About the officials.

#53
#53
Really? How do YOU know anything abou about the speed of a game ehen you are down in the thick of it. You dont know anything at all about it aside from watching television. Again I say it: you think that it's easy? You try it. In ANY sport.
 
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mudhen said:
they are fast and you have less than a second to decide all of this
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Um, the most egregious call in the game was the unnecessary roughness on Taylor. Ref had well more than a second to make that stupid call.

You're right - it's not an easy job. But there are many people out there more capable than what was on display Saturday. They should be held accountable. Can't do their jobs, find others who can. Simple.
 
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Coach Pruitt acknowledged, from the outset of his Monday press conference, the challenges and difficulties associated with officiating college football. If human error occurred randomly, we could all accept that as part of the human condition. After all, that is what the review process is for, at least ostensibly, to correct the most egregious errors. If human error truly occurred as a random process in officiating, one also would expect to see a relatively even distribution of calls that improperly favored one team over the other. Unfortunately, that simply was not the case in Saturday’s game vs. Alabama.

rjd970, thanks a lot for the compare-and-contrast video evidence of the fact that the rules quite simply are, for “whatever reason,” interpreted differently when Alabama players are involved. Or, if you prefer a description that doesn’t mince words, a selectively blind eye is routinely applied to the transgressions of ‘bama players.
 
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mudhen said:
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I agree. To me, the problem is that the players so fast and so quick. that to catch most things needs the replay cameras and that goes for ANY major sport. As for transparency, no sport that i know of is very transparent about the ups and downs of an officials career outside of the English premier league. The NFL wishes they had the money involved in that league.
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I agree with you for the most part but when the referees are making $h!t up as they go, to negate one teams momentum, that is where I draw the line. Let’s say, a soccer team is on the attack, a fast break if you will, no one was offsides, 3 players are barreling down the field on the offensive and the only thing between them is one defender and the keeper, is it ok for a “soccer referee” to step in, stop play for no apparent reason, let the defense get set and then start play with a drop ball?
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mudhen said:
All that I'm saying is that the vetting of officials in the higher end of a sport is extreme. And i believe that your attachment to the Vols has clouded YOUR judgment. That there is incompetence in officiating, cheating is rare. As for homerism, I DO wonder why officials from the home teams area are allowed to ref there.
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That was a lot of words that avoided answering the question. I like how you pivoted, made an attempt to discredit me, and then followed all that up with a little back tracking. Are you a politician?

How can you make judgment on their intent if you do not know them nor work for their employer? Simply saying I'm in the same line of work is not a factual way to qualify your judgement.

Are you seriously sticking with this ( I'm in the same line of work) as your reasoning as to how you can verify their intent?
 
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mudhen said:
After reading most of the trashing that the refs got at the bama game, I have something to say to you guys who are sh$% talking. You think its easy? YOU try it. I've been a soccer referee since 2003 and it wasn't until the last few years that I feel that I "get it". Officiating ANY sport at other than the Pee wee level takes years of dedication, study, and practice. Once boys get to the junior high age, they are fast and you have less than a second to decide all of this; fair or foul, if foul, then what kind of foul, and did the fouled team lose a promising play ( yes, advantage IS called in football, just not out loud like in soccer. Remember, you are also usually RUNNING when this is taking place. At the higher level of the game, referees are vetted thoroughly before they are even considered for selection, and once chosen, it is easy to get the boot, and nigh on impossible to come back once that happens. The refs do tons of tape study and are debriefed by mentors after every game, every decision gone over. Now, as for former players becoming officials, U.S. soccer had a special fast track for former pros to be officials but they called it off because they found that the players tended to THINK like a player and not like a ref, and they are very, very, different mind sets. Being a "homer" would be immediately noticed by the staff, and your career would end that day. In any sport. The fastest way for a player or coach, or fan to get tossed out from any game i officiate is to accuse me of being a cheater. Face it folks, the call may be bad, but the intent was anything but.
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I think you are missing the point of why most are upset about the ala game. It had nothing to do with how hard it is, it's the way the game was called. If you don't understand that I'm not sure what to tell you.
 
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cobbwebb0710 said:
I agree with you for the most part but when the referees are making $h!t up as they go, to negate one teams momentum, that is where I draw the line. Let’s say, a soccer team is on the attack, a fast break if you will, no one was offsides, 3 players are barreling down the field on the offensive and the only thing between them is one defender and the keeper, is it ok for a “soccer referee” to step in, stop play for no apparent reason, let the defense get set and then start play with a drop ball?
GBO!!
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No. It is not. That was ridiculous. I'll tell you what, you want changes, start an email campaign to your state representative as regards this issue. These are , for the most part, state sanctioned colleges and fall under the purview of the legislature. You clearly have grounds and a legitimate gripe.
 
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Ty4Vols said:
That was a lot of words that avoided answering the question. I like how you pivoted, made an attempt to discredit me, and then followed all that up with a little back tracking. Are you a politician?

