Ainge REALLY hurt his NFL stock...

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allvol123 said:
Yes, that is why they all gather in Indianapolis and evaluate "promise".
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I know you're trying be a smartass, but you're exactly right and proved his point.

Look at all the combine monsters that put up unbelievable times in the forty, the reps on bench, get drafted in the first round and fail miserably.

Courtney Brown, Cade McNown, Akili Smith, Kyle Boller (but it's debateable after last night) Lawrence Phillips, the DT the Eagles drafted (Brandon Man-something), Tim Couch, Ryan Leaf etc al.
 
#53
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justingroves said:
Look at all the combine monsters that put up unbelievable times in the forty, the reps on bench, get drafted in the first round and fail miserably.
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Failing miserably is irrelevant then. If you are saying people that put up great combine numbers get drafted early then that proves they are drafting measurable skills, not promise.
 
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allvol123 said:
Failing miserably is irrelevant then. If you are saying people that put up great combine numbers get drafted early then that proves they are drafting measurable skills, not promise.
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That does not translate to success the football field. It's not football skills. Running a 4.3 forty doesn't mean you are a good football player. The speed offers promise that they'll be a good football player. Not that they will be.
 
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After watching Boller take all of those hits last night after completing passes, there is no doubt in my mind that Ainge will not make it in the NFL. Ainge has never been able to stand in the pocket and deliver an accurate pass while taking a hit. Everyone knows that the reason Ainge only got sacked twice all year was because he wouldn't wait for receivers to come open and instead just threw the ball away. An NFL QB has to be able to withstand the pressure in the pocket and deliver the pass and Ainge seems to lack that ability and be scared and nervous in those situations.When Ainge has time in the pocket and sets his feet, there is not a more accurate passer in the league. When the game is on the line and there is pressure to score or make a 1st down, Ainge is the worst I've ever seen.
 
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justingroves said:
That does not translate to success the football field. It's not football skills. Running a 4.3 forty doesn't mean you are a good football player. The speed offers promise that they'll be a good football player. Not that they will be.
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I never said he would be a success or anyone would be. The fact is measurable skills go a LONG way in determining if and when you are drafted. That is why they have the combine. Let me see the "promise" section of some NFL scout.
 
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allvol123 said:
Failing miserably is irrelevant then. If you are saying people that put up great combine numbers get drafted early then that proves they are drafting measurable skills, not promise.
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To some teams, that is promise. Look at Chris Henry out of Arizona that got drafted by the Titans.

On the flip side (bad measureables) LenDale White.

I don't know what Ainge can bring that is promising to teams. If he chokes in the bowl game, and doesn't impress with reps or 40' time, or even throwing the ball well at the combine, he's hosed totally. If he won the SECCG and the bowl, but had the same combine, he'd be drafted much higher for his poise alone.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You have no clue about what makes a good NFL QB. Ainge has the height, the arm strength and he's an athlete (he was a basketball player after all). We've seen Ainge bail us out in big games this season such as Kentucky and Vandy (accomplishments no other QB in 30 or so years has ever done) and guided us to the SECCG.

Ainge has all of the qualities an NFL team drools over.
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He may have the tools but he'll crumple like a piece of notebook paper 1st time he gets touched. He's got the toughness of a 4 year old girl. IMO he won't last a season without injury.....
 
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rockytophigh said:
He may have the tools but he'll crumple like a piece of notebook paper 1st time he gets touched. He's got the toughness of a 4 year old girl. IMO he won't last a season without injury.....
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Maybe I am wrong but he played with a broken finger all year long. The only time he missed significant time was due to a broken collarbone, in which I doubt anyone would be able to play with...I dont understand this criticism.
 
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OrangeWilly said:
Maybe I am wrong but he played with a broken finger all year long. The only time he missed significant time was due to a broken collarbone, in which I doubt anyone would be able to play with...I dont understand this criticism.
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I was speaking to the fact of he's scared to take a hit....he plays scared and get's nervous/innaccurate when defenders are near. He does have the tools & I honestly think if someone could coach a lil' toughness in him, he might could play NFL ball.
 
#61
#61
Ainge's stock wasn't that high to begin with. He's not listed on anyone's top 100 prospects that I have seen. That translated into being 4th or 5th round.

