in a few games a year. Or...........B) Take a chance on a new up and comer and see where it goes from there.

The simple fact is that a significant portion of the fan base will not be excited about UT football for the remaining time that CBJ is here. That will reflect negatively from a PR perspective as well as monetarily.
 
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ReaderVol said:
No one has named a better coach that is available or that we could get.
Not some damned pipe dream that won't happen. An AD damned sure better have a coach locked down before they fire an 8 win coach.
And for those who say we need an AD who will "pony up the money". You have no clue. That's not how it works. The AD is far from the only one who is involved in the financial end of this.
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I wouldn't mind getting Larry Fedora.
 
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TennVols423 said:
I wouldn't mind getting Larry Fedora.
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no. fedora has recruited well, but he's been just as guilty of making some terrible game management decisions as our guy has. i've not seen anything from fedora to make me think he's capable of taking TN past where we are currently.
 
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ReaderVol said:
No one has named a better coach that is available or that we could get.
Not some damned pipe dream that won't happen. An AD damned sure better have a coach locked down before they fire an 8 win coach.
And for those who say we need an AD who will "pony up the money". You have no clue. That's not how it works. The AD is far from the only one who is involved in the financial end of this.
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Are you saying that we have to think further out than today? Georgia fans are loving their season after firing Richt. Might as well dump your wife for the sexy blonde you just met :)
 
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Our fan base as a whole might not be completely satisfied with any of the potential options out there, but I can see some winning combinations.

Even if the coaches out there would have us at an 8-4 record, some of them would've been far classier. They would've showed up at the press conference following one of the worst losses and not left their senior QB to answer all the tough questions, they wouldn't have called our team the "champions of life" and they would've owned issues and pledged to work on them not just run off long time colleagues blaming everyone but themselves. Further, some of the coaches out there wouldn't have stupid cheesy BS lines.

But most of all, coaches out there would maybe haven't had a decent year or two and are being run out of their jobs, probably would've been 10-1 with this team. I could name a few that come to mind but would get shut down.

Reality is butch jones is not and never has been a fit for Tennessee. Doesn't mean he wouldn't do great at another school. I think the same can be said for some potential options.
 
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Dan Mullen would instantly be the best coach in the East. And it's not close.

He would be the most "realistic" get, IMO.

Hard to win big at MSU and he's done that multiple times there in his tenure.
 
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ReaderVol said:
No one has named a better coach that is available or that we could get.
Not some damned pipe dream that won't happen. An AD damned sure better have a coach locked down before they fire an 8 win coach.
And for those who say we need an AD who will "pony up the money". You have no clue. That's not how it works. The AD is far from the only one who is involved in the financial end of this.
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For enough $$ you can get anybody. But if you want realistic candidates that would be light years above what we've got now you could get any of the following:

Chris Petersen
Ken Niumatalolo
Paul Chryst
Pat Narduzzi
Mike MacIntyre
Kyle Whittingham
Greg Schiano
 
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DownNDirty said:
For enough $$ you can get anybody. But if you want realistic candidates that would be light years above what we've got now you could get any of the following:

Chris Petersen
Ken Niumatalolo
Paul Chryst
Pat Narduzzi
Mike MacIntyre
Kyle Whittingham
Greg Schiano
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narduzzi is a very stubborn coach...great win against Clemson, and he's doing ok at Pitt, but he's stuck with defensive schemes all year that are ill suited to the personnel he's got....especially in the secondary.

not sure where the KW support is coming from....

or Schiano. though i do think he's a good coach.

Mac and Chyst are intriguing to me.

Peterson is going nowhere.....
 
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ReaderVol said:
No one has named a better coach that is available or that we could get.
Not some damned pipe dream that won't happen. An AD damned sure better have a coach locked down before they fire an 8 win coach.
And for those who say we need an AD who will "pony up the money". You have no clue. That's not how it works. The AD is far from the only one who is involved in the financial end of this.
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Cutcliffe, Kiffin, the turd I just flushed, etc.
 
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The last time the Vols were shopping for a coach, the program looked like nothing so much as a worn out, over aged hooker trying her damndest to line up another trick. I'm not anxious to see the experience repeated.
 
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Oh, hell....ok, enough is enough. I've got a tight work schedule most weeks, but for a mil a year (plus shoe contract and radio show) I'll do it. *sigh*

Take one for the team
 
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TennVols423 said:
I wouldn't mind getting Larry Fedora.
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Fedora would be a good target.

Makes roughly half of what Jones makes and may wanna scoot out of town before the NCAA does any damage to the program.

Not sure how much better a coach he is than Jones but I don't see him being any worse.
 
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ReaderVol said:
No you don't get it. We don't have the $ to pay Harbaugh/Saban money. You and the other knee jerkers throw other people's money around like it's just numbers. The money isn't there yet.
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When were you anointed CFO of UT sports? LOL

It's a message board. Calm down Francis.
 
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greazy1722 said:
he don't need to be fired!!he needs a new revamped coaching staff..the players believe in jones but he need a new d coordinator the offense has been doing well lately..that defense though is sorry...we would have been embarrassed in the sugar bowl..its not a championship defense..
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Hasnt he replaced bith coordinators?
 
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