AJ Johnson/Michael Williams Case (merged)

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daj2576 said:
Truthfully, its extremely difficult not to break the law.

Did you speed today? Change lanes without blinkers? Fail to yield? Not come to a complete stop at every stop sign?

If you are asking how difficult it is not to rape, well...thats a whole other story.
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I did none of those things you listed today.
 
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MFL said:
There is a chance of parole in murder but in Tennessee you serve all the judge gives you for rape. No Parole...15 years per count charged
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Only 15 years for Aggravated Rape? I thought you could get 25 to life for that.
 
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tim said:
Not really true. Most prosecutors are overwhelmed with caseload and essentially try to get the best (most time) deal they can without a lengthy court clogging trial.
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Plea bargains are absolutely necessary to keep the wheels of the criminal justice system working. If every defendant decided they were going to take a case to trial, everything would simply stop. It would be chaos.

So yes, the likelihood is that the majority of plead cases are for lower crimes and misdemeanors that aren't worth taking to trial. In that case, you are correct.

In this case, put in context of the discussion, we are talking about a higher profile sex crimes case. There, and in other similar cases, my general statement tends to hold true.

It even tends to hold true in lower cases as well. Its about the ability to negotiate. If pushed, and the case isn't good, the deal will be far better.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
I did none of those things you listed today.
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I can almost guarantee that if we pulled out the full Tennessee Code annotated, the local ordinances for your city and county, that there would be something you have done that might technically be breaking the law.

Double parking, jay walking, leaving a car running without being in it, 1 mile an hour over the speed limit is technically speeding, having a tail light out, not turning your lights on in the rain, not pulling over for emergency vehicles, whatever. There are so many regulations that it has been said that statistically everyone breaks the law in some way almost every day. It is disgusting to me, but it is what we seem to want...more regulation will fix "it."
 
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CNCVol88 said:
After mattress girl up at Colombia excuse me if I'm skeptical until the evidence is shown on both sides.
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Matress girl up at columbia?

Are you talking about the Rolling Stone/Virginia Tech story?

If not, I want to hear about it.

EDIT: I mean Virginia (UVA) not VPI.
 
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usfdv said:
When this started, I recall lots of people here saying, "I am waiting to see what the evidence says" and waiting to see if they'd be charged. I predict now it'll be something else. As is already happening by a few posters. News flash, people do not want to believe this kind of thing, I get that. But, to not believe it is absurd. Happens every day by people who others viewed as "such a nice person" therefore can't be true. Get over it.
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I think it's just as bad by most to assume guilty.....I hope they didn't do it but if they did then I hope they get the harshest penalty possible.....that being said a grand jury indictment is not even close to a guilty verdict
 
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BookVol said:
You do realize that grand juries are pretty much just a rubber stamp right? Only a fraction of a percentage of cases brought before the grand jury aren't indicted.
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If that was your daughter, I bet you would feel differently.
 
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GOVOLS 1 said:
That's right, keep believing just because they're UT players they aren't capable of doing something like this
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That's what he said huh? Off topic, you got your rope?...you know?...in case they want due process?
 
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99gator said:
A grand jury indictment doesn't mean they are guilty. That's why there is a trial.

Of course, a not guilty verdict does not mean the person is "innocent" either.
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Correct, it just means that based on the facts and circumstances that were presented to the Grand Jury there is enough evidence to formally charge each, and move forward with the case.
 
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daj2576 said:
Matress girl up at columbia?

Are you talking about the Rolling Stone/Virginia Tech story?

If not, I want to hear about it.
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No. Different story. Girl at Colombia University claimed a guy raped her. Reported it to school and title IX. Neither pursued charges. She proceeded to carry her mattress around campus. All kinds of press about her. Gets invited to the state of Union etc etc. 2 more people get involved. One an ex of the guy who filed a complaint after talking with mattress girl and the other a member of the coed frat he was in who accused him of following her upstairs and groping and trying to kiss her. She came forward after he had already been named by Matress girl. All charges by the schools "gender enforcement" and title IX were dismissed.
Columbia Student: I Didn
 
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butchna said:
That's probably why they don't include the alleged victim's parents on the grand jury. :idea:
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Or the petit jury...

And that is why the defendant's attorneys in the vanderbilt case, last I heard, have an arguable motion for a retrial; because someone in the jury had been a victim.
 
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CNCVol88 said:
No. Different story. Girl at Colombia University claimed a guy raped her. Reported it to school and title IX. Neither pursued charges. She proceeded to carry her mattress around campus. All kinds of press about her. Gets invited to the state of Union etc etc. 2 more people get involved. One an ex of the guy who filed a complaint after talking with mattress girl and the other a member of the coed frat he was in who accused him of following her upstairs and groping and trying to kiss her. She came forward after he had already been named by Matress girl. All charges by the schools "gender enforcement" and title IX were dismissed.
Columbia Student: I Didn
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Interesting story, thanks for the link.

I would also suggest a reading of "A Rush to Injustice" about the Duke Lacrosse team. It's terrifying.

By the way, if I recall correctly, the false victim at Duke is now serving a sentence for a later murder, apparently (and the DA was disbarred).

Again, none of this conversation is an indication that I am taking sides in the current case. As a law student, I am interested in these sorts of cases and in the way the media covers them.
 
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