AJ Johnson/Michael Williams Case (merged)

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1972 Grad said:
Why is it that these sexual assaults are almost always football and basketball players? Why don't we hear about all the rapes committed by the golf, tennis, soccer, swimming, and rowing team members?
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Do a search on Stanford swimmer charged with rape. It's a fairly recent charge.
 
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gunner said:
Because it's not a poplar view, and some may even think it to be racist, it definitely doesn't fit thier world view that the main stream media crams down everyone's throat. But, I can certainly tell you as I have worked in law enforcement the last 20 years, my belief is certainly is based on merit.
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It's only racist if you ascribe to the nature > nurture philosophy. People are ultimately products of their environment. Not to say that genetics have no predisposition to determining behavior or personality; we just don't know that much about the human brain at this point.
 
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1972 Grad said:
Problems never get solved until you get to the root cause. Denial doesn't help matters.
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They aren't interested in solving the problems guys like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are making too much money to care about solving the problems in the hood.
 
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spankadelphia said:
It's only racist if you ascribe to the nature > nurture philosophy. People are ultimately products of their environment. Not to say that genetics have no predisposition to determining behavior or personality; we just don't know that much about the human brain at this point.
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Rape isn't an issue in the animal kingdom, nor was it in our caveman days. If you are an animal or an uncivilized savage, you just take what you want. Civilization seems to have cramped the style of some of these guys.
 
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gunner said:
because it's not a poplar view, and some may even think it to be racist, it definitely doesn't fit thier world view that the main stream media crams down everyone's throat. But, i can certainly tell you as i have worked in law enforcement the last 20 years, my belief is certainly is based on merit.
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truth ^
 
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1972 Grad said:
Rape isn't an issue in the animal kingdom, nor was it in our caveman days. If you are an animal or an uncivilized savage, you just take what you want. Civilization seems to have cramped the style of some of these guys.
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The hood, where many of these players are raised is definitely the most uncivilized part of our society. In my experience it's hard to civilize those that have no appreciation for civilization. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. Those that do usually get out when they are able, and never go back. College Football and Basketball is a way out to many and they take it to start a new life. But, some have a difficult time adapting to their new surroundings.
 
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BookVol said:
You do realize that grand juries are pretty much just a rubber stamp right? Only a fraction of a percentage of cases brought before the grand jury aren't indicted.
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In this case, if the DAG wanted to have cover for not prosecuting, a no bill from the GJ would have been the way to do it. Returning a presentment here is an ominous sign for both. The DAG thinks there is sufficient evidence to prosecute.
 
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gunner said:
I know this isn't PC but the reality of the situation is that most crime occurs in the hood and that's where the majority of the football and basketball players are raised. What's the saying you can take the boy out of the hood but you can't take the hood out of the boy!
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You've never been to Hawkins County have you?
 
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CeJayVols said:
Drae Bowles, Drae Bowles father and D'Andre Payne on the states witness list. I think it's fair to say this is another reason why both players transferred and got out of dodge!
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I'm curious how you think that you know who is on the state's list of witnesses, because I can assure you that it hasn't been filed in court yet.

At least someone has the guts to come forward with what they saw.
 
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zqvol said:
I'm curious how you think that you know who is on the state's list of witnesses, because I can assure you that it hasn't been filed in court yet.

At least someone has the guts to come forward with what they saw.
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I am not sure, but I think he was referring to those individuals that testified before the Grand Jury. That was based on what Someone in the media tweeted. I'm not really sure how the players father was added to the list or what he had to add. If they did indeed provide testimony to the GJ then it leaked out because GJ Testimony is secret.
 
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flatiron said:
Maybe not exactly Goshen Valley...

hawkins county rape - Google Search

I'm just pointing out that it's not just the "hood" that has problems with high crime rates and acts of depravity. There's quite a bit of that happening in rural East Tennessee too.
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I agree, crime rates are usually the most frequent in the poorest areas.

I was simply referring to the hood because it's those types of areas where some of the players on the football team are born and raised.

Correct me if I'm wrong but UT doesn't have too many players on their team from areas like Hawkins County.

Since you like Google so much try these two key words, "Memphis Rape" and see what comes up.
 
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gunner said:
I agree, crime rates are usually the most frequent in the poorest areas.

I was simply referring to the hood because it's those types of areas where some of the players on the football team are born and raised.

Correct me if I'm wrong but UT doesn't have too many players on their team from areas like Hawkins County.

Since you like Google so much try these two key words, "Memphis Rape" and see what comes up.
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Skyler McBee and A.W. Davis were both from Hawkins County, but I don't believe that either committed many rapes while at U.T.


Edit: I got Grainger and Hawkins confused. They are from Rutledge in Grainger County.
 
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gunner said:
I know this isn't PC but the reality of the situation is that most crime occurs in the hood and that's where the majority of the football and basketball players are raised. What's the saying you can take the boy out of the hood but you can't take the hood out of the boy!
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Brandon Vandenburg was from the hood? William Kennedy Smith was from the hood?

Rape occurs across all racial, income, and class boundaries. Maybe it gets hushed up better among some. It's comforting to tell ourselves that it's a problem for "those people," and not the kid next door or in your history class or teeing off in the foursome after you.

And no, I'm not naive enough to think that it isn't especially bad in low income areas. But don't try to pretend that it's all "them."
 
