Aguilar's experience vs his passing yards totals

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Clad in Big Orange said:
Why some people have a hard time understanding this, I don’t know. We were in a bad situation and needed a 3rd QB capable of competing with the other two. They can all push each other and one will emerge as the best option. GM needs to redshirt and now he likely can if the other two stay healthy. We were never going to be in position to pull in a top tier QB at this date.
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If I had to bet a $1000 on who I thought would start it would be JA hands down. He may bomb but CJH didn't match UCLAs 1.2 million for a 2nd string or 3rd string playing behind 2 freshman that have thrown 9 passes in college, and both are skinny as a handrail not ready for SEC IMO. The fact that CJH turned down the Notre Dame QB for JA tells me they see something they really like. Now Steve Angeli ND looks more like a backup that does not make bad decisions, but CJH passed on him.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
Hooker’s career passer rating at Virginia Tech would be second all time at Tennessee, behind only Hooker’s passer rating at Tennessee. He wasn’t prolific passing the ball there, but he was efficient.
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He lost his starting job at VT with all those numbers you're praising him with to Burmeister. started 15 out of 25 games 197 of 312 passes for 2894 yards 22 TDS 7 interceptions. he had 5 interceptions of the 7 his last year which is why he and Burmeister went back and forth as starters.
 
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UTFranklinVol said:
yes JA may not have been sacked because he didn't hold on to the ball as long, but getting rid of the ball hastily resulted in an astronomical number of interceptions. last time I checked Interceptions are more devastating than sacks.

if Heupel manages this by limiting the offensive package and taking the ball out of JAs hands by running more then he completely nullifies the only advantage JA has which is to throw the ball 50 times a game and get 300 yards and try to out throw your Interceptions.

the more I analyze this the more I believe JA is a good experienced backup to Merk.
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Having played some WR in my day, I know for a fact that int's aren't always on the QB. If the QB is getting rid of the ball, it means he knows where the ball should go. That doesn't mean guys are always where they're supposed to be. As a result u get high int numbers.

I coached AJ Hill and he wanted to see our WR's get open before he let it rip. I had to get him to understand that hanging on to the ball will not only get him killed, but it will cause the same turnovers he was trying to avoid. It's far more important to put the ball where it's supposed to be and on time. It's on the WR to do his damn job from that point.

AJ implemented what I told him into his game and he rarely throws picks because of it. I also coached Gibson and Dinkins who will be on UGA's defense. After they played AJ, both came to me like "damn coach u taught AJ how to beat the pass rush and it comes out so quick that it's hard to make a play on the ball." Give me a guy who knows/gets the ball where it's supposed to go and we'll light up the scoreboard.
 
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UTFranklinVol said:
people have talked a lot about Aguilar's passing numbers last year but man he was clubbing some baby seals. here is App States schedule last year (by the way they went 5-6)

East TN State
Clemson
East Carolina
South Alabama
Marshall
Louisiana
Georgia St
Old Dominion
Coastal
James Madison
Georgia Southern

So you may want to zoom in on the one game he actually played against a quality opponent (25th ranked Clemson)

Aguilar was 18 of 41 passing 43% with 1 TD

unfortunately there are no other reliable data points from 2024 as the remainder of their schedule was abismal. however you can go back to 2023 where he threw for even more yards. let's look at that schedule..

North Carolina
East Carolina
Wyoming
Louisiana Monroe
Coastal
Old Dominion
Southern Miss
Marshall
Georgia State
James Madison
Georgia Southern
Troy
Miami (OH)

again kind of a carbon copy of 2024 with only one power 5 opponent where he completed 51% of his passes against North Carolina, not bad but they still lost and North Carolina is not really a good power 5 opponent, but I guess my biggest fear is he has not much real experience against power 5 teams, let alone GOOD power 5 teams.

I really worry about him being able to produce against really good competition, not that I think he can't, but there's no proof he can. all those passing yards but not against quality teams. Nico had amazing numbers against crappy non conference teams and then the SEC schedule started and we could barely score.

granted Aguilar should have higher quality players around him at Tennessee but I wish he had a bit more experience against big boy football teams so I felt better about his passing production.
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It's easy to critic a qb against "good competition" but you have to take a lot of variables into account. I've seen assistant coaches with a tackling dummy put up more resistance than some of that oline. Clemson blitzed nearly every play. WR's dropped passes right in their hands.
 
