A Theory about JG

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k-town_king said:
I go with data based evaluations like PFF. Last year they had him two or three in the SEC preseason. He finished in the middle of the SEC.

This list is pure speculation. Brennan may be terrible. Some guys may not play qb next year. Bad list. Almost as garbage as your posts. It takes a lot to be as bad as your posts though.
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But if JG were 1-3 it’d be a good list though huh KTown?
 
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k-town_king said:
I did. A couple more TDs along with more picks as well.

JG much more efficient by every metric. Better in almost every category than Mond.
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Lol. Mond had 9 games of 200+ plus yards passing. He had as many completions as JG had attempts, and a higher completion percentage. 700 more total passing yards, 4 more passing TDs, and 8 rushing TDs to boot.

But sure...
 
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k-town_king said:
Actually you could make a case for 2-7. Trask is the only returning starter who indisputably had a better year passing the ball.
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For the record I don’t agree with the list either but I do know you’d use it as ammo if he had been in the top 1-4. I personally can see him falling somewhere between 4-6 on any list.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Lol. Mond had 9 games of 200+ plus yards passing. He had as many completions as JG had attempts, and a higher completion percentage. 700 more total passing yards, 4 more passing TDs, and 8 rushing TDs to boot.

But sure...
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You can make a case. I did acknowledge that. If someone wanted to put him over they would have a good argument. There is a a good argument to put JG higher.

Aren't you the main guy who claimed a nice percentage on a bunch of short passes was not a good thing? That is all Mond did.

Mond 6.9ypa
JG 8.4 ypa

JG had a whole YARD AND A HALF MORE per attempt.

Mond 131 qb rating
JG 144 qb rating

JG did better with the attempts.

So JG had a better rating, ypa, first down%, pass td %, and sack rate.

You can make an argument for either.

Like I said only Trask had a INDISPUTABLY better year PASSING. You can make an argument for Mond. The others that passed as well as well as JG have all graduated. The ones who ran it well like JRP can't pass as well.
 
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k-town_king said:
I go with data based evaluations like PFF.
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That's a lie too. You go with them when they seem to say what you want to hear and then deny them when they don't. I showed you where JG was outside the top 100 in red zone effectiveness... you didn't want to hear that.

And those "data based evaluations" last year did something that I warned you about at the time. They took his numbers and did a straight line extrapolation. It assumed things like if he had 12 TD's in 240 attempts that he'd have double that in twice the attempts. It assumed that he wasn't protected in 2018... which he was. It assumed improvement that didn't manifest.

IOW's... it was pure speculation but you liked it so you declare it valid.

Last year they had him two or three in the SEC preseason. He finished in the middle of the SEC.
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And... these guys noticed, huh? The also noticed he was benched for being ineffective in favor of a true Fr who wasn't really ready to play. They probably even noticed or perhaps even watched the Vandy and IU games.

And think about what you just admitted. Those "data based evaluations" you crowed about all last summer... were wrong.

This list is pure speculation. Brennan may be terrible. Some guys may not play qb next year. Bad list. Almost as garbage as your posts. It takes a lot to be as bad as your posts though.
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You are a fundamentally dishonest person. I would love to think you are just that self-deceived but I really don't know.

To answer, JG may not start next year. Any of those guys could be beaten out or injured. So yeah... speculation like the speculation you have drooled over in the past.

The problem you have with my posts isn't the facts or logic. It is simply that I challenge your cult like delusions... and you don't like it.
 
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1vol8 said:
For the record I don’t agree with the list either but I do know you’d use it as ammo if he had been in the top 1-4. I personally can see him falling somewhere between 4-6 on any list.
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He should be anywhere from 2-6 depending on what you value. If its passing then he should be 2-4. if you value running alot then 2-6.
 
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k-town_king said:
You can make a case. I did acknowledge that. If someone wanted to put him over they would have a good argument. There is a a good argument to put JG higher.

Aren't you the main guy who claimed a nice percentage on a bunch of short passes was not a good thing? That is all Mond did.

Mond 6.9ypa
JG 8.4 ypa

JG had a whole YARD AND A HALF MORE per attempt.

Mond 131 qb rating
JG 144 qb rating

JG did better with the attempts.

So JG had a better rating, ypa, first down%, pass td %, and sack rate.

You can make an argument for either.

Like I said only Trask had a INDISPUTABLY better year PASSING. You can make an argument for Mond. The others that passed as well as well as JG have all graduated. The ones who ran it well like JRP can't pass as well.
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You finally ready to accept that having a low number of attempts leads to inflated passing efficiency numbers?

Your insistence that passing efficiency somehow trumps every other aspect of QB play, has got to be one of the most bizarre stances I've seen a fan of a player take to try and skew perception in their favor.

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You really going to look at those stats together, and try to make the argument that JG had a better year as a passer than Mond?
 
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BeardedVol said:
You finally ready to accept that having a low number of attempts leads to inflated passing efficiency numbers?

Your insistence that passing efficiency somehow trumps every other aspect of QB play, has got to be one of the most bizarre stances I've seen a fan of a player take to try and skew perception in their favor.

