Ainge Nailed It

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Vol8188 said:
Unpopular opinion, everything the coaches did at the end of the game was 100% correct. They put themselves in a scenario where the other team had to score twice with 0 timeouts and recover an onside kick.

Granted the other team almost did it, but you’re still best to always play the odds their
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Not with 7 minutes left and this D. Right now, you have to trust Hooker and the O more than the D. In a few years when they've recruited and developed the kinds of players who DO NOT give up chunk plays like they did... then it may be the correct calculation.
 
#77
#77
Other_Guy said:
Explain where they didn't keep their foot on the gas.
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Well, when they stopped calling aggressive plays down the field on O and when they went into an even softer zone and stopped blitzing and stunting.
 
#78
#78
sjt18 said:
Well, when they stopped calling aggressive plays down the field on O and when they went into an even softer zone and stopped blitzing and stunting.
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When did they stop calling aggressive plays on O? That would be the last drive. Except they DID call an agressive play, the 4th down play. If Warren runs 2 yards deeper this isn't a convo.
So answer me this: if Tenn doesn't bleed the clock on that last drive... how much time do you think Florida has to score after recovering the onside kick and do they score and actually win?
And about the defense... when was UT stopping Florida and then all of a sudden got soft and gave up yards and TDs? Where was the transition?
Florida's previous 2 drives:
TD
Fumble at Tenns THIRTEEN yard line.
Not sure where Tenn started playing soft, except from the start of the game.
 
#79
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sjt18 said:
Not with 7 minutes left and this D. Right now, you have to trust Hooker and the O more than the D. In a few years when they've recruited and developed the kinds of players who DO NOT give up chunk plays like they did... then it may be the correct calculation.
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7 minutes? 4:48 was on the clock the last time we got the football. With 4:48 and a 2 possession lead, you run the ball and eat clock. Because you know the odds of them with 0 timeouts and around 2 minutes to score of scoring twice is nearly 0.

We were still aggressive and scored our last TD with 7:48 left.
 
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#80
#80
sjt18 said:
Not with 7 minutes left and this D. Right now, you have to trust Hooker and the O more than the D. In a few years when they've recruited and developed the kinds of players who DO NOT give up chunk plays like they did... then it may be the correct calculation.
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Rewatch the game. We scored with 7:55 and didn’t get the ball back and run another play till 4:00. Who in their right mind would throw the ball down field in that situation? The defense giving up the last 2 touchdowns in another issue.
 
#81
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UTK said:
The staff did the right thing running clock when it did. Some y'all just pissy you all almost had a heart attack. The odds of UF pulling the comeback was extremely low. It just got closer than we would of liked but let's not get stupid here.
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"Stupid" is thinking it wasn't a mistake to go prevent O/D with over 7 minutes left in the game. I am betting the staff doesn't do that again until they have a D that can actually stop the opponent. What they do normally is close enough to "prevent" D to start with.

But you know your team. Your QB hasn't thrown 3 picks in his last 416 passes. The "conservative" move is to put trust in an O that is really good... not a D that's questionable.
 
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#82
#82
wmcovol said:
I’ve heard Hooker was hurting pretty bad at the end is why they were conservative the last possession. It kinda supports my theory he probably took a shot of some medication after he was initially hurt. He was clearly in pain in the 2nd Qtr but managed thru and played great 3rd Qtr. Probably the medication began to wear off by late 4th Qtr.

I know many here probably think “Oh my beloved Tennessee wouldn’t do that.” Yes they all do. It’s as part of the game as taping ankles.
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Yep, opiates are as in demand and prevalent in college football as any other brace or pad you will put on. If the injury is severe enough to hurt you, but not completely knock you out of the game, you're probably getting some type of pain meds. The best and quickest way to numb or alleviate that pain is by injection form, so without %100 knowing It happens, I believe it does. JMO
 
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Vol8188 said:
7 minutes? 4:48 was on the clock the last time we got the football. With 4:48 and a 2 possession lead, you run the ball and eat clock. Because you know the odds of them with 0 timeouts and around 2 minutes to score of scoring twice is nearly 0.

We were still aggressive and scored our last TD with 7:48 left.
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Apparently not. Apparently it is a lot greater than zero with this particular D at this particular point. The O is a LOT safer bet right now than the D.
 
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sjt18 said:
Apparently not. Apparently it is a lot greater than zero with this particular D at this particular point. The O is a LOT safer bet right now than the D.
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You mean the thing that didn't happen? You're convinced it has a great chance of happening?

Maybe you should look at actual onside kick recovery rates.
 