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Go watch his team. Their coach got fired for a reason. His team was worse than most of the talent they faced.

That's only a fair argument when the talent you're playing against is worse than the talent you're playing with.
 
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KTrain said:
He lost his starting job at VT with all those numbers you're praising him with to Burmeister. started 15 out of 25 games 197 of 312 passes for 2894 yards 22 TDS 7 interceptions. he had 5 interceptions of the 7 his last year which is why he and Burmeister went back and forth as starters.
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Hooker basically had one season’s worth of passing attempts at Va Tech. His numbers would have made for a pretty good season.

I don’t know why it’s so hard for some to accept that Hooker was not trash before coming to UT.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
The next season they were 13 - 3.

There was a learning curve.
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They also upgraded their OL and WR room. Edge took over for Marshall Faulk. Yes a learning curve again that is much higher than going from group of 5 to a P4 program is. Going to be a learning curve no matter who goes where, it’s like any job usually has one. No we will see how quickly he can catchup, that is the question. But let’s not pretend that Nico was getting this offense either and he had been here almost 3 years. I’m just hoping the OL syncs up because it’s higher rated than any we have had since Heup has been here. Now let’s see if there is development that goes with those star ratings. WR I think will be good, lots of talent there that I hope shows up.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
Hooker basically had one season’s worth of passing attempts at Va Tech. His numbers would have made for a pretty good season.

I don’t know why it’s so hard for some to accept that Hooker was not trash before coming to UT.
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He wasn’t all that good either, hence the reason he lost his job to a Bum. Was he terrible, no, but he wasn’t very good either. If we had the same portal at that time as we do now, he wouldn’t be rated all that highly with his NIL and there wouldn’t be a ton of schools trying to poach him. He also wouldn’t have gotten drafted like he did, that development happened because of UT.
 
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Bigorangefaninga said:
They also upgraded their OL and WR room. Edge took over for Marshall Faulk. Yes a learning curve again that is much higher than going from group of 5 to a P4 program is. Going to be a learning curve no matter who goes where, it’s like any job usually has one. No we will see how quickly he can catchup, that is the question. But let’s not pretend that Nico was getting this offense either and he had been here almost 3 years. I’m just hoping the OL syncs up because it’s higher rated than any we have had since Heup has been here. Now let’s see if there is development that goes with those star ratings. WR I think will be good, lots of talent there that I hope shows up.
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My concern is the jump from Sun Belt to SEC is quite a leap. There's concern that Merk doesn't have enough experience to start but he HAS faced SEC talent in games and practice, Aguilar hasn't.

I'm not convinced Aguilar is the day one starter not only because of his late start in the offense but also because of his lack of experience at the SEC level.

Go back and check the Sun Belt game stats. Yes, Aguilar can and will throw but he had at least 3 games with 2 INTs in the Sun Belt last year.

Throw 2 INTs in an SEC game and even our tough D is going to be stretched. That can be the difference in close conference games.
 
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Bigorangefaninga said:
He wasn’t all that good either, hence the reason he lost his job to a Bum. Was he terrible, no, but he wasn’t very good either. If we had the same portal at that time as we do now, he wouldn’t be rated all that highly with his NIL and there wouldn’t be a ton of schools trying to poach him. He also wouldn’t have gotten drafted like he did, that development happened because of UT.
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I don’t disagree with what you said here. What I disagreed with was someone saying he was “not good” at Va Tech. He was a solid player in an offense that wasn’t a fit for him.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
My concern is the jump from Sun Belt to SEC is quite a leap. There's concern that Merk doesn't have enough experience to start but he HAS faced SEC talent in games and practice, Aguilar hasn't.

I'm not convinced Aguilar is the day one starter not only because of his late start in the offense but also because of his lack of experience at the SEC level.

Go back and check the Sun Belt game stats. Yes, Aguilar can and will throw but he had at least 3 games with 2 INTs in the Sun Belt last year.