Mond2019.png

JG2019stats.png


You really going to look at those stats together, and try to make the argument that JG had a better year as a passer than Mond?
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So now dink and dunk is good as long as you do it a million times a game? I gotcha.
 
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k-town_king said:
So now dink and dunk is good as long as you do it a million times a game? I gotcha.
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If you are consistently moving the offense and scoring points, I don't care if you are throwing 10 dink and dunk passes, or 3 chunk yardage passes.

You care more about JG having a high passer efficiency rating than you do UT actually having a productive offense that scores points and wins games, and that's a fact.
 
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BeardedVol said:
You finally ready to accept that having a low number of attempts leads to inflated passing efficiency numbers?

Your insistence that passing efficiency somehow trumps every other aspect of QB play, has got to be one of the most bizarre stances I've seen a fan of a player take to try and skew perception in their favor.

Mond2019.png

JG2019stats.png


You really going to look at those stats together, and try to make the argument that JG had a better year as a passer than Mond?
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Not sure you could claim he’s better, but I don’t think it’d be crazy to say he was somewhere in the same neighborhood.
 
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GAVol said:
Not sure you could claim he’s better, but I don’t think it’d be crazy to say he was somewhere in the same neighborhood.
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Mond had 100+ more completions, 160+ more attempts, 700+ more total yards, 4 more passing TDs, 8 more rushing TDs, and higher completion percentage. JG had one less interception, and a higher QBR.

That's in the same neighborhood? Cause Mond didn't play so poorly in the first 4 games that he lost his starting job to a true freshman whom the coaches hadn't even begun to prepare to take over for JG.

Not to mention contrasting their performances in matchups against Alabama, Mississippi State, and Georgia which both QB's played against.
 
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GAVol said:
Not sure you could claim he’s better, but I don’t think it’d be crazy to say he was somewhere in the same neighborhood.
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I don't think he knows what indisputable means.

Trask definitely had a better year.

Someone like Mond there is a legit argument to who was better. They were close.
 
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k-town_king said:
You can make a case. I did acknowledge that. If someone wanted to put him over they would have a good argument. There is a a good argument to put JG higher.

Aren't you the main guy who claimed a nice percentage on a bunch of short passes was not a good thing? That is all Mond did.

Mond 6.9ypa
JG 8.4 ypa

JG had a whole YARD AND A HALF MORE per attempt.

Mond 131 qb rating
JG 144 qb rating

JG did better with the attempts.

So JG had a better rating, ypa, first down%, pass td %, and sack rate.

You can make an argument for either.

Like I said only Trask had a INDISPUTABLY better year PASSING. You can make an argument for Mond. The others that passed as well as well as JG have all graduated. The ones who ran it well like JRP can't pass as well.
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Mond wasn't a very good QB. If you watched him play, you know that.

Even so, he did 4 times last year something JG has never done. He led his O to more than 30 points against a FBS opponent.

SECstatcat is more helpful for comparisons like this. Mond's accuracy % was 8th in the SEC. Not very good and behind guys like Stevens and Franks. JG was 14th in that particular stat... looking up at Nix, Hilinski, Neal, and even Starkel.

Last year you crowed about completion %... not so much now that JG 10th in the SEC. In their adjusted accuracy measure, JG was 11th. They have him 12th in depth adjusted accuracy.... 9th in INT %... 12th in DB break ups.... 13th in uncatchable %.... 2nd worst in time to throw only better than a converted WR....

Mond is bad in most or all of those stats too. Your comparison is between two guys who didn't get the job done very well.
 
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GAVol said:
Not sure you could claim he’s better, but I don’t think it’d be crazy to say he was somewhere in the same neighborhood.
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Mond was a bigger part of his team's O. His O scored more points.

More attempts do not mean stats will extend out. TAM pretty much ran their O through Mond. He accounted for about 3400 yards for them. JG accounted for about 1200 yds less. His "stats" probably get worse if they had depended on him any more than they did.
 
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sjt18 said:
Mond was a bigger part of his team's O. His O scored more points.

More attempts do not mean stats will extend out. TAM pretty much ran their O through Mond. He accounted for about 3400 yards for them. JG accounted for about 1200 yds less. His "stats" probably get worse if they had depended on him any more than they did.
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It’s probably apples and oranges really since JG has so many fewer attempts and we flat sucked at running the ball to help take some of the heat away from the passing game. Just saying the ratios are alike in some ways.
 
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JG is a good young man by all accounts and I wish him the best In life. He is tough inside and out..and deserves our respect as a Vol.

What he is not is a good SEC QB. His record as a starter has got to be the worst, as well as the only QB since before Fulmer to start multiple seasons and have a LOSING record. Let's not even get into his record vs our rivals or ranked opponents. That's just humiliating. The fact that he has NEVER scored 30 points vs the big boys speaks volumes. Never. Ever.