How can you make judgment on their intent if you do not know them nor work for their employer? Simply saying I'm in the same line of work is not a factual way to qualify your judgement.

Are you seriously sticking with this ( I'm in the same line of work) as your reasoning as to how you can verify their intent?
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I can't speak for football but i can say thT one of the first things that we are taught is that we cannot read the minds of the players. We can only judg their actions and their results.
 
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mudhen said:
I can't speak for football but i can say thT one of the first things that we are taught is that we cannot read the minds of the players. We can only judg their actions and their results.
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I feel that is a good rule to follow, however, this past saturdays game was a lot like a basketball game being officiated. There were a lot of “anticipation” fouls at extremely crucial, momentum swinging, points in the game. It started out fairly clean and then it was like “someone” had an oh $h!t moment, and said wait a minute, these guys aren’t going away like they were supposed to, do something about it.
GBO!!
 
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It's a tough job, do they get a free pass? No way. Just like any other job, refs should be evaluated on their performance. If they do a poor job, they need to be appropriately disciplined.
 
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mudhen said:
After reading most of the trashing that the refs got at the bama game, I have something to say to you guys who are sh$% talking. You think its easy? YOU try it. I've been a soccer referee since 2003 and it wasn't until the last few years that I feel that I "get it". Officiating ANY sport at other than the Pee wee level takes years of dedication, study, and practice. Once boys get to the junior high age, they are fast and you have less than a second to decide all of this; fair or foul, if foul, then what kind of foul, and did the fouled team lose a promising play ( yes, advantage IS called in football, just not out loud like in soccer. Remember, you are also usually RUNNING when this is taking place. At the higher level of the game, referees are vetted thoroughly before they are even considered for selection, and once chosen, it is easy to get the boot, and nigh on impossible to come back once that happens. The refs do tons of tape study and are debriefed by mentors after every game, every decision gone over. Now, as for former players becoming officials, U.S. soccer had a special fast track for former pros to be officials but they called it off because they found that the players tended to THINK like a player and not like a ref, and they are very, very, different mind sets. Being a "homer" would be immediately noticed by the staff, and your career would end that day. In any sport. The fastest way for a player or coach, or fan to get tossed out from any game i officiate is to accuse me of being a cheater. Face it folks, the call may be bad, but the intent was anything but.
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allvol said:
It's a tough job, do they get a free pass? No way. Just like any other job, refs should be evaluated on their performance. If they do a poor job, they need to be appropriately disciplined.
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I agree completely. I myself wonder if the NCAA is having a problem with coming up with competent officials. The NFL is having that problem right now. There seems to be no clear path towards becoming a high level official in college football.
 
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mudhen said:
I can't speak for football but i can say thT one of the first things that we are taught is that we cannot read the minds of the players. We can only judg their actions and their results.
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Ok, so you cannot speak for football is a vague and non descriptive answer that means I cannot speak for this crew's intent.

You just wrote an entire post (you are the OP to this thread) to say you knew their intent and the fact everyone is dumping on the refs pisses you off.

But now you admit you do not in fact know their intent.

So, you are mad because you hearing the refs being bashed and you are internalizing this and taking it personally. This is causing you unnecessary stress that has lead to and caused you to lash out. You are taking this way too personally my guy. My sister is a psychologist. She usually prescribes marijuana for the type of behavior you're demonstrating. Since she's not in Tennessee may I suggest going and getting high as hell and trust me you'll calm right down and everything will be just fine. Repeat getting high again tomorrow if your symptoms return.
 
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mudhen said:
After reading most of the trashing that the refs got at the bama game, I have something to say to you guys who are sh$% talking. You think its easy? YOU try it. I've been a soccer referee since 2003 and it wasn't until the last few years that I feel that I "get it". Officiating ANY sport at other than the Pee wee level takes years of dedication, study, and practice. Once boys get to the junior high age, they are fast and you have less than a second to decide all of this; fair or foul, if foul, then what kind of foul, and did the fouled team lose a promising play ( yes, advantage IS called in football, just not out loud like in soccer. Remember, you are also usually RUNNING when this is taking place. At the higher level of the game, referees are vetted thoroughly before they are even considered for selection, and once chosen, it is easy to get the boot, and nigh on impossible to come back once that happens. The refs do tons of tape study and are debriefed by mentors after every game, every decision gone over. Now, as for former players becoming officials, U.S. soccer had a special fast track for former pros to be officials but they called it off because they found that the players tended to THINK like a player and not like a ref, and they are very, very, different mind sets. Being a "homer" would be immediately noticed by the staff, and your career would end that day. In any sport. The fastest way for a player or coach, or fan to get tossed out from any game i officiate is to accuse me of being a cheater. Face it folks, the call may be bad, but the intent was anything but.
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Judgement calls like unsportsmanlike conduct or roughness are what we're really talking about and have nothing to do with the speed of the game.
 
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