Academic report from GVX....

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#379
Soundbites from Dooley on the radio today:

"I was very disappointed because we put a tremendous amount of energy in supporting our players academically. We meet on them every week. But I don’t want to minimize what transition will do in any realm."

"All this transition, we saw how it impacts a football program. We’ve also had an inordinate amount of transition in the Thornton Center. All of our counselors were new. So the expectations were different. They didn’t understand me. I didn’t understand them. I think the players had to get used to a new system of support."

"We were lagging in some areas from how we support it. We had a lot of growing pains. That’s not to minimize the amount of responsibility the players have and the coaches have, but I think that was a real example (of) what change and a lot of attrition will do.’’

"What I’m hoping is we bounce back big time this semester. And I can tell you this, we’ve had our best semester from an attitude standpoint and from a compliance standpoint and a class attendance standpoint since I’ve been here.’’

"I was surprised at the end. I think that was something where a lot of the newness, it reared its ugly head and so we’ve worked through it and we’re having a good semester and that’s what matters is how you respond to it.’’

Dooley confirmed:

The fall GPA of scholarship football players had increased each of the previous three years before 2011 in spite of coaching changes after the 2008 and 2009 seasons.

A total of 30 football players were on academic probation (less than a 2.0 GPA) after the 2011 season, 24 of them on scholarship. Any of them making below a 2.0 GPA in the spring would mean dismissal.

Dooley didn't know how many would have been able to play in a bowl game in December, had the Vols been bowl eligible.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
They know their progress. If so many are on the verge of blowing it, why would only 2 sit?
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You're right - it all made it up and only 2 players are on academic probation - its all complete horse****. The actually GPA for scholarship players is actually a 3.5 and would be closer to a 3.8 if those 2 hadn't brought it down with their 0.0 GPA.. clearly these guys are VFLs and we can thank Dooley cause he's so awesome and these guys don't have grade issues at all!

VFL!!!!!
 
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LA Vol said:
Soundbites from Dooley on the radio today:

"I was very disappointed because we put a tremendous amount of energy in supporting our players academically. We meet on them every week. But I don’t want to minimize what transition will do in any realm."

"All this transition, we saw how it impacts a football program. We’ve also had an inordinate amount of transition in the Thornton Center. All of our counselors were new. So the expectations were different. They didn’t understand me. I didn’t understand them. I think the players had to get used to a new system of support."

"We were lagging in some areas from how we support it. We had a lot of growing pains. That’s not to minimize the amount of responsibility the players have and the coaches have, but I think that was a real example (of) what change and a lot of attrition will do.’’

"What I’m hoping is we bounce back big time this semester. And I can tell you this, we’ve had our best semester from an attitude standpoint and from a compliance standpoint and a class attendance standpoint since I’ve been here.’’

"I was surprised at the end. I think that was something where a lot of the newness, it reared its ugly head and so we’ve worked through it and we’re having a good semester and that’s what matters is how you respond to it.’’

Dooley confirmed:

The fall GPA of scholarship football players had increased each of the previous three years before 2011 in spite of coaching changes after the 2008 and 2009 seasons.

A total of 30 football players were on academic probation (less than a 2.0 GPA) after the 2011 season, 24 of them on scholarship. Any of them making below a 2.0 GPA in the spring would mean dismissal.

Dooley didn't know how many would have been able to play in a bowl game in December, had the Vols been bowl eligible.
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Nope its all bull****! I was just trollin' you guys!!!!!

VFL!!!
 
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Bassmanbruno said:
You're right - it all made it up and only 2 players are on academic probation - its all complete horse****. The actually GPA for scholarship players is actually a 3.5 and would be closer to a 3.8 if those 2 hadn't brought it down with their 0.0 GPA.. clearly these guys are VFLs and we can thank Dooley cause he's so awesome and these guys don't have grade issues at all!

VFL!!!!!
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calm down dude. You said 30. The number is 24. I told you that you were wrong. Now you are making an ass of yourself again.
 
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Bassmanbruno said:
The scholarship average was a 1.9 and 30 players currently on academic probation which requires two consecutive semesters of below a 2.0 or a cumulative gpa below a 2.0.

Very embarrassing to hear.
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Spartacavolus said:
calm down dude. You said 30. The number is 24. I told you that you were wrong. Now you are making an ass of yourself again.
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Here's my original post. Good try though. I said 30 players are currently on probation. Sure you could try to take it as I meant 30 scholarship players - but I didn't - and only a true ass would try to argue that. You've trolled the **** out of this thread since I've posted the statistics that did not even come from me - they came from local media members.. and now from the HC himself.. so get over yourself and go troll elsewhere.
 
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My takeaway is this:

1) It's inexcusable that it got this far. BUT we had an unusually wretched fall and apparently academics fell by the wayside. The problem has been noted, a$$es have undoubtedly been chewed out and heads have probably rolled.

2) They sound on top of it now. New safeguards are in place and expectations have been made clear.

3) We will probably not lose anyone we care greatly about losing. Of the 30, 28 are still here and will likely pull the 2.0 this semester. Jobs depend on it.

It looks bad, and reflects horribly on the university, but it's more than likely under control. And it probably won't happen again. JMO. Carry on.
 
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The part where Dooley mentions that the counselors were new and they weren't on the same page was hilarious. Really? Man up.
 
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Bassmanbruno said:
Fail.
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I'm not going to waste time copying and pasting, so you can go back and see several of my posts questioning the 30 scholarship player number. You didn't debate my assertion that it was lower. The 24 on it sucks and is higher than normal, but 6 walkons being on probation vs 6 scholarship players is a difference. They could be frat boys for all we know.
 
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So of the 30, 3 are seniors, 22 are juniors, and 10 are sophomores. That totals 35. Where am I screwing up with the math?
 
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Bassmanbruno said:
The part where Dooley mentions that the counselors were new and they weren't on the same page was hilarious. Really? Man up.
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Out of all the things you can criticize the coaching staff for, kids failing at UT isn't one of them. I would kill for the resources the players have. They are just lazy. You can't force a kid to do good in school.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
I'm not going to waste time copying and pasting, so you can go back and see several of my posts questioning the 30 scholarship player number. You didn't debate my assertion that it was lower. The 24 on it sucks and is higher than normal, but 6 walkons being on probation vs 6 scholarship players is a difference. They could be frat boys for all we know.
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Or people like Brodus, Carter, etc...
 
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Spartacavolus said:
I'm not going to waste time copying and pasting, so you can go back and see several of my posts questioning the 30 scholarship player number. You didn't debate my assertion that it was lower. The 24 on it sucks and is higher than normal, but 6 walkons being on probation vs 6 scholarship players is a difference. They could be frat boys for all we know.
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I already looked back through for you bro - and you're full of **** like normal. You mentioned 30 scholarship players in two posts. And you didn't even quote anyone in the first and quote some other guy the 2nd time- is it my responsibility to correct your misinterpretation of my post? Hell no I honestly didn't even read it until I went back and checked - you were wrong and I was right - get over it.

I said 30 players were on probation.
 
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Bassmanbruno said:
The part where Dooley mentions that the counselors were new and they weren't on the same page was hilarious. Really? Man up.
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So in this situation put yourself in Dooley's shoes. Exactly how would you have "man up " and handled this situation?
 
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jp1 said:
So in this situation put yourself in Dooley's shoes. Exactly how would you have "man up " and handled this situation?
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No excuses? Take the blame and don't try to dump it on new employees at the academic center? The part about how crappy last season was and it rolled over into academics is at least believable but that line had me rolling.
 
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