Ainge......is not a winner!! Period

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goodolerockytop2 said:
he is a great player under perfect condition.....put a lil pressure on him and he goes all to pieces

Ainge = :bad:

Tebow = :superman:
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I wouldn't go as far as to say he goes to pieces (that's what he did in 2005), but he has been very well trained in the art of playing not to lose. He doesn't lose you a game, nor does he win you a game. I mean, the running game wasn't the problem. We ran the ball with Foster pretty easily. The difference is that during the 7 minute drive that Bama had in the closing moments of the 1st half, JPW made plays with his feet that kept drives going or got them in position to make first downs. Our QB didn't do that... and hasn't done it as far back as I can remember. Heck, even duck-footed Casey Clausen scrambled once or twice in his career to pick up a first down when things broke down around him.
 
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#153
goodolerockytop2 said:
only thing I can tell them.......is he is terrible with his back against the wall.......throws the ball away on 4th down, with 10 mins left he plays like we have 17 point lead trying to run the clock.......oh yeah, he has NEVER been good in the clutch.....other then that, his stats are great and he is awesome :)
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Ainge is still living off of the moment he caught lightning in a bottle in 2004 in the Florida game. He actually made a few plays in that game. Haven't seen that since.

If we are down by a 4-7 pts with 2-3 minutes to go, how many of you have faith that Ainge could actually drive the ball 80 yards and deliver us a win/take it to overtime. In the clutch, Ainge is non-existent.
 
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Chemvol said:
When your one-dimensional on offense, it doesn't matter who your qb is. He could be Joe Montana or Joey Harrington. If you can't run, it doesn't matter.
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Well we DID average 5.4 per carry today. You can't blame that on Ainge. He can only do what they allow him to do. I'm sure he'd love to wing it and probably call some of his own plays, but even when we do run well, it's proof that the coaches will make sure that it doesn't happen.
 
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mattvols said:
If I remember correctly Manning threw 4 interceptions in one half one year against Florida. No QB is perfect all the time and Ainge didnt play bad today. He played average but he is not the reason we got killed. Ainge needs to be better in the bigger game I agree but in most our bigger games we've been playing catchup and have abandoned our gameplan do to our defense playing so terrible.
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That doesn't explain why we only have scored 13 points on offense against Florida (even had a few possessions when the game was out of hand and we still didn't muster anything) or explain why we went scoreless in the second half. The defense played terribly... nobody is arguing that. But the offense did nothing at all. When you are behind, you need a QB that is going to be able to bring you back with his arm or scramble and keep drives going if things breakdown...

We just managed 17 points today.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Ainge is still living off of the moment he caught lightning in a bottle in 2004 in the Florida game. He actually made a few plays in that game. Haven't seen that since.

If we are down by a 4-7 pts with 2-3 minutes to go, how many of you have faith that Ainge could actually drive the ball 80 yards and deliver us a win/take it to overtime. In the clutch, Ainge is non-existent.
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Air Force, Georgia, Alabama, South Carolina, Kentucky 2006....unless of course you don't want to give him any credit for that. Or 2004 Florida, Georgia, Alabama.....

Show me the same examples of all the times that Ainge HAS had the opportunity down 4-7 points and HE cost us the game................................

I just don't see how you can say he's not existent.

Why wouldn't anyone have faith in him? I think his completion percentage, decision making, accuracy, etc etc have proven him to be worthy. He isn't the one calling 2 yard hitch plays on 3rd and 3.
 
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GAVol said:
...because the comebacks against Florida in '04, Georgia last year and Alabama last year were all flukes.
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The Florida win in 2004 is legit and I will always give him credit for that. But not for beating a downtrodden UGA team that struggles with the likes of Vandy and nearly goes a year between wins over SEC East teams or a Bama squad coached by Mike Shula. Those were games we were both winnable games. Heck, today was a winnable game...
 
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goodolerockytop2 said:
Manning is leader.......Ainge is a puppet, that burns me up but its true....we have no leader on offense unless it would be Arian Foster.....but ur leadereship needs to come from ur QB.....and I don't think you can coach that
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Foster is def. the closest thing we have to a leader on offense.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The Florida win in 2004 is legit and I will always give him credit for that. But not for beating a downtrodden UGA team that struggles with the likes of Vandy and nearly goes a year between wins over SEC East teams or a Bama squad coached by Mike Shula. Those were games we were both winnable games. Heck, today was a winnable game...
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It isn't fair to discredit him for winning the winnable games. How many of those games were we probably the underdog? Like I said earlier, he hasn't really had a lot of chances to have that last minute drive down the field. He hasn't really got us beat, but he also has rarely been the sole reason we win either. He's somewhere in the middle.

Definitely not the leader on offense that we need. Nowhere near it. I wouldn't even consider Arian Foster the leader on offense. He's been a headcase because of his fumbling and granted he actually shows some attitude out there, I don't know that he's fully comfortable taking on that role. Maybe next year?