His combine could make a difference but I don't think he will be stronger, faster, or smarter then the other QB's in the draft. I dont think it will help him.
 
#62
#62
He needs to study for his real estate exam I doubt he'll ever take a snap in an NFL game. Maybe Heath will hire him.
 
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#63
Ainge is along the lines of Ken Dorsey. If you recall Dorsey did'nt get sacked much either, however I believe he played for a NC against OSU. Dorsey sucked in the NFL.

They are built similarly also, I think Ainge may be a little heavier.
 
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tim said:
Ainge is along the lines of Ken Dorsey. If you recall Dorsey did'nt get sacked much either, however I believe he played for a NC against OSU. Dorsey sucked in the NFL.

They are built similarly also, I think Ainge may be a little heavier.
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In Dorsey's time as a starter (2001-2003), Miami sent 13 people to the NFL...

In the first round. I think Miami had a bit more talent then than UT does now. By a long shot. I also highly doubt that Ainge will fall to the 7th Round.
 
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DC Vol said:
In Dorsey's time as a starter (2001-2003), Miami sent 13 people to the NFL...

In the first round. I think Miami had a bit more talent then than UT does now. By a long shot. I also highly doubt that Ainge will fall to the 7th Round.
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Ainge also has a lot better arm than Dorsey did.
 
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I was making a sack and NFL comparison. 13 people drafted to the NFL from Miami did'nt play offense. However he did have talent.
 
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tim said:
I was making a sack and NFL comparison. 13 people drafted to the NFL from Miami did'nt play offense. However he did have talent.
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should have said all of them did'nt play offense
 
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tim said:
should have said all of them did'nt play offense
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I didn't matter. Your point was that he played in the NC game. It wasn't Dorsey that took Miami to the game, it was all of those 1st Rounders from 2001-2003. Doesn't matter, as we're arguing semantics.

EDIT: The point that I'm making is that if we beat LSU then went to the Sugar Bowl, and won, it would have been Ainge to carry the team. I honestly doubt any current starters will even go in the top 3 rounds.
 
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Making a comparison between qb's not teams. I realize that Miami was a much better "team" that year than UT's current team. However, Ainge typically does'nt carry this team. A 5 yd pass and a long run belongs to the reciever. I am certain that our recievers could and would get open down field and would get open more if Ainge didnt have concrete feet. I'm not saying run the 40 in 4.3 just move around a little bit and when you do get hit you dont break.

If my aunt had.......

MY point was and is that Ainge is LIKE Dorsey..in that he will probably go to the NFL.. BUT he will suck
 
#71
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Ainge will be fine. Comparing him to Dorsey is horrible. Dorsey has a incredible weak arm, and went to the NC b/c of his running backs....Davenport, Mcgahee, Portis, etc...for those stint of years they more NFL probowlers than someone could imagine. Not to mention the recently fallen Sean Taylor at safety.
 
#72
#72
Actually looking at Dorsey's senior year numbers they are very comparable. Rag arm and all Dorsey had more longer plays from scrimmage than Ainge. If you want look at Ainge's Jr. season stats and compare them with Dorsey's and you'll see they look similar.

Like I said I'm not comparing the teams only the two qb's. Hard to understand? I know your argument is that you cant compare the two without looking at the team. Well I am. And how can you judge Ainge's arm? A 5 yard pass and a 20 yard floater is not a good measuring stick.
 
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tim said:
Actually looking at Dorsey's senior year numbers they are very comparable. Rag arm and all Dorsey had more longer plays from scrimmage than Ainge. If you want look at Ainge's Jr. season stats and compare them with Dorsey's and you'll see they look similar.

Like I said I'm not comparing the teams only the two qb's. Hard to understand? I know your argument is that you cant compare the two without looking at the team. Well I am. And how can you judge Ainge's arm? A 5 yard pass and a 20 yard floater is not a good measuring stick.
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I've had longer plays from scrimmage than Ainge.....

He's a second day practice squad pic unless he has a sensational combine...
 
#74
#74
Why is there a basketball icon? Is ainge so bad at football that he is going to try to go back to basketball or what?
 
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