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VolNExile said:
Brandon Vandenburg was from the hood? William Kennedy Smith was from the hood?

Rape occurs across all racial, income, and class boundaries. Maybe it gets hushed up better among some. It's comforting to tell ourselves that it's a problem for "those people," and not the kid next door or in your history class or teeing off in the foursome after you.

And no, I'm not naive enough to think that it isn't especially bad in low income areas. But don't try to pretend that it's all "them."
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I didn't know that William Kennedy Smith was a football player while at Duke.

Keep your head in the sand.
 
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1972 Grad said:
I didn't know that William Kennedy Smith was a football player while at Duke.

Keep your head in the sand.
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What are you talking about? I'm talking about when a member of the Kennedy clan was accused of rape in Florida. Rape occurs across all social spectra, and in a variety of circumstances. Keep your own damn head in the sand.

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1991 assault charge
In 1991, Smith was tried and acquitted on a charge of sexual assault, represented by Miami-based criminal defense attorney Roy Black in a trial that attracted extensive media coverage.[7]

The incident began on the evening of Good Friday, March 29, 1991, when Smith, then 30 years old, was in a bar (named Au Bar) in Palm Beach, Florida, with his uncle, Senator Ted Kennedy, and his cousin Patrick J. Kennedy. Smith met a 29-year-old woman and another young woman at the bar. The five then went to a nearby house owned by the Kennedy family. Smith and the 29-year-old woman walked along the beach. The woman alleged that Smith raped her; Smith testified that they had consensual sex. Although three women were willing to testify that Smith had sexually assaulted them in incidents in the 1980s that were not reported to the police, their testimony was excluded.[8] Smith was acquitted of all charges.

2004 civil charges
In 2004, a former employee of the Center for International Rehabilitation alleged that Smith had sexually assaulted her in 1999, and brought a civil action against him.[9] Smith denied her charges, calling them "outrageous" and saying that "family and personal history have made me unusually vulnerable to these kinds of charges" and resigned from the CIR.[10] On January 5, 2005, the court dismissed the employee's lawsuit.[11]

Later in 2005, Smith settled with another employee who accused him of sexual harassment.[12]
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William Kennedy Smith - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (yes, I know, Wiki, but it was reported elsewhere)

You're my age; surely you remember this. the 1991 case helped bring the issue of date rape (as opposed to "creepy guy jumping out of bushes rape") into public discussion.
 
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VolNExile said:
Brandon Vandenburg was from the hood? William Kennedy Smith was from the hood?

Rape occurs across all racial, income, and class boundaries. Maybe it gets hushed up better among some. It's comforting to tell ourselves that it's a problem for "those people," and not the kid next door or in your history class or teeing off in the foursome after you.

And no, I'm not naive enough to think that it isn't especially bad in low income areas. But don't try to pretend that it's all "them."
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No offense, but you are completely missing the point, the discussion was about college football and basketball players and how SOME have challenges transitioning from the environment they were raised in to the college life style and is acceptable and normal behavior for any college student.
 
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gunner said:
No offense, but you are completely missing the point, the discussion was about college football and basketball players and how SOME have challenges transitioning from the environment they were raised in to the college life style and is acceptable and normal behavior for any college student.
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Oh OK, understood. I was replying to a post that was discussing someone's 30-some-odd years in law enforcement who said (or implied) that most rape cases involved men from "the hood." I don't think that he was discussing just college athletes and rape. I see that this appeared OT, and I apologize for any thread-jack, however unintended. I get irritated at the implication that crimes like this belong to a different group, "them", not "us."

I agree that with the current reality that many potential college (and pro) athletes come from environments that see sports as one of the few ways out, we're going to see students who don't fit the usual college student profile, and I completely agree that many didn't get the guidance needed on how a man should behave. OTOH, I know an awful lot of young men from privileged backgrounds who attended ridiculously expensive private schools who didn't get this either.

--Just to veer off yet again, I'm amazed at the posters who are blaming this (if it even happened) on Jones. Are they saying that anyone, including a college coach, is supposed to be able to look at a relative stranger and determine whether they are not only capable of rape, but likely to commit rape, and therefore shouldn't recruit them? That's just ridiculous.
 
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VolNExile said:
What are you talking about? I'm talking about when a member of the Kennedy clan was accused of rape in Florida. Rape occurs across all social spectra, and in a variety of circumstances. Keep your own damn head in the sand.

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William Kennedy Smith - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (yes, I know, Wiki, but it was reported elsewhere)

You're my age; surely you remember this. the 1991 case helped bring the issue of date rape (as opposed to "creepy guy jumping out of bushes rape") into public discussion.
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Of course I remember Smith, and I also remember that he went to Duke. We were talking about football players, and that is why I asked if he played football at Duke. I knew that he didn't.
 
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What steps does Butch jones and Antoine Davis do or say to team 119 going forward.. Obviously there is some messages that need to be told..
 
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Nocleats said:
What steps does Butch jones and Antoine Davis do or say to team 119 going forward.. Obviously there is some messages that need to be told..
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Stay sober, don't let girls lure you in and don't try to think with the little head.

Be like Tim Tebow, stay a virgin forever, LOL!

#BrickbyBrick...VFL...GBO!!!
 
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