Advanced Metrics Nonsense

#826
#826
BadJerry20 said:
I'm the most surprised by wilt. Some crazy Wilt stats.

32-60 pt games
118-50 pt games
271-40 pt games

45-50pt games in a season
63-40pt games in a season

65 straight 30pt games
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Holy crap.

I wanna throw Shaq back to those times and let him go to work.
 
#828
#828
Some more.

Averaged 50.4pts and 25.7rbs one year.

55rbs in one game

7 straight 50 pt games

9 straight triple doubles

Only player ever with a double-triple-double
22pts 25rbs and 21asts

Got criticized for being selfish, so he went out and lead the NBA in total asts.
 
#829
#829
I know nobody could match him size wise but still crazy numbers. And there are a lot lot more than what I named.
 
#830
#830
BadJerry20 said:
Some more.

Averaged 50.4pts and 25.7rbs one year.

55rbs in one game

7 straight 50 pt games

9 straight triple doubles

Only player ever with a double-triple-double
22pts 25rbs and 21asts

Got criticized for being selfish, so he went out and lead the NBA in total asts.
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Lol he trolled the league.
 
#832
#832
BadJerry20 said:
Some more.

Averaged 50.4pts and 25.7rbs one year.

55rbs in one game

7 straight 50 pt games

9 straight triple doubles

Only player ever with a double-triple-double
22pts 25rbs and 21asts

Got criticized for being selfish, so he went out and lead the NBA in total asts.
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#833
#833
BadJerry20 said:
Lol yeah a little.

I still think if you brought him up in the AAU circuit and gave him today's supplements workout regime and everything, he'd still be a 28 and 15 guy or close to it.
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Probably pretty close on the rebounding, but the talent pool is thicker and there are fewer rebound opportunities (FG% is a lot higher today). Scoring would be a function of how much he shot. I think a majority of the league could average 28 as long they are taking 20+ shots per game.
 
#834
#834
Hines do you like looking at five man unit stuff much? Or do you look more at individual player efficiency and such?
 
#835
#835
n_huffhines said:
Probably pretty close on the rebounding, but the talent pool is thicker and there are fewer rebound opportunities (FG% is a lot higher today). Scoring would be a function of how much he shot. I think a majority of the league could average 28 as long they are taking 20+ shots per game.
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With the bigs today, I think he would get a lot of shots. If it was the 90's it would probably dip though, it was pretty stacked with bigs.
 
#836
#836
005 said:
Hines do you like looking at five man unit stuff much? Or do you look more at individual player efficiency and such?
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Not sure what you mean by 5-unit. Is that a particular metric? Are you referring to how mix and matches of guys work together?

I look at individuals and basically the sum of individuals will tell you what to expect from the team. It's pretty crazy how closely it predicts results. So they'll take how many wins were produced by each individual based on their stats and tell you within a few games how many wins they had.
 
#837
#837
n_huffhines said:
Not sure what you mean by 5-unit. Is that a particular metric? Are you referring to how mix and matches of guys work together?

I look at individuals and basically the sum of individuals will tell you what to expect from the team. It's pretty crazy how closely it predicts results. So they'll take how many wins were produced by the 12 man roster based on their stats and tell you within a few games how many wins they had.
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I know there can be distinct differences in +/- and more advanced stats like offensive/defensive efficiency when different 5 man units are on the floor... sees how certain people play together, i guess. Just didn't know if you enjoyed that realm.
 
#838
#838
005 said:
I know there can be distinct differences in +/- and more advanced stats like offensive/defensive efficiency when different 5 man units are on the floor... sees how certain people play together, i guess. Just didn't know if you enjoyed that realm.
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+/- is interesting, but it depends so much on who you are playing with and who you are playing against. For instance a 6th man might be a very good player but his +/- might be zero cause he is playing with the bench players. Or say a PG's +/- might be really high because he has excellent players around him so they win but he might not have much to do with it.

There is a +/- stat that tries to control for teammates, but I don't know how reliable it is.

Do you look at the stats you are talking about? Link?
 
#839
#839
I hardly ever look at them and it certainly isn't regularly. I hear mentions on podcasts and see mentions on twitter... was a mention recently about how Howard/Asik will exist on offense together. But I don't know exactly where they are coming from. Next time I see the mention on twitter i'll ask.
 
#840
#840
005 said:
I hardly ever look at them and it certainly isn't regularly. I hear mentions on podcasts and see mentions on twitter... was a mention recently about how Howard/Asik will exist on offense together. But I don't know exactly where they are coming from. Next time I see the mention on twitter i'll ask.
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I remember reading this article last year in regard to the 5 man unit stuff, the points per 100 possessions thing is pretty interesting and I think I've recently heard/read about a lot of people putting stock into the defensive aspects of these numbers.

The Houston Rockets, Indiana Pacers, Golden State Warriors, and more of the NBA's best lineup - Grantland
 
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#841
#841
Points per 100 possessions is a great stat. Points per game doesn't mean anything. It's all about pace. D'Antoni was getting slammed in NYC for how many points he was giving up, but it's because they play up-tempo. His last year they were one of the best defensive teams in terms of points per possession.

The flip side is that guys like Thibs will tend to have overrated D (though still really good) because they limit the number of possessions with their slow-pace, thus decreasing PPG.
 
#842
#842
n_huffhines said:
Points per 100 possessions is a great stat. Points per game doesn't mean anything. It's all about pace. D'Antoni was getting slammed in NYC for how many points he was giving up, but it's because they play up-tempo. His last year they were one of the best defensive teams in terms of points per possession.

The flip side is that guys like Thibs will tend to have overrated D (though still really good) because they limit the number of possessions with their slow-pace, thus decreasing PPG.
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Agree with you. I also prefer percentage to per game numbers.
 
#845
#845
A guy on here said Stokes 17pts on 17fgs was a pretty good number. I went all Huff on him spouting numbers about how it was pretty inefficient.
 
#848
#848
How dare people have opinions, numbers rule all and The Huff is always right! Lol Tell me about that solid rotation of bigs even though they only really played 2 bigs, or how Raja Bell shut down Kobe again even though he only played 19 minutes. :)
 
#849
#849
Ftr and for the love of god I don't want this argument started again. I just wanted to poke at you cause it's funny that you are still stuck on being right in this argument. Let it go and move on brah. :)
 
#850
#850
n_huffhines said:
You can watch a game, hear commentary on the game and be convinced of things that didn't happen. It explains why people think Iverson carried his team to the finals when he couldn't shoot to save his life in the ECSF and ECF.

Even People With "Perfect Memory" Can Be Tricked Into Recalling Fake Events | Surprising Science
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Explain one thing though why do I still know Melo sucks? Does this only work on A.I.? If so does Melo control my mind? Am I a pawn in his game called life? And should I be worried?

Crap that was more than one thing...damn you Melo, get out of my mind!
 
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