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TexasVolfan1 said:
Rewatch the game. We scored with 7:55 and didn’t get the ball back and run another play till 4:00. Who in their right mind would throw the ball down field in that situation? The defense giving up the last 2 touchdowns in another issue.
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No it isn't. The issue is placing the game in the hands of your D after watching AR's season turn around in the first 3 quarters. Let's put it this way. At this particular point in the evolution of the program, do you trust Hooker to make a good decision with the ball or this D to be able to stop anyone playing prevent?

Usually you would be advocating for the low risk option. With this team at this point... you aren't.
 
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Vol8188 said:
You mean the thing that didn't happen? You're convinced it has a great chance of happening?

Maybe you should look at actual onside kick recovery rates.
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Maybe you need to go back and watch the performance of that D in the last 7 minutes. There will come a day when UT can trust its D to play prevent and slow the opponent down. That day isn't today.
 
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#88
wmcovol said:
I’ve heard Hooker was hurting pretty bad at the end is why they were conservative the last possession. It kinda supports my theory he probably took a shot of some medication after he was initially hurt. He was clearly in pain in the 2nd Qtr but managed thru and played great 3rd Qtr. Probably the medication began to wear off by late 4th Qtr.

I know many here probably think “Oh my beloved Tennessee wouldn’t do that.” Yes they all do. It’s as part of the game as taping ankles.
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Are you a bonafide theorist?
 
#89
#89
sjt18 said:
Maybe you need to go back and watch the performance of that D in the last 7 minutes. There will come a day when UT can trust its D to play prevent and slow the opponent down. That day isn't today.
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The same defense that gave up 7 points in the entire 3rd quarter, 0 in the first quarter and only 21 for the entire game?

They made the right call.

Why would expect a defense that had only given up 21 all game to give up 14 in under two minutes and that they would recover an onside kick? You’re straight lying to us if you think that was likely
 
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#90
sjt18 said:
No it isn't. The issue is placing the game in the hands of your D after watching AR's season turn around in the first 3 quarters. Let's put it this way. At this particular point in the evolution of the program, do you trust Hooker to make a good decision with the ball or this D to be able to stop anyone playing prevent?

Usually you would be advocating for the low risk option. With this team at this point... you aren't.
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Bro they threw it on 4th down to END it so they wouldn't have to put it on the Ds shoulders. Warren simply didn't run far enough. It's like some of you watched a completely different 4th Q than I did lol
 
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sjt18 said:
No it isn't. The issue is placing the game in the hands of your D after watching AR's season turn around in the first 3 quarters. Let's put it this way. At this particular point in the evolution of the program, do you trust Hooker to make a good decision with the ball or this D to be able to stop anyone playing prevent?

Usually you would be advocating for the low risk option. With this team at this point... you aren't.
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Even 1 incompletion on the last drive gives Florida and extra 40 or so seconds. It was played the right way, without a perfectly executed onside kick it’s not even a discussion.
 
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#93
#93
Heupel: I'm going to go score a TD, then when I get it back, bleed the clock down to 1:20 and in Florida territory not try the FG or punt but go for it on 4th down and then we take knees to end the game because my defense cant stop them."
*4th down pass attempt fails*
Some of you, including Ainge: tHeY tOoK tHeIr FoOt oFf ThE gAs!
 
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#94
#94
TexasVolfan1 said:
Even 1 incompletion on the last drive gives Florida and extra 40 or so seconds. It was played the right way, without a perfectly executed onside kick it’s not even a discussion.
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Make a first down with 7:50 left... and it isn't even a possibility.
 
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#96
Other_Guy said:
Heupel: I'm going to go score a TD, then when I get it back, bleed the clock down to 1:20 and in Florida territory not try the FG or punt but go for it on 4th down and then we take knees to end the game because my defense cant stop them."
*4th down pass attempt fails*
Some of you, including Ainge: tHeY tOoK tHeIr FoOt oFf ThE gAs!
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The playcalling changed too soon. At this point, the D cannot be trusted to protect a lead. It really is just that simple. At some point, hopefully the D can be trusted. Not now.
 
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#98
Mccage said:
Are you a bonafide theorist?
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No, I just noticed HH was really hurting right after he got taken to the ground and later he was throwing 40 yd fades. I wondered why is that? Did he suddenly get well? Probably not. It’s a pretty easy conclusion. Some of us have it, some don’t.
 
#100
#100
sjt18 said:
The playcalling changed too soon. At this point, the D cannot be trusted to protect a lead. It really is just that simple. At some point, hopefully the D can be trusted. Not now.
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THEY WENT FOR IT ON FOURTH DOWN WITH 1:20 LEFT TO END THE GAME
 
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