The ceiling for a JG led Vols team is about 8 and 5...and that's with a top 25 defense sadly. He was called out by announcers who were all former FBS QBs last season in 3 DIFFERENT GAMES for always being late with his throws and missing wide open receivers. Announcers are very, very hesitant to be critical of other QBs like that by the way...there is a "fraternity " of QBs if you will...and they tend to protect their own. They simply couldnt stand to watch it anymore without saying something...like every Vol fan watching at home except racist Ktown.

Many posters here have noted that JG will not throw the ball until he SEES a wide open WR. Too late. Also often underthrown, or behind the WR on crossing routes. Terrible accuracy. Contrast that with the best QB in the nation last season...Burrow. When asked about his uncanny 70% plus completion percentage...for the entire season...he said " If the DB doesnt have his head turned around towards me, I consider that receiver open. I will put the ball WHERE HE IS GOING TO BE. " Burrow throws his WR open. Because he knows where they will be by the time his pass arrives, and he was the most accurate QB I have ever seen last year.

Burrow is the complete opposite of JG. In every way. It is hard to comprehend that they even played the same position in the same conference last year. Let's hope that one of the 3 OTHER QBs that were all rated 4 stars or higher can beat out JG in the spring and actually be an accurate passer next year. With just average SEC play by our QB and accurate passing we can win 9 games next season, even if 1 of them is from our bowl game. If we have to start JG again it will be another dogfight to make it to 7 and 5 sadly.

Imagine how well all of the opposing defensive coordinators know about JGs glaring weaknesses? Any rational fan can easily see them...how obvious must it be to SEC experts who are paid stupid money to shut down offenses? I bet they lick their chops before playing us with JG behind center. Like many of you Vol brethren...I am sick and tired of watching him squirm back there. Please Coach sit his butt on the bench where he belongs.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
JG is a good young man by all accounts and I wish him the best In life. He is tough inside and out..and deserves our respect as a Vol.

What he is not is a good SEC QB. His record as a starter has got to be the worst, as well as the only QB since before Fulmer to start multiple seasons and have a LOSING record. Let's not even get into his record vs our rivals or ranked opponents. That's just humiliating. The fact that he has NEVER scored 30 points vs the big boys speaks volumes. Never. Ever.

The ceiling for a JG led Vols team is about 8 and 5...and that's with a top 25 defense sadly. He was called out by announcers who were all former FBS QBs last season in 3 DIFFERENT GAMES for always being late with his throws and missing wide open receivers. Announcers are very, very hesitant to be critical of other QBs like that by the way...there is a "fraternity " of QBs if you will...and they tend to protect their own. They simply couldnt stand to watch it anymore without saying something...like every Vol fan watching at home except racist Ktown.

Many posters here have noted that JG will not throw the ball until he SEES a wide open WR. Too late. Also often underthrown, or behind the WR on crossing routes. Terrible accuracy. Contrast that with the best QB in the nation last season...Burrow. When asked about his uncanny 70% plus completion percentage...for the entire season...he said " If the DB doesnt have his head turned around towards me, I consider that receiver open. I will put the ball WHERE HE IS GOING TO BE. " Burrow throws his WR open. Because he knows where they will be by the time his pass arrives, and he was the most accurate QB I have ever seen last year.

Burrow is the complete opposite of JG. In every way. It is hard to comprehend that they even played the same position in the same conference last year. Let's hope that one of the 3 OTHER QBs that were all rated 4 stars or higher can beat out JG in the spring and actually be an accurate passer next year. With just average SEC play by our QB and accurate passing we can win 9 games next season, even if 1 of them is from our bowl game. If we have to start JG again it will be another dogfight to make it to 7 and 5 sadly.

Imagine how well all of the opposing defensive coordinators know about JGs glaring weaknesses? Any rational fan can easily see them...how obvious must it be to SEC experts who are paid stupid money to shut down offenses? I bet they lick their chops before playing us with JG behind center. Like many of you Vol brethren...I am sick and tired of watching him squirm back there. Please Coach sit his butt on the bench where he belongs.
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How do you or anybody for that matter know that JGs ceiling is 7-5? And then you say we can win 9 with either a True Fr or BM, how do you know that? Whose to say that our defense improves to top 10, our running game gets up to 180/game and JG improves on his deficiencies, I'd think that would be worth a couple of wins. The QB gets way too much credit for wins and losses by this fanbase. You guys seem to forget the '16 and '17 rosters and what they looked like, overall arguably the worst in program history. We've got weaknesses going into next season but with JG, HB and BM at QB I think it's a strength as compared to the rest of the SEC. You neverJG guys also act like experience and toughness don't count for anything which I've always thought was 2 pretty good qualities in a football player playing in the toughest college conference in the country. I think we can legitimately go 2-2 in our big 4 games with JG at QB which may lead to a big 10+ win season. Seems like you think we are going to lose all 4 of our toughest games plus another loss to someone from the lower half of the league which I think is a terrible take on next year's overall team. I bet Pruitt doesn't think like you, I bet the team doesn't think like you and I'll also bet that if healthy JG starts both Games 1 & 2 next season.
 
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