Where's the Scott Wells, the Peerless Price, Travis Stephens......it's as if no one steps up. Maybe it's because we don't have but a handful of people that actually get all of the snaps and everyone else is too worried about losing their job or losing reps.
 
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corona1898 said:
get real. our boys have scored close to 30 points per game and this is the first time they fell short. Dfense was AWFUL. They gave up 41 points!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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If our defense plays up to their potential, 17 points may not have been enough to win us the game. The offense certainly didn't do their part. Part of that is play selection and I place that blame on the staff for not getting the playmakers the ball (Foster or Chris Brown) when they were clearly our best options on the field. But part of the blame also has to fall on the QB. He's supposed to be the leader. Now like I have said, he didn't lose us the game. But he certainly didn't go out there and do anything extra to get out of the pocket and make a play with his legs like JPW did all game.
 
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NationofVols said:
Well we DID average 5.4 per carry today.
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That's true...although it seems to me that the better a guy runs the fewer touches he gets. Cutcliffe seems to want to pass first and run second. But the o-line pass blocks better than they run block so I'm not that surprised.

The dip-and-dunk short stuff Ainge does every game does make me scratch my head though. Tenn doesn't try to stretch the field vertically a lot, and that's not Ainge's fault.
 
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TacomaJPP said:
I agree some of the "wants" for our new coach are pretty craptacular. But Ainge isn't our problem.
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He's not our problem, but he sure hasn't been a solution, either. The guy is just vanilla. He won't lose you a game, and he want win you a game.
 
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Chemvol said:
That's true...although it seems to me that the better a guy runs the fewer touches he gets. Cutcliffe seems to want to pass first and run second. But the o-line pass blocks better than they run block so I'm not that surprised.

The dip-and-dunk short stuff Ainge does every game does make me scratch my head though. Tenn doesn't try to stretch the field vertically a lot, and that's not Ainge's fault.
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HE CANT THROW THROW DEEP BALL......why does noone see that.....:whatever:
 
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Chemvol said:
That's true...although it seems to me that the better a guy runs the fewer touches he gets. Cutcliffe seems to want to pass first and run second. But the o-line pass blocks better than they run block so I'm not that surprised.

The dip-and-dunk short stuff Ainge does every game does make me scratch my head though. Tenn doesn't try to stretch the field vertically a lot, and that's not Ainge's fault.
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Who knows. Hardesty doesn't sniff the ball, Lennon Creer gets one carry on 3rd and inches when Foster has gashed them for 7 ypc at that point, they go back to shotgun on 3rd and 2 in the 3rd quarter.

I don't mind the dink and dunk and the 10 yard routes. I like using the passing game to high efficiency and eating up the clock like we'd do if we run it. However, they've proven they can throw strikes 15-20 yards down field, over the middle, etc. They were running the ball really well today and they just stopped doing it.

I wonder if Cutcliffe forgot that the playaction is still something that is worth using.
 
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NationofVols said:
It isn't fair to discredit him for winning the winnable games. How many of those games were we probably the underdog? Like I said earlier, he hasn't really had a lot of chances to have that last minute drive down the field. He hasn't really got us beat, but he also has rarely been the sole reason we win either. He's somewhere in the middle.
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Now you are feeling what I'm saying. 2005 was a debacle... but he has improved since then. But what has he become? Instead of the QB that could blow up at any minute, Cutty has made him into a "system QB" that stays within the boundaries of the grand scheme, which is to not not make a mistake and lose us a game. Unfortunately, that means not taking risks and taking shots down field, that means not scrambling or trying to make a play when the pocket collapses around you. He not going to improvise and make something out of nothing (make plays) when things go wrong.

He's to the point now where he doesn't lose you games, and he doesn't win you games, either. He's just a vanilla QB that makes a lot of high percentage short passes.
 
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Chemvol said:
That's true...although it seems to me that the better a guy runs the fewer touches he gets. Cutcliffe seems to want to pass first and run second. But the o-line pass blocks better than they run block so I'm not that surprised.
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What perplexes me is that the moment we have something that works, we go away from it and try to establish something else. Take the Florida game last season, when we rushed for -11 yards. The passing game was there all game, yet for some inexplicable reason (many say Fulmer influenced his decision), instead of us contnuing with what got us the 10 point lead in that game, we tried to establish the run. That is the complete opposite of what happened today. We had the run all day long with Foster, yet for some reason, we went away from Foster, and to an extent, we hardly used Chris Brown at all.
 
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#175
NationofVols said:
I wonder if Cutcliffe forgot that the playaction is still something that is worth using.
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great point... we have rarely seen that. And you would think in a game like this where we were getting chunks of yards on the ground that the play action would get guys biting on the run and open up something down field.
 
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