Throw 2 INTs in an SEC game and even our tough D is going to be stretched. That can be the difference in close conference games.
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You obviously want to limit turnovers, but our offense has struggled the last two years with guys who were so scared to turn it over that they’d rather run out of bounds with no time left rather than risk an INT. It is possible that we could get greater returns from our QB even with a few more picks.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
You obviously want to limit turnovers, but our offense has struggled the last two years with guys who were so scared to turn it over that they’d rather run out of bounds with no time left rather than risk an INT. It is possible that we could get greater returns from our QB even with a few more picks.
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Heupel's offense is heavily geared against turnovers because tempo produces more 3 and outs AND more explosive mismatches for chunk plays.

Last year was extremely heavy on the run because Sampson provided sure yardage and our passing game (reading) was weaker. If Aguilar CAN read better than Nico, we'll see more passing again. That's the best case.

My concern in listening to some of the YouTube about UCLA Spring Ball was that Aguilar was throwing into traffic in CA, getting picked in 7x7 drills. If Heupel doesn't have confidence in Aguilar's decision making, I'd prefer Merk because of his year of experience in the offense.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Heupel's offense is heavily geared against turnovers because tempo produces more 3 and outs AND more explosive mismatches for chunk plays.

Last year was extremely heavy on the run because Sampson provided sure yardage and our passing game (reading) was weaker. If Aguilar CAN read better than Nico, we'll see more passing again. That's the best case.

My concern in listening to some of the YouTube about UCLA Spring Ball was that Aguilar was throwing into traffic in CA, getting picked in 7x7 drills. If Heupel doesn't have confidence in Aguilar's decision making, I'd prefer Merk because of his year of experience in the offense.
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A turnover isn’t much worse than the litany of 3 or 4 and outs that Joe and Nico gave us. I’m not saying Aguilar will be any good or our best option. I’m just saying we could have a guy throw 10 or 11 picks, and the offense could still be better than what we saw under Joe and Nico.
 
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Fair analysis. I've heard he's a gunslinger - high risk/high reward. If Huepels system is designed to limit QB mistakes, shouldn't that be a good thing?
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
My concern is the jump from Sun Belt to SEC is quite a leap. There's concern that Merk doesn't have enough experience to start but he HAS faced SEC talent in games and practice, Aguilar hasn't.

I'm not convinced Aguilar is the day one starter not only because of his late start in the offense but also because of his lack of experience at the SEC level.

Go back and check the Sun Belt game stats. Yes, Aguilar can and will throw but he had at least 3 games with 2 INTs in the Sun Belt last year.

Throw 2 INTs in an SEC game and even our tough D is going to be stretched. That can be the difference in close conference games.
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Yes and again I went and watched all his INT, did you? 2 of those games his WR F’d up, one was a catch and the DB just ripped it out of the WR hands, that was a 45 yard pass. I try not to talk on things I know nothing about. Again though, anyone will tell you that it’s a greater leap going from college to Pros for most players compared to Sun Belt to SEC. It’s not like he left for the Big Ten. The SEC lost a step last year TN and UGA lost their first game in the playoffs with only Texas with a win and that was against a terrible Clemson who South Cackilacky beat and they beat Arizona State. Guess we will see when the season starts how it all shakes up.
 
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So he didn't look good against Clemson. He was on a Sun Belt Conference also-ran, with Sun Belt players around him and a bad OL even by Sun Belt standards, and the best team in the ACC made him look bad. Gee, I wonder why?

Only an effin moron would judge a player based on such criteria. If he had genuine P4 talent around him, fine. But did App State have a single player on its offense other than him who could even make an SEC team other than maybe Mississippi State?

OP sounds like the people on here who declared Kim Caldwell incompetent when her Sun Belt players couldn't stand up to a nationally-ranked ACC team in the NCAA Tournament.

Aguilar may or may not be able to translate his Sun Belt success to the SEC, but not being able to beat a CFP team with a bad Sun Belt team doesn't mean squat. He could just as easily show he belongs, which is what UCLA seems to have thought before they found out they could poach a big name and grab some headlines in football for the first time since Troy Aikman was there.
 
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